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post #616 of 5306
Thread Starter 

The problem with the E17 is more than just the power requirement I think, since it didn't work for me via a powered hub either.

post #617 of 5306
Per DanBa, the problem is with the E17's USB port not being entirely to spec. However, there is at least one example of an Android phone working with it using only the SPDIF input (Meizu MX quad core). I'm willing to bet that can be repeated with the S3, but right now the most elegant solution to use an E17 is the hackshop OTG cable, tiny USB-SPDIF adapter, and a short coaxial cable from that and into the E17. I'm hunting now for someone who can make a custom single cable solution to do exactly.
post #618 of 5306

There are at least two USB DAC, working with the S3, which can act as USB - SPDIF adapter:.

 

S3 > digital USB audio out >> USB OTG cable >> Asus Xonar U3 or Syba SD-AUD20101 > digital SPDIF out >> optical cable >> FiiO E17 as SPDIF DAC/amp >> headphones

 

 

Concerning the S3 – E17 non-interworking, there is a buggy FiiO E17 interface descriptor numbering.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/105#post_8497586

 

According to the USB specifications, “interfaces are numbered from zero to one less than the number of concurrent interfaces supported by the configuration”.

 

The three interface descriptors of the E17 are the following:

. interface descriptor number 0: Human Interface Device

. interface descriptor number 1: Audio Control

. interface descriptor number 3: Audio Streaming

 

This latter should have the number 2.

 

S3 dmesg log output:

<4>[ 1040.806786] c0 usb 2-1: config 1 has an invalid interface number: 3 but max is 2

<4>[ 1040.806910] c0 usb 2-1: config 1 has no interface number 2

 

 

There is an equivalent issue with a Teac USB DAC:

http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.alsa.devel/96433

 

"Which doesn't prevent Teac from writing buggy firmware.

> $ dmesg

> usb 2-4: config 1 has an invalid interface number: 3 but max is 2

> usb 2-4: config 1 has no interface number 1

 

> The USB audio driver actually just uses functions from the USB driver

> core to access the interface association. However, the USB core didn't

> assign it during its probe, which is most probably a result of the

> broken descriptor set.

 

And it turned out it is.

 

Ben, can you try the patch (of the link) below, please? It's a pretty obvious flaw in the USB core system which is triggered by buggy descriptors."

http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.alsa.devel/98243

 

 

Archos G9 can interwork with E17.

And at least drivers/usb/core/message.c of Archos G9 and the one of S3 are different, slightly different.

https://gitorious.org/archos/archos-gpl-gen9-kernel-ics/blobs/master/drivers/usb/core/message.c

https://github.com/sgs3/GT-I9300_Kernel/blob/master/drivers/usb/core/message.c

 

 

Apparently, a custom S3 can work with a E17 according to the following topic:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/R1UFZGEPXQ5FHN

 

 

Also the E17 has some issue with the stock Windows driver:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/615404/downloading-and-installation-guide-for-fiio-e17-asio-driver-the-beta-version#post_8483634

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by feiao View Post

OK, the main reason that we release the ASIO driver is that some user complained about that the E17 can not work in their PC/laptop, so ASIO is a option for them to make the E17 work. 

 

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A list of standard USB DAC reportedly interworking with the Android-powered smartphone Samsung Galaxy Note II:

 

stock Galaxy Note II > digital USB audio out >> USB OTG cable (micro-A plug inserted in the Note II) >> standard USB DAC >> amp >> headphones

 

. FiiO E7 (USB DAC/amp):

http://www.headfonia.com/fiio-e7-portable-dac/

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/480#post_8771744

 

. HeadAmp Pico (USB DAC/amp): (via USB 2.0 hub)

http://www.headamp.com/pico/pico_dac_amp/index.htm

http://www.head-fi.org/t/625054/samsung-galaxy-note-2/30#post_8774905

 

. iBasso D12 (USB DAC/amp):

http://www.ibasso.com/en/products/show.asp?ID=63

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/405#post_8750862

 

