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post #1621 of 5306
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Originally Posted by DanBa View Post


If the HRT microStreamer can interwork with an Android smartphone, the best sound quality should be get when a HRT microStreamer, like a PC, is powered by an external battery thanks to a clean 5V power.
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/165#post_8540151
http://www.head-fi.org/t/595071/android-phones-and-usb-dacs/1545#post_9107016

Thanks for your answer, but do you need and external battery when you connect noise isolating earphone like ue700 or 900? Or is it made for big headphones?
Do you know where I could buy an external battery and the approptiate usb cable ?
post #1622 of 5306
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Originally Posted by cedou97yon View Post

Hi Breadvan, I was hoping to find someone who did use this with a smartphone to give me some advice, I'm interested in this microstreamer. can you tell me more about the effect on your phone battery when you use it? Do you use an Y usb cable with another battery? Which one? Is there a real enhencement compare to your note II 's Dac ?even without the add of an external battery? And what headphone do you use it with? I would like to use it with an xperia Z maybe when i'll get it.

Replied you through the Sonic Satori thread.
post #1623 of 5306

Today's Woot! is refurb Galaxy Note 10.1's and they're about $100 off normal price.  It's been a while since I've seen anything about them in this thread, does anyone know if they have the DAC support that the SIII and Note 2 do?

post #1624 of 5306
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Originally Posted by hypertek View Post

Ok guys, I got my galaxy S3 sorted out (swapped the used motherboard I scored on ebay), and got it working great.. flashed with cleanrom 5.6

 

Now This time I did not flash a custom kernal, and playback is absolutely perfect. I am using poweramp (worth the purchase, seems like the best music player for android).

No custom configurations or setup needed, just plug right in and the phone sets itself up. 

 

I will not ever touch fast charge, since that killed my old motherboard. 

Which S3 / ROM / DAC?

 

I have a US Galaxy S3 (i747), using liquid smooth, assuming it's the stock kernel since I don't think liquid smooth comes with a kernel, flashed the norris audio patcher, ran usb audio pro (no other music player got audio out via usb) trial, and it does work, but glitchy choppy audio into a Fiio E17 via usb otg cable.

 

There's gotta be some hope somewhere that the US S3 -> otg -> e17 should work via software changes since this setup does output some audio (not very good quality yet though)

post #1625 of 5306
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Originally Posted by cedou97yon View Post

Thanks for your answer, but do you need and external battery when you connect noise isolating earphone like ue700 or 900? Or is it made for big headphones?
Do you know where I could buy an external battery and the approptiate usb cable ?

 

Unlike the HRT microStreamer’s amp, my Neco Soundlab V3 portable amp is self-powered.
 
Like the HRT microStreamer’s USB DAC, my ODAC is bus-powered. 
When connecting the ODAC to the smartphone via a Belkin self-powered USB hub, the power to the ODAC is no more supplied by the smartphone, but by an external power supply: external battery or mains power adapter.
 
smartphone >> USB OTG cable adapter + USB cable provided by the USB hub manufacturer >> USB hub >> USB cable provided by the USB DAC manufacturer >> USB DAC
 
smartphone >> micro-A plug to standard-A receptacle USB OTG cable adapter + standard-A plug to mini-B plug USB cable provided by Belkin >> Belkin 4-port USB 2.0 hub >> standard-A plug to mini-B plug USB cable provided by the ODAC "manufacturer" >> ODAC
 
USB hub << power cable << mains power adapter
or
USB hub << power cable << Veho Pebble USB battery
post #1626 of 5306
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Originally Posted by thoughtcriminal View Post

Anyone know if USB audio works when video is being run through HDMI out? Please help me justify an external DAC/amp. My fathers home theatre system doesn't do hdmi sound so if it works I have a perfectly logical reason for spending the money on head-fi gear

 

I'd also appreciate an answer to this. Right now, I'd probably only bother buying a mini HDMI to HDMI solution (and a subsequent HDMI switcher for the monitor) to use with my android device so I can watch HD music videos on an external monitor. However, since the audio quality is top notch, I'd still rather use an external USB DAC for the audio. Can one use an external USB DAC (audio) & HDMI (video only) simultaneously?

 

Thanks

post #1627 of 5306
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Originally Posted by DanBa View Post

 

Unlike the HRT microStreamer’s amp, my Neco Soundlab V3 portable amp is self-powered.
 
