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post #3631 of 5925
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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post

Anandtech just posted an article showing the Nexus 5 having a THD of 15% in the left channel at max volume. All the more reason for a USB DAC, or not running at max volume.


Although as an owner of the phone it's not so good, it's always nice to get empirical evidence backing up my subjective opinion that it was godawful sound quality.

 

Note how he observes that the worst distortion is at the highest volume settings. Well, the headphone amp is so quiet and underpowered that you need to max it out or even boost the volume with a custom kernel to achieve normal listening levels! The distortion is unavoidable.

post #3632 of 5925
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Originally Posted by prozach1576 View Post
 


Although as an owner of the phone it's not so good, it's always nice to get empirical evidence backing up my subjective opinion that it was godawful sound quality.

 

Note how he observes that the worst distortion is at the highest volume settings. Well, the headphone amp is so quiet and underpowered that you need to max it out or even boost the volume with a custom kernel to achieve normal listening levels! The distortion is unavoidable.

Update 4.4.1 fixes the low sound issue on the speaker, but I'm not sure if it boosted the headphone gain. Either way, it doesn't seem like it would help the THD numbers.

post #3633 of 5925
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Originally Posted by skingg View Post
 

 

You mean to say your Fiio E17 was not working pre 4.3 update, which was 4.1.2?

 

Yup, the E17+GS3(SGH-i747m)+android 4.1.2 didn't work with stock Samsung music player nor PowerAmp.  UARP did work with that combo.  After the 4.3 update the E17 works with the stock music player & PowerAmp.  My original post is below:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/3510#post_10013847

post #3634 of 5925
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Originally Posted by elcubano1 View Post
 

What cable are you using? Link please.

Thanks

I wish I could give you a link.  This is a custom made cable though, and I'm not aware of anything similar for sale anywhere.

post #3635 of 5925
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Originally Posted by AvroArrow View Post
 

 

Yup, the E17+GS3(SGH-i747m)+android 4.1.2 didn't work with stock Samsung music player nor PowerAmp.  UARP did work with that combo.  After the 4.3 update the E17 works with the stock music player & PowerAmp.  My original post is below:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/3510#post_10013847

 

Thank you. I'm coming from a stock sammy 4.1.2 rom+custom kernel (I9300-GT)  and still in the mist of deciding between the Fiio E18 and JDS Labs C5D due to compatibility questions. For your E17 to work on your S3, do you by chance need to have Settings > Accessory >  Audio Output Mode (use external speakers when device is docked) checked?

post #3636 of 5925

Speaking of the iBasso D-Zero SE, does anyone know if its possible to get them here in the states yet?

post #3637 of 5925
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Originally Posted by skingg View Post
 

 

Thank you. I'm coming from a stock sammy 4.1.2 rom+custom kernel (I9300-GT)  and still in the mist of deciding between the Fiio E18 and JDS Labs C5D due to compatibility questions. For your E17 to work on your S3, do you by chance need to have Settings > Accessory >  Audio Output Mode (use external speakers when device is docked) checked?

I'm not sure if it behaves differently on an i9300 since it is technically different hardware (diff CPU and DAC) than the i747m.  The 4.3 update also moved that setting, it's now: Settings> My Device> Accessory> Audio output mode.  And yes that setting needs to be TICKED because when I unticked it, audio came out from the onboard speaker and I had to unplug and replug the E17 to get sound through it again.  Audio output is also limited to 16/44 with native player and PowerAmp.  You need to use UARP to get 24/96 output through USB OTG.  I have no clue whether the E18 will work with a GS3 with 4.3 and I think it would be best to ask in the E18 thread.  From what I recall, Fiio was having compatibility issues with the different Galaxy phones depending on Android version during their development.  They list the GS3 as compatible, but I suspect that testing was done with 4.1.2 and not 4.3 because it was so recently released.  And jumping from 4.1.2 to 4.3 made a previously non-working E17 work for me.  The reverse could also be true for the E18, but I don't have any data confirm or deny that.  Best bet is to check that other thread or email Fiio and JDS Labs directly to confirm before buying.

 

Just finished updating my Nexus 7 2013 to 4.4.2, no change in behavior from before, updated my previous post here:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/3615#post_10046022


Edited by AvroArrow - 12/9/13 at 8:21pm
post #3638 of 5925
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Originally Posted by AvroArrow View Post
 

I'm not sure if it behaves differently on an i9300 since it is technically different hardware (diff CPU and DAC) than the i747m.  The 4.3 update also moved that setting, it's now: Settings> My Device> Accessory> Audio output mode.  And yes that setting needs to be TICKED because when I unticked it, audio came out from the onboard speaker and I had to unplug and replug the E17 to get sound through it again.  Audio output is also limited to 16/44 with native player and PowerAmp.  You need to use UARP to get 24/96 output through USB OTG.  I have no clue whether the E18 will work with a GS3 with 4.3 and I think it would be best to ask in the E18 thread.  From what I recall, Fiio was having compatibility issues with the different Galaxy phones depending on Android version during their development.  They list the GS3 as compatible, but I suspect that testing was done with 4.1.2 and not 4.3 because it was so recently released.  And jumping from 4.1.2 to 4.3 made a previously non-working E17 work for me.  The reverse could also be true for the E18, but I don't have any data confirm or deny that.  Best bet is to check that other thread or email Fiio and JDS Labs directly to confirm before buying.

