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post #1 of 12
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Hi all.

My first post!

I love my headphones were AT-AD900 which ran through onboard sound of my computer. I upgraded to ASUS DG to finally now STX. Mainly for games, music and video (in that order). I decided to step up to the AD2000 and very happy as the open cans let me hear my wif when she calls.

 

Now with more time on my hands, I want to get into music listening more. I wish for a higher end AT closed cans, tossing up between A5000 or A3000ANV. I wanted to move to externally amplified cans. I was thinking of running from the computer to either a Meier Classic or the Burson 160DS.

 

I am a noob at this but wanting to step up. The music I mainly listen to is classic and electronica. I sometimes pull out Queen, The Beatles or Metalica. Ilook forward to advice on the amps/dac I am fairly set on the AT cans.

post #2 of 12

The one that comes to mind is the ATH-w1000x. This review was using the Ds. 

post #3 of 12
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Thanks for the link.

I was looking at the Burson as they seem to get a good rap here. Though I have heard some negativity about them being harsh compare to the Meier Classic. Plus for the 160DS is that it has a built in DAC. Again conflicting reports back around the 160DS. Skylabs review places the 160D on a pedastel while having nice things to say about the Meier classic it appeared to not rate as well as the concerto.

The dilemma 160DS, 160 headamp or Meier Classic.

post #4 of 12

If you've got an Essence STX and aren't looking to drive certain multi-balanced armature IEMs, you can probably focus more on trying different headphones rather than source gear.  It's just a suggestion, but I'd consider venturing outside of the Audio-Technica lines, since many other companies produce good headphones as well.  If you want to step up, there's a lot more room for improvement with headphones and new music rather than other parts of the signal chain.  Well I guess you can explore vacuum tube-based amps if you really want and prefer to experiment with sounds*** by buying new hardware rather than software controls, but particularly the cheaper OTL types would generally be poor matches with Audio Technicas because of the impedance.

 

***that's experimenting with sounds by degrading them in some sense, arguably in a way that makes them sound better.  It depends on your preferences, but at least in a traditional sense of fidelity, you would have to call that lower fidelity rather than Hi Fi.

 

Here's a review of the Essence STX.  As you can see in the notes, there may be some YMMV as well as YCMV (your computer may vary):

http://www.stereophile.com/content/asus-xonar-essence-ststx-soundcards-measurements

 

Those kinds of figures above are better than a lot of more expensive gear, by the way, and generally they're quite beyond the capability of human hearing to distinguish.  This may not always the be case with some headphones where there are significant interactions because of the STX output impedance.

 

Particularly if you're new to high-end audio, be sure to take any kind of reviews and advice--and I say anybody's, including mine--with a huge grain of salt, for a variety of reasons.  Gear comparisons are rarely done in a systematic fashion and with any proper experimental controls.  Small changes in volume can make for big differences in perception, and people rarely match the volume between two devices or listening sessions when doing comparisons.  Expectation bias is king; people often just hear what they want to hear.  Often times, huge differences that people claim to hear tend to disappear when people don't know what they're listening to.


Edited by mikeaj - 2/10/12 at 9:07pm
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Originally Posted by Masika View Post

Hi all.

My first post!

I love my headphones were AT-AD900 which ran through onboard sound of my computer. I upgraded to ASUS DG to finally now STX. Mainly for games, music and video (in that order). I decided to step up to the AD2000 and very happy as the open cans let me hear my wif when she calls.

 

Now with more time on my hands, I want to get into music listening more. I wish for a higher end AT closed cans, tossing up between A5000 or A3000ANV. I wanted to move to externally amplified cans. I was thinking of running from the computer to either a Meier Classic or the Burson 160DS.

 

I am a noob at this but wanting to step up. The music I mainly listen to is classic and electronica. I sometimes pull out Queen, The Beatles or Metalica. Ilook forward to advice on the amps/dac I am fairly set on the AT cans.


I don't have experience with the Meier Classic nor Burson 160DS but being a AT fan myself (after listening to many headphones out there) I would highly recommend the Yamamoto HA-02, HA5000 or similar series amplifiers, the reason is that the synergy between AT headphones are fantastic. Since I am a proud owner of the HA5000 amp I can say with confidence that it drives my W5000, ESW9's perfectly, giving gradual volume control and never over powering the sound, just gentle and smooth. Another point is if your wallet permits, I would strongly recommend purchasing your external DAC and amp separately, since ultimately this will improve sound performance, especially when going to high-end headphones. Good luck in your quest.

 

post #6 of 12
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I know I can access the H02 here in Australia but too much for me ATM. Particularly after purchasing the W3000ANV!.

 

I am considering the cheap AT-HA20 as my first Amp.

post #7 of 12
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I do not think I could stomach the blue LEDs of he HA-20. After reading a part if me really wants to get the Burson amp/dac. I see that the DA-160 has made improvements of the DAC in 160D. The 160DS has an improved amp but uses the same DAC as the 160D!

 

I am not sure if I should get a separate DAC and AMP or a combined unit.

 

I am siding to a combined unit as I will not be frequently up grading. The flexibility of the DA-160 and warmer qualities is what is making my decision harder.

 

post #8 of 12
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Ok. The wife will probably shoot me...

I will go Burson! They are cheap here. After reading and correspondence with Burson Audio I reall feel moved towards the DA-160. So for just under $1300 AUD I can get the HA DA 160 units.  Just under $1100 the 160D and just under $900 the 160DS.

 

Is it worth the extra to get the two separate units?

post #9 of 12

Two separate units will allow you to mix and match DAC and amp more easily in the future if the combination doesn't suit your tastes. 

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Two separate units will allow you to mix and match DAC and amp more easily in the future 



This ^

But, if space is an issue you can go Dac/Amp combo. 

post #11 of 12
Thread Starter 

I decided to go separate! 

I ordered!

post #12 of 12
Thread Starter 

Okay.

Now I need to decide what cable between the dac and ha. Any recommendations for between the Burson?

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