Like the HRT microStreamer’s USB DAC, my ODAC is bus-powered. 
When connecting the ODAC to the smartphone via a Belkin self-powered USB hub, the power to the ODAC is no more supplied by the smartphone, but by an external power supply: external battery or mains power adapter.
 
smartphone >> USB OTG cable adapter + USB cable provided by the USB hub manufacturer >> USB hub >> USB cable provided by the USB DAC manufacturer >> USB DAC
 
smartphone >> micro-A plug to standard-A receptacle USB OTG cable adapter + standard-A plug to mini-B plug USB cable provided by Belkin >> Belkin 4-port USB 2.0 hub >> standard-A plug to mini-B plug USB cable provided by the ODAC "manufacturer" >> ODAC
 
USB hub << power cable << mains power adapter
or
USB hub << power cable << Veho Pebble USB battery

 

Quick question, DanBa.. In the part I highlighted in red: does the Belkin hub you're using have a usb mini-b (female) port?  I thought you need to use a "usb-a to usb-a" cable between the OTG adapter & the hub?

post #1628 of 5306
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Originally Posted by FlySweep View Post

Quick question, DanBa.. In the part I highlighted in red: does the Belkin hub you're using have a usb mini-b (female) port?  

 

Yes, my 4-port USB hub has one mini-B receptacle for the upstream port connecting the USB hub to the USB host, and four standard-A receptacles for the downstream ports connecting the USB hub to the USB peripherals.

 

"The following list explains how the plugs and receptacles can be mated:

• Series “A” receptacle mates with a Series “A” plug. Electrically, Series “A” receptacles function as
outputs from host systems and/or hubs.
• Series “A” plug mates with a Series “A” receptacle. The Series “A” plug always is oriented towards
the host system.
• Series “B” receptacle mates with a Series “B” plug (male). Electrically, Series “B” receptacles
function as inputs to hubs or devices.
• Series “B” plug mates with a Series “B” receptacle. The Series “B” plug is always oriented towards
the USB hub or device.
• Series “mini-B” receptacle mates with a Series “mini-B” plug (male). Electrically, Series “mini-B”
receptacles function as inputs to hubs or devices.
• Series “mini-B” plug mates with a Series “mini-B” receptacle. The Series “mini-B” plug is always
oriented towards the USB hub or device."
[USB 2.0 Specification Engineering Change Notice (ECN) #1: Mini-B connector]

Edited by DanBa - 2/4/13 at 1:35pm
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Danba, you've been quite keen on using battery packs with your portable rig.  The theoretical improvements are certainly there.  And I know power conditioning can, at times, greatly improve the performance of some desktop gear.  But does it really make an audible difference with these portables?  I've yet to hear either the Pico or Headstreamer sound any different connected to any device, be it computer or phone.  But I've not had a chance to try one of those battery packs, so I can't say with authority.  Rather, I remain skeptical.

post #1630 of 5306
Sound quality is not consistent from one person to the next as our ears are different.
 
Some portable rig tweakings:
post #1631 of 5306

ok guys... I swear I started reading this whole post to try and find my answer but when I saw 109 pages I accepted my defeat ;o)

 

I am a complete noob to quality cans.  I just bought an internally modded D2k from swimsonny.  I am very excited but I also would like to get an amp as I have been told they help greatly with the D2K's.  I am normally hiking or outside in a hammock.  I want a nice one but portability is important...

 

What do you guys recommend?

 

Thanks

post #1632 of 5306
Originally Posted by Eliteoomph View Post

ok guys... I swear I started reading this whole post to try and find my answer but when I saw 109 pages I accepted my defeat ;o)

 

I am a complete noob to quality cans.  I just bought an internally modded D2k from swimsonny.  I am very excited but I also would like to get an amp as I have been told they help greatly with the D2K's.  I am normally hiking or outside in a hammock.  I want a nice one but portability is important...

 

What do you guys recommend?

 

Thanks

 

Wrong thread.. hell, wrong sub-forum.  Swing and a miss, bro.. restart your computer & try again.

post #1633 of 5306
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Originally Posted by Eliteoomph View Post

ok guys... I swear I started reading this whole post to try and find my answer but when I saw 109 pages I accepted my defeat ;o)

 

I am a complete noob to quality cans.  I just bought an internally modded D2k from swimsonny.  I am very excited but I also would like to get an amp as I have been told they help greatly with the D2K's.  I am normally hiking or outside in a hammock.  I want a nice one but portability is important...

 

What do you guys recommend?