. Leckerton UHA-6S MKII (USB DAC/amp):

http://www.leckertonaudio.com/products/uha-6s-mkii/

http://www.head-fi.org/t/625054/samsung-galaxy-note-2/30#post_8777791

 

. Objective DAC (ODAC):

http://epiphany-acoustics.co.uk/our-products/e-dac-24bit-miniature-usb-dac/

http://www.jdslabs.com/item.php?fetchitem=46

http://www.headnhifi.com/index.php/shop/objective/odac

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/435#post_8758515

 

. ODAC+O2 (USB DAC/amp):

http://epiphany-acoustics.co.uk/our-products/ehp-o2d-miniature-desktop-headphone-amplifier-with-usb-dac/

http://www.jdslabs.com/item.php?fetchitem=48

http://www.headnhifi.com/index.php/shop/objective/o2120527192048

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/435#post_8758515

 

. Sony PHA-1 (USB DAC/amp):

http://www.touchmyapps.com/2012/10/09/sony-pha-1-idevice-dac-and-headphone-amp-in-review/

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/465#post_8769593

 

. VentureCraft Go-Dap X (USB DAC/amp):

http://venturecraft.jp/gadget_en/index.php

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/465#post_8769593

 

 

Bold: new addition to the list

 

So far, like the quad-core Exynos powered Galaxy S III, the new quad-core Exynos powered Samsung Galaxy Note II can work with the FiiO E7, the iBasso D12, Leckerton UHA-6S MKII, the ODAC and the VentureCraft Go-Dap X; has some issue with the HeadAmp Pico; and doesn’t work with the FiiO E17.

 

So, in regard to standard USB audio, the behaviour of the Galaxy Note II is likely identical to the behaviour of the Galaxy SIII.

 

 

 

A list of standard USB DAC reportedly interworking with the Android-powered smartphone Samsung Galaxy S III:

 

stock Samsung Galaxy S III > digital USB audio out >> USB OTG cable (micro-A plug inserted in the S III) >> standard USB DAC >> amp >> headphones

 

. AMB Gamma 1:

http://www.amb.org/audio/gamma1/

http://www.head-fi.org/t/608535/wolfson-dac-confirmed-for-galaxy-s3/780#post_8750043

 

. AMB Gamma 2:

http://www.amb.org/audio/gamma2/

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=27247705&postcount=279

 

. Apex Glacier (USB DAC/amp):

http://www.ttvjaudio.com/Apex_High_Fi_Audio_Glacier_portable_headphone_amp_p/aaa0000010.htm

http://www.head-fi.org/t/608535/wolfson-dac-confirmed-for-galaxy-s3/825#post_8776449

 

. Asus Xonar U3 (USB DAC/amp):

http://www.asus.com/Multimedia/Audio_Cards/Xonar_U3/

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/429589-Samsung-Galaxy-S3?s=1a313fae4795a9a7493a6ce0f677ca8e&p=8551119&viewfull=1#post8551119

 

. Behringer UCA202 (USB DAC/amp):

http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/UCA202.aspx

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/240#post_8654226

 

. Behringer UCA222 (USB DAC/amp):

http://www.behringer.com/en/Products/UCA222.aspx

http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f6-dac-digital-analog-conversion/usb-audio-enabled-android-powered-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-12338/#post171651

 

. Beresford Caiman:

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/audio-visual/hi-fi-and-audio/hi-fi-accessories/beresford-caiman-673787/review

http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f6-dac-digital-analog-conversion/usb-audio-enabled-android-powered-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-12338/#post171651

 

. C-Media chipset-based sound card Dynamode 7 channel USB 2.0 (USB DAC/amp):

http://www.chinacomputerparts.com/d-p1140199199635616900-cables/

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=27604946&postcount=449

 

. Cakewalk Sonar SPS 25:

https://www.cakewalk.com/support/kb/reader.aspx/2007013101

http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f6-dac-digital-analog-conversion/usb-audio-enabled-android-powered-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-12338/#post171651

 

. Corsair HS1 Gaming headset (USB DAC/amp/headphones):

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3989/corsair-hs1-gaming-headset

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=27238117#post27238117

 

