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post #256 of 662

Katun's gotten a lot of flack for the title, but to be honest, it was the outlandish title that got my attention and convinced me to grab a pair, which I am now missing sorely since giving them away. They aren't a match for the HD600/650, but they really do sound great for the price, and they are built like a tank - I literally had a car run over mine, and although the swivels were never quite the same, they still worked perfectly. I just sold my HD650s, and I would spend $40 on another PX100-II long before re-buying the HD650 at the $325 I was lucky enough to steal them for. They can't match the detail, refinement, or soundstage performance of the HD6xx, but they do offer a similar sound signature with a fun kick in the bass that I don't hear as being anywhere near as invasive as most of the nay-sayers seem bent on portraying. I think they are a great headphone and, having owned all three of the PX100-II, HD650, and HD25, I can see exactly why Katun would nickname the PX the "HD625." It has that warm, relaxed, open sound of the HD650 with the fun, punchy bass and forwardness of the HD25. Makes total sense to me, I think most people are just being haters and/or snobs because the HD6xx are more detailed and have a bigger soundstage :P

post #257 of 662
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Originally Posted by Katun View Post
 

Well, it seems to me the only comparison I'm missing is with another, fresh PX100-II. I wonder if there would be a variation between a heavily used one and a newer pair.

 

There is...quite a bit, in fact.

 

When I first got my PX100IIs I compared them to my ancient PX100s.   The new pair had almost no sub-bass when I compared them to the original model.  I absolutely hated how they sounded (I almost sent you a PM about it) at first.  I let them burn in for a while (around 10 or so hours) and then I had another listen - still sub-bass shy when compared to the PX100s.   So I let them burn for another 50 or so and I compared them again...and this time the sub-bass was more pronounced.   I've had them for a few months now and the sub-bass is about equal...

 

...but I still prefer the original PX100.

 

I looked around and I found a new pair of PX100 (originals) on ebay from an English merchant.  I hope they are not fake. :confused_face_2:

post #258 of 662
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Originally Posted by Gilly87 View Post
 

They aren't a match for the HD600/650, but they really do sound great for the price, and they are built like a tank

 

I actually like the PX100 much better than the HD650.  No veils to be found with the little portable. 

 

If someone likes the HD650 signature, then yeah, they are better than the PX100.

post #259 of 662
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Originally Posted by Gilly87 View Post
 

Katun's gotten a lot of flack for the title, but to be honest, it was the outlandish title that got my attention and convinced me to grab a pair, which I am now missing sorely since giving them away. They aren't a match for the HD600/650, but they really do sound great for the price, and they are built like a tank - I literally had a car run over mine, and although the swivels were never quite the same, they still worked perfectly. I just sold my HD650s, and I would spend $40 on another PX100-II long before re-buying the HD650 at the $325 I was lucky enough to steal them for. They can't match the detail, refinement, or soundstage performance of the HD6xx, but they do offer a similar sound signature with a fun kick in the bass that I don't hear as being anywhere near as invasive as most of the nay-sayers seem bent on portraying. I think they are a great headphone and, having owned all three of the PX100-II, HD650, and HD25, I can see exactly why Katun would nickname the PX the "HD625." It has that warm, relaxed, open sound of the HD650 with the fun, punchy bass and forwardness of the HD25. Makes total sense to me, I think most people are just being haters and/or snobs because the HD6xx are more detailed and have a bigger soundstage :P

 

For those in the U.S. there's a vendor that has them for under $42, including free shipping.  This is from BH Photo.  I remember this thread from the past, but had forgotten about it.  After doing some repairs on a pair of headphones, along with a little mod project on the he PX100 II headphones, I realized that the drivers were the same diameter as those from Grado.    I opted for my own pair of the PX100 II headphones, so I could just use the drivers.  I have wooden cups that were cut for a pair of Grado drivers, so I was really ready for a little "hybrid' project.  I figured even if it didn't work out, I was still only out about $43.00, but could still place the drivers back into the PX100 II housings and reconfigure some of the wiring and the could go back into service.

 

In my case, though, the drivers are staying in the wooden cups.  The cups take a very good driver and turn it into a most excellent driver in wooden cups.  The accuracy is stunning.  The bass is really, really good, yet the highs are tamed from what we know of with respect to Grado.  However, I've also owned the HD-600 and 650 models from Sennheiser.  I wanted more detail as I lover percussion, and the HD-500, while a great headphone, still wasn't proving me with the detail I sought.    This is where the PX 100 II headphones come into the picture.  I think most members wouldn't perform this mod as it would require cut wooden cups, a Grado headband, cable, etc.  

 

I now have a headphone that is better in the bass department than my HD-600 ever was.  I also have a headphone that's tamed the treble a bit, but didn't kill off the detail.  Top it off with a pair of Ear Zonk G-cush style pads and this setup is crazy good.  I think that this combination would make most people come back up and realize that they could take the features of the HD-600, yet make the sound better from a Sennheiser perspective, yet take the Grado foundation many levels up with sound quality.

 

In fact, I like this combo so well, I've purchased two more pair of the Senn PX100 II headphones so I can perform additional mods or builds as needed and not have to worry about sourcing a pair of the PX100 II drivers down the road.