 

Thanks

 

Hey man. Here's a couple of points that might help you along: 

 

1). The D2ks are great headphones (according to their reputation), but they are not going to be much good at all for something like hiking. They won't stay on your head particularly well and they leak sound like a mug. Might work for the hammock though!

 

2). What kind of source device (= probably your phone) do you have? Right now there are only a handful of phones that will allow the use of an external DAC, so if you don't have one of those, it will completely change the answer you get here. This thread in particular is about the devices that work with external DACs, so if you don't have one of those, you'll probably find better information elsewhere. 

 

3). What's your price range? As with all things in life, what you get is largely dependent on how much you're willing to spend ;)

 

4). If you're looking for answers around Head-Fi, there are a TON of threads, subforums, links to other sites, etc to navigate around. And frankly, the search function here isn't worth a hoot in my opinion. So if I'm looking for something on HF, I'll go to Google, type in what I'm looking for, and add "site:head-fi.org" to the end, so Google will search HF for that string. For example: "denon d2000 portable amp site:head-fi.org", although you don't include the quotation marks. I've found this to be VASTLY more useful than the general search function here. 

 

5). And in case nobody's told ya yet: Welcome to Head-Fi!!! Sorry about your wallet etysmile.gif

 

It might be good to do the Googling first and then come back with some questions once you've done a little reading. (If you need help figuring out where to look, PM me and I'll try to point you in the right direction). Congrats on the new cans!!!

post #1634 of 5306
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Originally Posted by Eliteoomph View Post

ok guys... I swear I started reading this whole post to try and find my answer but when I saw 109 pages I accepted my defeat ;o)

 

I am a complete noob to quality cans.  I just bought an internally modded D2k from swimsonny.  I am very excited but I also would like to get an amp as I have been told they help greatly with the D2K's.  I am normally hiking or outside in a hammock.  I want a nice one but portability is important...

 

What do you guys recommend?

 

Thanks

 

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Originally Posted by Theogenes View Post

 

Hey man. Here's a couple of points that might help you along: 

 

1). The D2ks are great headphones (according to their reputation), but they are not going to be much good at all for something like hiking. They won't stay on your head particularly well and they leak sound like a mug. Might work for the hammock though!

 

2). What kind of source device (= probably your phone) do you have? Right now there are only a handful of phones that will allow the use of an external DAC, so if you don't have one of those, it will completely change the answer you get here. This thread in particular is about the devices that work with external DACs, so if you don't have one of those, you'll probably find better information elsewhere. 

 

3). What's your price range? As with all things in life, what you get is largely dependent on how much you're willing to spend ;)

 

4). If you're looking for answers around Head-Fi, there are a TON of threads, subforums, links to other sites, etc to navigate around. And frankly, the search function here isn't worth a hoot in my opinion. So if I'm looking for something on HF, I'll go to Google, type in what I'm looking for, and add "site:head-fi.org" to the end, so Google will search HF for that string. For example: "denon d2000 portable amp site:head-fi.org", although you don't include the quotation marks. I've found this to be VASTLY more useful than the general search function here. 

 

5). And in case nobody's told ya yet: Welcome to Head-Fi!!! Sorry about your wallet etysmile.gif

 

It might be good to do the Googling first and then come back with some questions once you've done a little reading. (If you need help figuring out where to look, PM me and I'll try to point you in the right direction). Congrats on the new cans!!!

Correct on all counts, they are not portable, and will fall off your head, don't isolate too well, and leak sound. They also aren't built tough, and the cable is too long and inflexible for portable use. 

There is a link in my sig explaining what to look for in amps for Denons. Start their, but not many portable amps are mentioned - because its not a portable can. But from there you will know what to look for.

post #1635 of 5306
A list of stock Android-powered devices reportedly interworking with standard USB DAC:
 
stock Android device > digital USB audio out >> USB OTG cable >> standard USB DAC >> amp >> headphones
 
. Acer Iconia Tab A200 using USB Audio Recorder PRO (tablet):
 
. Acer Iconia Tab A500 using USB Audio Recorder PRO (tablet):
 
. Archos G9 (tablet):
 
. Asus Transformer Pad TF300 using USB Audio Recorder PRO (tablet):
 
. Asus Transformer Pad Infinity TF700 using USB Audio Recorder PRO (tablet):
 
. Asus Transformer Prime using USB Audio Recorder PRO (tablet):
 
. Google Galaxy Nexus using USB Audio Recorder PRO (smartphone):
 
. Google Nexus 7 using USB Audio Recorder PRO (tablet):
 
. Google Nexus 10 using USB Audio Recorder PRO (tablet):
 