. FiiO E7 (USB DAC/amp):

http://www.headfonia.com/fiio-e7-portable-dac/

http://www.androidnz.net/2012/07/galaxy-s-iii-real-user-review-part-2.html

 

. Furutech ADL Cruise (USB DAC/amp):

http://www.furutech.com/a2008/product2.asp?prodNo=399

http://www.head-fi.org/t/608535/wolfson-dac-confirmed-for-galaxy-s3/585#post_8567838

 

. GoVibe DAC:

http://jaben.net/forums/index.php?topic=2824.0

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2440879&st=500&p=53317360&#entry53317360

 

. GoVibe Mini USB DAC:

http://www.jaben.com.au/collections/go-vibe/products/govibe-minidac

http://www.head-fi.org/t/614111/finally-digital-out-for-galaxy-siii/15#post_8525675

 

. GoVibe Petite (USB DAC/amp):

http://www.head-fi.org/t/290711/govibe-petite-dac-amp-appreciation-thread-pics-little-update

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs-how-to-increase-the-issues-priority-with-google/195#post_8552452

 

. HRT HeadStreamer (USB DAC/amp):

http://highresolutiontechnologies.com/headstreamer

http://www.head-fi.org/t/608535/wolfson-dac-confirmed-for-galaxy-s3/750#post_8677483

 

. HRT Music Streamer II:

http://highresolutiontechnologies.com/music-streamer-ii

http://www.head-fi.org/t/608535/wolfson-dac-confirmed-for-galaxy-s3/465#post_8534856

 

. HeadAmp Pico (USB DAC/amp): (Exynos-based S III connected to Pico via USB 2.0 hub)

http://www.headamp.com/pico/pico_dac_amp/index.htm

http://www.head-fi.org/t/608535/wolfson-dac-confirmed-for-galaxy-s3/480#post_8539705

http://www.head-fi.org/t/608535/wolfson-dac-confirmed-for-galaxy-s3/750#post_8688938

http://www.head-fi.org/t/608535/wolfson-dac-confirmed-for-galaxy-s3/720#post_8638606

 

. HeadRoom Total BitHead (USB DAC/amp):

http://www.headphone.com/learning-center/bithead-faq.php

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs-how-to-increase-the-issues-priority-with-google/135#post_8527516

 

. HeadStage USB DAC cable:

http://www.inearmatters.net/2010/04/short-review-headstage-usb-dac-cable.html

http://www.headphiles.org/index.php/topic,4452.msg241979.html#msg241979

 

. HiFiMan Express HM-101:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/571330/hifiman-express-brand-and-hm-101-portable-usb-dac

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=27284184&postcount=291

 

. iBasso D-Zero (USB DAC/amp):

http://www.ibasso.com/en/products/show.asp?ID=73

http://neutronmp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=314&start=20#p1636

 

. iBasso D2 Boa (USB DAC/amp):

http://www.ibasso.com/en/products/show.asp?ID=30

http://www.head-fi.org/t/552014/pictures-of-your-portable-rig-part-xv/5535#post_8509186

 

. iBasso D2+ Boa (USB DAC/amp):

http://www.ibasso.com/en/products/show.asp?ID=42

http://www.computeraudiophile.com/f6-dac-digital-analog-conversion/usb-audio-enabled-android-powered-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-12338/#post171651

 

. iBasso D5 (USB DAC/amp):

http://www.head-fi.org/t/556490/ibasso-d5-hj-yet-another-usb-dac-amp

http://www.head-fi.org/t/614111/finally-digital-out-for-galaxy-siii#post_8462693

 

. iBasso D10 (USB DAC/amp):

http://www.ibasso.com/en/products/show.asp?ID=39

http://www.head-fi.org/t/628374/samsung-galaxy-s3-to-dac-usb-micro-b-male-to-mini-b-male#post_8735134

 

. iBasso D12 (USB DAC/amp):

http://www.ibasso.com/en/products/show.asp?ID=63

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=29069294&postcount=924

 

. iQube v2 (USB DAC/amp):

http://www.i-qube.nl/index.php?id=24

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?s=6fe26080d10769d0f785157c83e74465&p=31207282&postcount=1268

