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PX100-II Review | The Sennheiser HD625

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Wow, just wow. I cannot believe how good this headphone really is. Not only that, I personally cannot believe how I nearly looped back on myself from the start of this hobby. Started out with the PortaPros over 2 years ago, countless headphones later, ended up with the PX100-II. How this happened is still pretty miraculous to me, but I’ve learned to appreciate and learn many things through that loop. Anyway, throughout this review, I’ll explain why I appreciate this headphone to the extent I do, and how it competes with the more exquisite offerings from the same manufacturer.

 

So, I want to mention one thing real quick before I get started about the headphone itself. The HD598, HD600, and HD650 are some of my very favorite headphones. A few months ago, I was lucky enough to have all three on my desk at the same time. Comparisons raged back and forth, but ultimately, I came to choose the HD598 over both the HD600 and HD650. Although I really liked the slightly more full sound of the HD600 and HD650, I still choose the HD598 mainly due to it sounding 90%+ exactly the same but for half the price; as well as having a more airy and spacious sound. So out went the HD600 and HD650, and in came the PX100-II; mainly because even the HD598 started becoming uncomfortable after a few hours of use. To my amazement, the PX100-II not only surpassed the 90%+ test with flying colors, but it simply outclassed the HD598 in most cases. Don’t ask me the technicalities of that conclusion, but the PX100-II just sounded less boring and more balanced to me. And that was the end of the HD598, as the PX100-II took permanent residency.

 

And here we go with the actual PX100-II critique.

 

Starting off with build, I’ll go to say that these are actually very durable. I’ve never owned an original PX100 so I’m not sure how tough the headband was, but the one on the PX100-II is incredibly tough, yet flexible. I constantly bend it in a flat line and squeeze it together, just to experiment with clamping force. Wouldn’t be afraid to throw it, drop it, contort it, or whatever. But now let’s say it really does break; well that’s not so bad either, considering it's very inexpensive to replace. Cord wise, it’s pretty thin and rubbery, but I’d say most cords are like that. I honestly could care less; I just don’t want it to have bad memory retention or extreme microphonics, in which it has neither. But in a general sense, these definitely have an above-average build, and I have no worries anyway as I don’t take them anywhere. Yes, I actually use a portable as my desktop listening. These are that good.

 

Okay, okay, so you caught the part where I said, “even the HD598 started becoming uncomfortable after a few hours of use”. And yes, I really did mean exactly that. So I decided that full sized were not really an option anymore for long term use. Knowing and loving Sennheiser, the PX100-II was my next best bet. Slightly off put by all the negative reviews, I gave it a spin. And just so happens, one of my best decisions ever! Comfort is simply top notch. Full sized headphones just cannot compete, no matter how many pillowed cushions are attached to it. Full sized headphones have a weight restriction, simply because they are bigger than portables. You just cannot escape that fact. That said, the PX100-II already has a huge advantage. Feeling very light on your head, I honestly forgot these were there sometimes, and I have NEVER said that about any headband based headphone before. As a note though, after a couple of hours, you’ll naturally start feeling the pads against your ears and it can cause some irritation around the edges of your ears. That’s definitely expected since these are supra aural headphones after all. A slight break every once in a while is probably needed anyway…

 

And now let’s hit the sound. Let me rephrase, “get hit by the sound”. Let’s just say I’m baffled two ways. First, I’m not sure why these have such mixed reviews. I honestly cannot understand why. They are an incredible value, and sound as good as their bigger brothers, with certain reserves, and better than most other headphones I've tried. And second, I still cannot even comprehend how good these sound, price irrelevant. Lively, balanced, fun, and inoffensive. It’s got a dark undertone to it, and has a thick backbone (somewhat typical of Sennheiser’s house sound). It’s definitely got a nice weight across the spectrum, but also an airiness as well. Surprisingly, it has excellent soundstage and presents itself very nicely. Bass, midrange, and treble all seem to intertwine pleasantly. Tonality and texture are both great as well. Bottom line, it simply sounds really, really good.