 

Enjoy!

post #260 of 662

Could you post a few pics with the "gradoed" PX100's? I'm curious, because I could try building the cups out of metal.

post #261 of 662

O_O Pics!

 

 

How is the soundstage compared to the HD600?

 

 

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Originally Posted by wje View Post
 

 

For those in the U.S. there's a vendor that has them for under $42, including free shipping.  This is from BH Photo.  I remember this thread from the past, but had forgotten about it.  After doing some repairs on a pair of headphones, along with a little mod project on the he PX100 II headphones, I realized that the drivers were the same diameter as those from Grado.    I opted for my own pair of the PX100 II headphones, so I could just use the drivers.  I have wooden cups that were cut for a pair of Grado drivers, so I was really ready for a little "hybrid' project.  I figured even if it didn't work out, I was still only out about $43.00, but could still place the drivers back into the PX100 II housings and reconfigure some of the wiring and the could go back into service.

 

In my case, though, the drivers are staying in the wooden cups.  The cups take a very good driver and turn it into a most excellent driver in wooden cups.  The accuracy is stunning.  The bass is really, really good, yet the highs are tamed from what we know of with respect to Grado.  However, I've also owned the HD-600 and 650 models from Sennheiser.  I wanted more detail as I lover percussion, and the HD-500, while a great headphone, still wasn't proving me with the detail I sought.    This is where the PX 100 II headphones come into the picture.  I think most members wouldn't perform this mod as it would require cut wooden cups, a Grado headband, cable, etc.  

 

I now have a headphone that is better in the bass department than my HD-600 ever was.  I also have a headphone that's tamed the treble a bit, but didn't kill off the detail.  Top it off with a pair of Ear Zonk G-cush style pads and this setup is crazy good.  I think that this combination would make most people come back up and realize that they could take the features of the HD-600, yet make the sound better from a Sennheiser perspective, yet take the Grado foundation many levels up with sound quality.

 

In fact, I like this combo so well, I've purchased two more pair of the Senn PX100 II headphones so I can perform additional mods or builds as needed and not have to worry about sourcing a pair of the PX100 II drivers down the road.

 

Enjoy!

post #262 of 662
Thread Starter 

Thanks for posting your experience with that cool mod of yours! I too, would absolutely love to see pics.

 

That driver sure does have a lot of potential.

post #263 of 662
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Originally Posted by Mad Lust Envy View Post

I have to second Chico in saying that the PX100-II can get a bit bothersome on the ears. Having spent a few hours the past few days with it... it IS now starting to physically hurt my ears. Neither the KSC75 nor the KSC35 do this, so I'll have to say that the comfort CAN be better. I dunno how I feel about this, since I REALLY like the PX100-II in general, but comfort for me IS top priority... so I don't think I'll be keeping these. I will at least get enough experience with them to put up a review, since I do think more than not, these are an absolute solid pair of headphones. They deserve some spot light.

That being said, I don't think the majority of people will have an issue with them, but I'm really picky with comfort. Like REALLY.

They hurt my ears as well. But they sound so good.

post #264 of 662
@wje - how about some pics?
post #265 of 662
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Originally Posted by beedee View Post

@wje - how about some pics?

 

Sure thing.  I don't want to derail this current thread on the Sennheiser headphones, but I do have the pictures posted over in the thread where I've started to document and comment on this process.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/690682/the-non-grado-driver-grado-thread/45#post_10021520

post #266 of 662

The px-100's will always hold a place in my collection due to the fact that they were the headphones that showed me how good music could sound. That being said, I've found the straight jack to pretty much be the bane of my existence, over the 4 or so years I used them as my primary set of headphones I must have gone through at least 8 pairs, all having the exact same issue (one side dying) =(. I really wish Sennheiser would re-design these to have a L-shaped jack.

 

Disclaimer: I tend to spend a lot of time walking with my phone/mp3 player in my pocket which probably puts a lot of stress on the jack.

post #267 of 662
Have you tried positioning the phone so that the jack is angled up and out of your pocket? Could fix the problem
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Originally Posted by feuerspiel View Post

The px-100's will always hold a place in my collection due to the fact that they were the headphones that showed me how good music could sound. That being said, I've found the straight jack to pretty much be the bane of my existence, over the 4 or so years I used them as my primary set of headphones I must have gone through at least 8 pairs, all having the exact same issue (one side dying) =(. I really wish Sennheiser would re-design these to have a L-shaped jack.

Disclaimer: I tend to spend a lot of time walking with my phone/mp3 player in my pocket which probably puts a lot of stress on the jack.
post #268 of 662

Well, I received the new PX100 from the English ebay seller.   They are the real deal.   The guy had 30 new pairs for sale and he was practically giving them away - I got them for $36, including shipping from England.

 

Like my new PX100IIs, this pair also has very little sub-bass right now.   I'm going to burn them in for 50 hours or so and then I'll have another listen. 

post #269 of 662
The PX100 should have less mid bass and little bit more sparkle or clarity in the high end. I was hoping they were the real deal because my old px100 is falling apart and I prefer it to the PX100 ii. I have one on order.
post #270 of 662
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Originally Posted by beedee View Post

The PX100 should have less mid bass and little bit more sparkle or clarity in the high end. I was hoping they were the real deal because my old px100 is falling apart and I prefer it to the PX100 ii. I have one on order.


Where did you get yours from?

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