 

. JH Audio JH-3A (USB DSP/DAC/amp/JH16 CIEM):

http://www.jhaudio.com/product/jh-3a-dsp-amp-jh16-pro-custom-ear-monitor

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/585#post_8799910

 

. Jabra GN 5035 (USB headset):

http://reviews.cnet.com/headsets/jabra-gn5035-headset/4505-13831_7-32462996.html

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=33203364&postcount=1368

 

. KingRex UD-01:

http://www.kingrex.co.uk/dac.html

https://www.facebook.com/headfonia/posts/352787358128700

 

. Leckerton UHA-4 (USB DAC/amp):

http://www.leckertonaudio.com/products/uha-4/

http://www.head-fi.org/t/536982/leckerton-audio-slimline-uha-4/1020#post_8773152

 

. Leckerton UHA-6S MKII (USB DAC/amp):

http://www.leckertonaudio.com/products/uha-6s-mkii/

http://www.head-fi.org/t/602493/new-leckerton-uha-6s-mkii-portable-headphone-amplifier-announced-update-user-impressions-added-july-20th-2012/435#post_8698006

 

. M-Audio Duo USB Audio Interface:

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct02/articles/maudio.asp

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/540#post_8788814

 

. Matrix Mini-i (USB DAC/amp):

http://www.headfonia.com/matrix-mini-i-balanced-dac/

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/465#post_8768166

 

. Microsoft Philips Digital Sound System 80 (USB DAC/amp/speakers):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Sound_System_80

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1703218

 

. Microsoft LifeChat LX-3000 (USB headset):

http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-au/p/lifechat-lx-3000/JUG-00003

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32899845&postcount=1355

 

. NuForce Icon HDP (USB DAC/amp):

http://www.nuforce.com/hp/products/iconhdp/index.php

http://www.head-fi.org/t/608535/wolfson-dac-confirmed-for-galaxy-s3/585#post_8567838

 

. NuForce Icon Mobile (USB DAC/amp):

http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/nuforce10/mobile.html

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/435#post_8759826

 

. Objective DAC (ODAC):

http://epiphany-acoustics.co.uk/our-products/e-dac-24bit-miniature-usb-dac/

http://www.jdslabs.com/item.php?fetchitem=46

http://www.headnhifi.com/index.php/shop/objective/odac

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/315#post_8707637

 

. ODAC+O2 (USB DAC/amp):

http://epiphany-acoustics.co.uk/our-products/ehp-o2d-miniature-desktop-headphone-amplifier-with-usb-dac/

http://www.jdslabs.com/item.php?fetchitem=48

http://www.headnhifi.com/index.php/shop/objective/o2120527192048

http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=410941392302962&id=164588276945555

 

. Ordnance .25 (USB DAC/amp):

http://jaben.net/forums/index.php?topic=9984.0

http://www.head-fi.org/t/614111/finally-digital-out-for-galaxy-siii#post_8462693

 

. RSA Intruder (USB DAC/amp):

http://www.raysamuelsaudio.com/products/intruder

http://www.head-fi.org/t/627080/new-balanced-portable-amp-from-rsa-w-dac/30#post_8781567

 

. RSA Predator (USB DAC/amp):

http://www.raysamuelsaudio.com/products/predator

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/150#post_8538933

 

. Stoner Acoustics UD100:

http://stoneracoustics.blogspot.fr/

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2452730&st=160&p=54596977&#entry54596977

 

. Syba SD-AUD20101: (optical S/PFIF capable)

http://www.sybausa.com/productInfo.php?iid=1191

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/375#post_8736082

 

. Topping D1 Mark 2 (USB DAC/amp):

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&langpair=zh-TW%7Cen&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&u=http://www.tpdz.net/produce.asp%3Fid%3D25&usg=ALkJrhhte1Q6A1NnVWodszs9J4x85vGfDg

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=28673076&postcount=871

 

. Topping D2 (USB DAC/amp):

http://www.mightybigword.com/tnt/2012/03/topping-d2-dac-review/

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32920194&postcount=1357

 