 

But that’s not enough said about the sound. We both know that…

 

I want to try and shed some light about the complaint I read about these. Many say they have heavily bloated midbass, sound murky or muddy, and have lousy clarity. I would answer to all three of those with a "NO" without hesitation. The bass is actually well proportioned to the rest of the sound, yet some people interpret it in such a different (negative) way. So obviously, in the IEM world, you cannot get good bass without a good seal, and the same goes for closed headphones as well. With the likes of the PX100-II (open headphones), you don’t get any seal whatsoever, so bass is going to naturally need a boost in the first place to keep up with the rest of the sound. So yes, these have a thick lower section, and a graph will most likely reveal that; but it doesn’t hamper clarity or balance whatsoever, nor does it sound even a smidgen muddy. Maybe if you push on both sides very hard against your ears there will be slightly too much bass, but otherwise (especially if you decrease clamping force), bass will not be a problem. And again, yes the sound has a darker flavor, but that’s expected. I'll even admit it does have extra concentration on midbass, but it's nothing that restricts listening enjoyment in my opinion. In fact, without the slightly bumped bass frequencies, I cannot help but think how bass anemic these would turn out. Knowing that, it’s still surprisingly tonally accurate, and balances the spectrum well, while presenting enough bass to satisfy a wide range of users.

 

A quick note on graphs and how similar these sound to it's more reference siblings. If you go to headroom and compare the PX100-II to the HD650, you'll be shocked at how closely the frequencies match up until you hit lower treble. Yes, I realize you cannot base sound off something as simple as a graph, but that just goes to show how similarly tuned the PX100-II really are compared to it's technical superior. The graph confirmed it, and most importantly, I've confirmed it with side-by-side comparisons. (If you throw the HD600 and HD598 into the graph as well, you'll notice how all four headphones measure pretty closely. And under real world testing, I can confirm they do indeed all sound very similar.) Anyway, back on track...

 

As mentioned before, it beat my HD598 fair and square, no comparison. And while I slightly preferred the HD600 and HD650 to the HD598, it wasn’t like the margin the PX100-II beat the HD598 by. Referring back to the title, I think I’ll just go ahead and name these the HD625, as I personally think it bridges the gap between the HD600’s and HD650’s sound; two headphones I could never truly decide on which I preferred. (UPDATE) And even recently, I decided to get the king of portables, the HD25-1 II. I was curious to how well these stacked up to the PX100-II. In short, PX100-II takes it. Easily. Not sure how you could wear the HD25 for longer than a half hour, but the PX100-II's are infinitely more comfortable. Personally, I found the HD25's to have an unpleasant treble spike, and I still liked the PX100-II's tonality more, not to mention it has a better presentation of the entire spectrum.

 

On top of it's fantastic stock sound, I actually found and prefer a few minor EQ tweaks that improve/fix it even further!

 

With absolute everything taken into account, the PX100-II is without a doubt the best value headphone I’ve ever bought. As to this day, it’s still my very favorite headphone. Regardless of whether it ever gets replaced by another headphone, I will refuse to ever get rid of it. It's simply too special to me. Sennheiser absolutely nailed it with this one, and I'm very happy I took the chance to buy it despite it's somewhat shady reputation. If mine ever broke, I'd buy another; regardless of whether it defaulted back to MSRP in the future or not ($80). Simply an unbelievable headphone if you ask me. Absolutely unbelievable.


Edited by Katun - 3/29/12 at 1:17pm
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I have to ask, where do you get them for $40 ?
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Ah, just checked the prices. Guess they jumped to near $60 now. I'd still pay MSRP for them though ($80).

 

A few months back they were around $40 for the longest time. Looking around, it looks like most Sennheiser headphones have price jumped.


Edited by Katun - 2/1/12 at 10:53pm
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I very much love these headphones too, though I think I prefer my HD598 much more. Your review makes me very sad though because I've been without my PX100-II for over 2 months thank's to Sennheiser's outstanding warranty service -__-

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Did you read the reviews on Amazon, the two star reviews. They really raved about the 100's having a better high end than the II's. Couple people complained about the beefed up headband, but I find that a plus. Another complaint was the plug being weak. I love your reviews and have added them to my "tobuy" list since they are affordable. Thanks for the write up. really enjoyed reading it.

 
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I've had the PX100-II, ksc75 and M50 for the last year and this is my general listening experience with rock and electronic music on my Sansa Clip and uDAC-2.

For just straight up portable listening enjoyment I would say I much prefer the ksc75 both for their reduced mid bass and better sound stage. Even listening to Cake with their bass guitar focus I like how the ksc75 sounds better. I find the PX100-II to have an unpleasant sound sig, I really like my ATH-M50 with their well represented bass but the bass goes lower and isn't as boosted in the mid bass so it is fun and they also bring energy in the higher frequencies. That's my opinion, I would say the px100-II is a fine headphone but it isn't engaging and I find myself hatting the prominent and crappy sounding midbass for getting in the way of the rest of the music which I'm trying to listen to.

 

That's my experience, I'm glad you like them.