 

Just finished updating my Nexus 7 2013 to 4.4.2, no change in behavior from before, updated my previous post here:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/3615#post_10046022

 

I've asked on their respective threads and also emailed directly to JDS Labs aswell but I haven't had a definite answer to them yet :P 

 

My bad for asking this but what's an UARP? 

post #3639 of 5925
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Originally Posted by skingg View Post
 

I've asked on their respective threads and also emailed directly to JDS Labs aswell but I haven't had a definite answer to them yet :P 

 

My bad for asking this but what's an UARP? 

USB Audio Recorder Pro on the Google play store.  The author is eXtream who sometimes posts in this thread.  It's a USB recorder app that happens to play FLACs (no MP3s though) that doesn't use the phone's stock USB audio driver, he wrote his own driver so that's why it works on a lot of devices that USB DACs don't usually work on, assuming the device has proper USB OTG support (so Nexus 4 owners are SOL).  He is in the process of coding a new USB Audio Player Pro (UAPP) app that is a proper music player app that uses his special driver.  I believe he said that he was trying to get a beta version out for testing sometime in December.  

post #3640 of 5925
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Originally Posted by AvroArrow View Post
 

USB Audio Recorder Pro on the Google play store.  The author is eXtream who sometimes posts in this thread.  It's a USB recorder app that happens to play FLACs (no MP3s though) that doesn't use the phone's stock USB audio driver, he wrote his own driver so that's why it works on a lot of devices that USB DACs don't usually work on, assuming the device has proper USB OTG support (so Nexus 4 owners are SOL).  He is in the process of coding a new USB Audio Player Pro (UAPP) app that is a proper music player app that uses his special driver.  I believe he said that he was trying to get a beta version out for testing sometime in December.  

 

I'm using Neutron Music Player by the way and to my understanding is if I want to play any FLAC above 16/44 it has to be played on UARP and output through the USB OTG cable. Thanks, I'll keep a lookout on the app once I have decided which portable amp+dac I'll be getting. 

post #3641 of 5925
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Originally Posted by AvroArrow View Post

USB Audio Recorder Pro on the Google play store.  The author is eXtream who sometimes posts in this thread.  It's a USB recorder app that happens to play FLACs (no MP3s though) that doesn't use the phone's stock USB audio driver, he wrote his own driver so that's why it works on a lot of devices that USB DACs don't usually work on, assuming the device has proper USB OTG support (so Nexus 4 owners are SOL).  He is in the process of coding a new USB Audio Player Pro (UAPP) app that is a proper music player app that uses his special driver.  I believe he said that he was trying to get a beta version out for testing sometime in December.  
I have been watching the play store like a hawk for this
post #3642 of 5925
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Originally Posted by AvroArrow View Post
 

USB Audio Recorder Pro on the Google play store.  The author is eXtream who sometimes posts in this thread.  It's a USB recorder app that happens to play FLACs (no MP3s though) that doesn't use the phone's stock USB audio driver, he wrote his own driver so that's why it works on a lot of devices that USB DACs don't usually work on, assuming the device has proper USB OTG support (so Nexus 4 owners are SOL).  He is in the process of coding a new USB Audio Player Pro (UAPP) app that is a proper music player app that uses his special driver.  I believe he said that he was trying to get a beta version out for testing sometime in December.  

i assume the player would not play mp3 like UARP?

post #3643 of 5925
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Originally Posted by eXtream View Post
 

Cool stuff, now playing mp3's in the background (screen switched off) using UAPP. :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by eXtream View Post
 

 

There is likely going to be a public beta to gather as much bug reports as possible before release. I am now trying to get Android's MediaCodec to work for all things other than wav/flac/ogg/mp3, like m4a and whatever your device supports. Probably not so important for HiFi, but anyway.

 

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Originally Posted by imeem View Post
 

i assume the player would not play mp3 like UARP?

 

It will play MP3s and such, which is the whole point of a Player app instead of a recorder app.  More of his replies can be found on page 237 of this thread.

post #3644 of 5925

This is the Schiit. Bifrost Uber. http://www.amazon.com/Bifrost-Uber-Digital-Analog-Convertor/dp/B00DV38SZM

 

They state:

  • USB 2.0, 24/192, Async, Completely Buzzword Compliant
 Have high-res music? No problem. Bifrost offers a full range of inputs: Coaxial and optical SPDIF, as well as USB. Bifrost's USB features a high-speed Gen 2 USB 2.0 interface and asynchronous data transfer to 24/192, including 24/176. No drivers are required for Macs and popular Linux distros like Ubuntu, and Windows drivers are downloadable for Windows 8, 7, Vista, and XP.

 

But I am not sure it supports USB OTG out of an Android phone. Anyone?

post #3645 of 5925
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Originally Posted by Toe Tag View Post

This is the Schiit. Bifrost Uber. http://www.amazon.com/Bifrost-Uber-Digital-Analog-Convertor/dp/B00DV38SZM

 

They state:

  • USB 2.0, 24/192, Async, Completely Buzzword Compliant
 Have high-res music? No problem. Bifrost offers a full range of inputs: Coaxial and optical SPDIF, as well as USB. Bifrost's USB features a high-speed Gen 2 USB 2.0 interface and asynchronous data transfer to 24/192, including 24/176. No drivers are required for Macs and popular Linux distros like Ubuntu, and Windows drivers are downloadable for Windows 8, 7, Vista, and XP.

 

But I am not sure it supports USB OTG out of an Android phone. Anyone?


It is not Bifrost that must support USB OTG, it's the phone! For the DAC, it makes no difference what the source is. BUT! There is a very high probability that Bifrost would only work with UARP/UAPP, as it is a USB Audio Class 2 device, which is not supported even by phones, natively supporting USB audio out, like S3.


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