. Topping TP30 (USB DAC/amp):

http://news.cnet.com/8300-5_3-0.html?keyword=Topping+TP-30

http://www.androidnz.net/2012/05/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-usb-audio.html

 

. VentureCraft Go-Dap X (USB DAC/amp):

http://venturecraft.jp/gadget_jp/gdx.php

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/315#post_8708233

 

. xDuoo XP-1 (USB DAC/amp):

http://translate.google.fr/translate?hl=fr&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xduoo.com%2Fxduoo%2FProductShow.asp%3FID%3D47

http://translate.google.fr/translate?tl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://www.erji.net/read.php%3Ftid%3D1320392%26page%3De&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dxduoo%2Busb%2Bdac%26hl%3Dfr%26biw%3D910%26bih%3D436%26prmd%3Dimvns&sa=X&ei=4GxdUKTrIaal0AXmr4HoDQ&sqi=2&ved=0CCcQ7gEwAA

 

 

Bold: new addition to the list

post #620 of 5306

Any of the SIII units will most likely work with the Note II, right? I'll be getting a Note II very soon. Anyone comment on a good bang/buck deal in the list?  I'm going to be in heaven when it's  Zune-->Note-->amp--> earphones. Should be a really easy set-up once zune comes to android

post #621 of 5306

I've been listening to the HRT Headstreamer almost every day for last several weeks, and I'm blown away by how good it is.  Only its noise floor sounds like that of a budget device.  And with an 11 dollar resister adapter, noise is a non issue.  It's actually the first portable device I've heard in the past four years that I'd put ahead of the Pico DAC/Amp.  While I'm not convinced that it's necessarily more detailed than the Pico, it definitely makes detail easier to catch with it's deep, spacious sound stage.  The separation of sounds in a mix reaches a level I hadn't previously heard from a portable.  This is all remarkable for a $130 device and an $11 accessory.  As good is the HRT unit is, here's to hoping that the Audioquest Bumblebee will be even better.

post #622 of 5306

I took a macro photo for comparison sake:

 

1000

post #623 of 5306
Thread Starter 

Responded to you in the other thread - yes, that looks like a 5-pin USB OTG connector there. You can confirm my inserting it into the S3, you should see a notification that the system has recognised an USB OTG connector has been connected.

post #624 of 5306

Please take note that these cables will not work with dac/amp and S3/Note 2

 

 

 

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/632019/apex-glacier-amp-dac-review-and-appreciation-thread/60#post_8810609

post #625 of 5306
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tamz View Post

I am very delighted to say that I'm currently listening to JH3A with my galaxy S3's usb output.
Fark yeahhh

What cable are you using and is it direct phone>cable>amp?

post #626 of 5306
Quote:
Originally Posted by turokrocks View Post

Please take note that these cables will not work with dac/amp and S3/Note 2





http://www.head-fi.org/t/632019/apex-glacier-amp-dac-review-and-appreciation-thread/60#post_8810609

What about the hakshop one? Does that one work?
post #627 of 5306
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zachchen1996 View Post


What about the hakshop one? Does that one work?

 

It *should* work, since one end is definitely meant to be a USB OTG connector. I have one ordered, hopefully arrive next week and then I can confirm.

post #628 of 5306
Quote:
Originally Posted by NZtechfreak View Post

 

It *should* work, since one end is definitely meant to be a USB OTG connector. I have one ordered, hopefully arrive next week and then I can confirm.

 

 

couldn't wait, ordered also!!!

post #629 of 5306

Samsung Galaxy s3 doesn't work with my Cambridge Audio Dac Magic Plus via the OTG cable. I have Android 4.0.4 on the s3. Do you think an upgrade to  Jelly Bean would help?

post #630 of 5306
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gabor View Post

Samsung Galaxy s3 doesn't work with my Cambridge Audio Dac Magic Plus via the OTG cable. I have Android 4.0.4 on the s3. Do you think an upgrade to  Jelly Bean would help?

Unlikely, Jelly Bean hasn't changed any of the S3s USB audio performanceas far as I'm aware. Have you tried with a powered hub?
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