. HTC Butterfly / HTC Droid DNA / HTC J Butterfly (smartphone):
 
. HTC One X (smartphone):
 
. Huawei Ascend D1 Quad XL using USB Audio Recorder PRO (smartphone):
 
. Huawei MediaPad using USB Audio Recorder PRO (tablet):
 
. MK808 / MK808B (mini PC):
 
. Meizu MX Quad-Core using USB Audio Recorder PRO (smartphone):
 
. Minix Neo G4 (mini PC):
 
. Minix Neo X5 (mini PC):
 
. Motorola Razr Maxx HD using USB Audio Recorder PRO (smartphone):
 
. Motorola Xoom using USB Audio Recorder PRO (tablet):
 
. Samsung Galaxy Camera (camera):
 
. Samsung Galaxy Note II (smartphone):
 
. Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 (tablet):
 
. Samsung Galaxy R using USB Audio Recorder PRO (smartphone):
 
. Samsung Galaxy S III (smartphone):
 
. Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 using USB Audio Recorder PRO (tablet):
 
. Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7 using USB Audio Recorder PRO (tablet):
 
. Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 using USB Audio Recorder PRO (tablet):
 
. Sony Xperia S using USB Audio Recorder PRO (smartphone):
 
. Sony Xperia Sola using USB Audio Recorder PRO (smartphone):
 
. Sony Xperia Tablet S using USB Audio Recorder PRO (tablet):
 
. Toshiba Thrive using USB Audio Recorder PRO (tablet):
 
. Wiko Cink King using USB Audio Recorder PRO (smartphone):
 
 
 

 

 

 

A list of standard USB DAC reportedly interworking with the Android-powered smartphone Samsung Galaxy Note II:
 
stock Galaxy Note II > digital USB audio out >> USB OTG cable (micro-A plug inserted into the Note II) >> standard USB DAC >> amp >> headphones
 
. Apex Glacier (USB DAC/amp):
 
. Asus Xonar U3 (USB DAC/amp):
 
. Audio-gd NFB-16 (USB DAC/amp):
 
. AudioQuest DragonFly using USB Audio Recorder PRO:
 
. CEntrance DACport LX using USB Audio Recorder PRO:
 
. ELE EL-D01:
 
. FiiO E07K Andes (USB DAC/amp): to be confirmed
 
. Focal XS 2.1 (USB speakers): 
 
. GoVibe Magnum (USB DAC/amp):
 
. GoVibe Martini-U (USB DAC/amp):
 
. GoVibe Vulcan (USB DAC/amp):
 
. HRT HeadStreamer Mobile (USB DAC/amp):
 
. HRT microStreamer (USB DAC/amp):
 
. HeadAmp Pico USB DAC/Amp: bug fixed by HeadAmp
 
. HeadAmp Pico Upsampling USB DAC: 
 
. Headstage Lyrix Pro USB total (USB DAC/amp):
 
. iBasso D-Zero (USB DAC/amp):
 
. iBasso D12 (USB DAC/amp):
 
. Leckerton UHA-6S MKII (USB DAC/amp):
 
. MyST 1866 PortaDAC (USB DAC/amp):
 
. Objective DAC (ODAC):
 
. ODAC+O2 (USB DAC/amp):
 
. RSA Intruder (USB DAC/amp):
 
. RSA Predator (USB DAC/amp):
 
. Sony PHA-1 (USB DAC/amp):
 
. Stoner Acoustics UD100:
 
. VentureCraft Go-Dap X (USB DAC/amp): USB cable provided by VentureCraft
 
. xDuoo XP-1 (USB DAC/amp):
 
. Zoom H4 using USB Audio Recorder PRO (USB recorder):
 
 
So far, like the quad-core Exynos powered Galaxy S III, the new quad-core Exynos powered Samsung Galaxy Note II can work with the FiiO E7, the iBasso D12, Leckerton UHA-6S MKII, the ODAC, … ; had some issue with the HeadAmp Pico (bug fixed by HeadAmp); and doesn’t work with the FiiO E17 using the stock USB audio driver.
 
So, in regard to the USB protocol, the behaviour of the Galaxy Note II is likely identical to the behaviour of the Galaxy S III.
 