Edited by Zink - 2/1/12 at 10:54pm
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Originally Posted by greydogmusic View Post

Did you read the reviews on Amazon, the two star reviews. They really raved about the 100's having a better high end than the II's. Couple people complained about the beefed up headband, but I find that a plus. Another complaint was the plug being weak. I love your reviews and have added them to my "tobuy" list since they are affordable. Thanks for the write up. really enjoyed reading it.


Thanks, I appreciate your comments. smile.gif

 

 

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Originally Posted by Zink View Post

I've had the PX100-II, ksc75 and M50 for the last year and this is my general listening experience with rock and electronic music on my Sansa Clip and uDAC-2.

For just straight up portable listening enjoyment I would say I much prefer the ksc75 both for their reduced mid bass and better sound stage. Even listening to Cake with their bass guitar focus I like how the ksc75 sounds better. I find the PX100-II to have an unpleasant sound sig, I really like my ATH-M50 with their well represented bass but the bass goes lower and isn't as boosted in the mid bass so it is fun and they also bring energy in the higher frequencies. That's my opinion, I would say the px100-II is a fine headphone but it isn't engaging and I find myself hatting the prominent and crappy sounding midbass for getting in the way of the rest of the music which I'm trying to listen to.

 

That's my experience, I'm glad you like them.

 

Not sure how the KSC75 stacks up to the PortaPro, but I find the PortaPro absolutely more bassy than the PX100-II. That's PortaPro though, never heard the KSC75. But regarding the M50, I wasn't really a fan of those, as I found the bass drowned out too much of the spectrum, not to mention I'm not a fan of closed headphones. I think I really liked my first pair (when I first got into this hobby), but don't like them very much anymore. Kinda surprised I like the PX100-II as much as I do, because I'm starting to lean away from bassier sounding headphones. But there is something about it that just grabs my attention...

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I have both the HD598's and the PX 100 II. Used to have the original PX 100. I can agree with you that the PX 100 II are a terrific value, but I'll take my HD 598 over them any day. I use the PX 100 II for portable use and the HD 598 strictly for home use. The soundstage is much bigger on the HD598 and I can hear all those little details that I can't get listening to the PX 100 II. Comfort wise the PX 100 II wins. Value wise the PX 100 II definitely wins. The only thing that bothers me about the HD598 is they are tight. I had the original model (cracking headband) that didn't seem to fit as tight. I sent them to Sennheiser and the replaced that band with new material. The new headband is tighter than the old one. Hopefully they will loosen up with time, as I just got them back a couple weeks ago.

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it may be my specific PX-100 II, but i find the sound flat and muddy. it does not have that airy feel that the original PX 100 had - the instruments sound scrunched up together.

 

mind you i am using FLAC files and 320 kbps mp3s from a fiio e10.

 

god i wish i could enjoy it as much as you do :( i paid good money for it.

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Originally Posted by wheelzat View Post

I have both the HD598's and the PX 100 II. Used to have the original PX 100. I can agree with you that the PX 100 II are a terrific value, but I'll take my HD 598 over them any day. I use the PX 100 II for portable use and the HD 598 strictly for home use. The soundstage is much bigger on the HD598 and I can hear all those little details that I can't get listening to the PX 100 II. Comfort wise the PX 100 II wins. Value wise the PX 100 II definitely wins. The only thing that bothers me about the HD598 is they are tight. I had the original model (cracking headband) that didn't seem to fit as tight. I sent them to Sennheiser and the replaced that band with new material. The new headband is tighter than the old one. Hopefully they will loosen up with time, as I just got them back a couple weeks ago.


I think a good amount of people would take the HD598 over the PX100-II if they heard them both. But I was in a position to keep either one, since I really loved them both. I use them off my iAudio 7 most of the time, and also use them for games like Battlefield 3. I thought the PX100-II sounded very airy when pulled away from your ear, yet still dark and creamy at the same time. It's kinda a unique sound, but I love it. I have owned the HD598 twice before, and really did love it both times. I guess it's safe to say I like most Sennheiser headphones (that I've tried anyway).

 

 

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Originally Posted by Mr Portable View Post

it may be my specific PX-100 II, but i find the sound flat and muddy. it does not have that airy feel that the original PX 100 had - the instruments sound scrunched up together.

 

mind you i am using FLAC files and 320 kbps mp3s from a fiio e10.

 

god i wish i could enjoy it as much as you do :( i paid good money for it.


Hmm, I'm using 320kbps on my iAudio 7. It's probably just my psycho ears liking that type of sound. But I honest think it's quite amazing for what it is.

 

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