 
A list of standard USB DAC reportedly interworking with the Android-powered smartphone Samsung Galaxy S III:
 
stock Samsung Galaxy S III > digital USB audio out >> USB OTG cable (micro-A plug inserted into the S III) >> standard USB DAC >> amp >> headphones
 
. AMB Gamma 1:
 
. AMB Gamma 2:
 
. Apex Glacier (USB DAC/amp):
 
. Asus Xonar U3 (USB DAC/amp):
 
. Atoll DAC 100:
 
. Audio-gd Sparrow Version A  (USB DAC/amp):
 
. Behringer UCA202 (USB DAC/amp):
 
. Behringer UCA222 (USB DAC/amp):
 
. Beresford Caiman:
 
. C-Media chipset-based sound card Dynamode 7 channel USB 2.0 (USB DAC/amp):
 
. Cakewalk Sonar SPS 25:
 
. Cambridge Audio DacMagic:
 
. CEntrance DacMini using USB Audio Recorder PRO (USB DAC/amp):
 
. Corsair HS1 Gaming headset (USB DAC/amp/headphones):
 
. Creative Xmod:
 
. Dared MP 5 or ALO JV5 (USB DAC/amp):
 
. ELE EL-D01:
 
. FiiO E7 (USB DAC/amp):
 
. FiiO E07K Andes (USB DAC/amp): to be confirmed
 
. FiiO E17 using USB Audio Recorder PRO (USB DAC/amp):
 
. Furutech ADL Cruise (USB DAC/amp):
 
. GoVibe DAC:
 
. GoVibe Mini USB DAC:
 
. GoVibe Petite (USB DAC/amp):
 
. HRT HeadStreamer (USB DAC/amp):
 
. HRT Music Streamer II:
 
. HeadAmp Pico USB DAC/Amp: bug fixed by HeadAmp
 
. HeadAmp Pico Upsampling USB DAC: 
 
. HeadRoom Total BitHead (USB DAC/amp):
 
. HeadStage USB DAC cable:
 
. HiFiMan Express HM-101:
 
. HiFimeDIY Sabre USB DAC using USB Audio Recorder PRO:
 
. Hippo CriCri+ using USB Audio Recorder PRO (USB DAC/amp):
 
. iBasso D-Zero (USB DAC/amp):
 
. iBasso D2 Boa (USB DAC/amp):
 
. iBasso D2+ Boa (USB DAC/amp):
 
. iBasso D5 (USB DAC/amp):
 
. iBasso D6 using USB Audio Recorder PRO (USB DAC/amp):
 
. iBasso D10 (USB DAC/amp):
 
. iBasso D12 (USB DAC/amp):
 
. iBasso DB2 using USB Audio Recorder PRO:
 
. iQube v2 (USB DAC/amp):
 
. JH Audio JH-3A (USB DSP/DAC/amp/JH16 CIEM):
 
. Jabra GN 5035 (USB headset):
 
. KingRex UD-01:
 
. Leckerton UHA-4 (USB DAC/amp):
 
. Leckerton UHA-6S MKII (USB DAC/amp):
 
. Logitech wíreless gaming headset G930 (USB wireless headset):
 
. M-Audio Duo USB Audio Interface:
 
. Matrix Mini-i (USB DAC/amp):
 
. Meier Audio Cantate.2 (USB DAC/amp):
 
. Microsoft Philips Digital Sound System 80 (USB DAC/amp/speakers):
 
. Microsoft LifeChat LX-3000 (USB headset):
 
. MyST 1866 PortaDAC (USB DAC/amp):
 
. NuForce Icon HDP (USB DAC/amp):
 
. NuForce Icon Mobile (USB DAC/amp):
 
. NuForce Icon uDAC-2 (USB DAC/amp):
 
. Objective DAC (ODAC):
 
. ODAC+O2 (USB DAC/amp):
 
. Ordnance .25 (USB DAC/amp):
 
. RSA Intruder (USB DAC/amp):
 
. RSA Predator (USB DAC/amp):
 
. Sony PHA-1 (USB DAC/amp):
 
. Stoner Acoustics UD100:
 
. Syba SD-AUD20101: 
 
. Topping D1 Mark 2 (USB DAC/amp):
 
. Topping D2 (USB DAC/amp):
 
. Topping TP30 (USB DAC/amp):
 
. Turtle Beach Audio Advantage Micro II:
 
. Unique Melody PP6 using USB Audio Recorder PRO (USB DSP/DAC/amp/CIEM):
 
. VentureCraft Go-Dap X (USB DAC/amp): USB cable provided by VentureCraft
 
. xDuoo XP-1 (USB DAC/amp):
 
 
Bold: new addition to the list
 

Edited by DanBa - 2/5/13 at 3:04am
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