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post #211 of 1207

For those who have placed an order with Decware or those who are thinking of ordering from Decware, here's some info which might be useful to you.

 

Since I've been one of Decware's [PATIENT] customers who has been through the 3 to 4 months of waiting time, I thought I could chip in and explain the various stages of waiting involved.
BTW, the long wait for anything you order from Decware is worth it! beyersmile.png

All I can say is that if you are still waiting, please be patient! Let's not rush any of the maestro engineers when they are working on your precious amp... hee hee
Given how busy the Decware staff are, normally you will only be contacted again (in Stage 7 details below) after you have placed your order.

 

After you have placed an online order with Decware, your name and order details will appear in the following PDF list after 1 to 2 days

https://creatorexport.zoho.com/decwarehighfidelity/decware/pdf/Amplifier_Waiting_List/

 

The above link is also found in the Decware forums over here

http://www.decware.com/cgi-bin/yabb22/YaBB.pl?num=1308588670

STATUS and what it actually means in the Decware PDF list.

Stage 1 - NEW. This simply means that your order has been received and recorded in the system.

Stage 2 - PARTS PULLED. Spare parts for your amp have been retrieved.

Stage 3 - Winding Transformers. Duh...

Stage 4 - On Bench. Your amp is still in the WIP stage.

Stage 5 - Testing QC. YES! Your amp should be ready around 10 days time (normally) max.

Stage 6 - Packed. Your amp has been packed. BUT it has not been shipped out yet.

Stage 7 - [BLANK]. When you name finally disappears from the list, CONGRATS! It means that your finished amp has finally been sent to the courier man for delivery. At this stage, if you are paying by Credit Card, your card will be charged. Decware will also send an invoice to you via e-mail.

Hope this helps anyone who is still waiting. Smiley

post #212 of 1207
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Originally Posted by Nyvar View Post

 

NigelJames,

 

First, I owe you an unexpected debt.  You made me realize something I'd forgotten about the CSP2+.  So I owe you one, and you and everyone else may feel free to laugh at my idiocy.  ;) 

 

 

 

You indeed have every right to be puzzled, even though my statements stand, but in the context of my poor testing.   The point I'd quite forgotten is the CSP2+ has variable output.  I tested at the default setting, so I was comparing the CSP2+ set at 4 volts, vs. the Master 6 with 9.5 volts via RCA.  To give an accurate comparison of the two, what I need to do is up the output on the CSP2+ (up to 36 volts) and to give the Master 6 a fair shot, use xlr to RCA out which will bump it up to 19 volts.  So forget the comparison in terms of what you're looking for.  Probably next weekend before I can reset the Master 6 (it's awkward in my set up to get to the back.  

 

 

 

I can say the HD800 str8 out of the Master 6 is great.  However, let me hold on comparisons for now.  I did try the above set up briefly with the HD800 but not enough to really feel comfortable voicing an opinion.  It can take my ears a while to adjust to a new signature enough to become objective about it.  

 

 

 

I would say at least for me and the HD800, yes, hands down, no question.   Someone else mentioned much the same, and my thoughts matched theirs.  The CSP2+ is excellent with high impedance headphones (at least for me with the HD800), but the Taboo with the CSP2+ as a pre amp, is markedly better.   

 

Again, thanks and I owe you one.  


OK I have stopped laughing now  biggrin.gif

 

I had sent a e-mail to Decware asking if the 9volt output would be to much for the Taboo. Never got a reply so checked on their website and noticed the voltage of the CSP2 which basically answered my question for me.

 

The CSP2+Taboo should power the HE-6's. I mean my old Roc and Woo6se never clipped or ran out of steam although now I have the Master-6 its pretty obvious the difference more power brings to the table.

I know Frank I had some clipping issues but Skylad could not replicate the clipping with the same tracks using his less powerful mini Torii.

 

Looking forward to your updated opinions.

 

post #213 of 1207

There you go again comparing an apple to an orange. The he6 clipped on demanding classical recordings especially on the Reference recording label specifically the Copland which sklyab does not own. The mini torri is another different amp entirely frmt he two piece Taboo/CSP2 combo. The HE6 did not clip on acoustic small scale recordings and most pop recordings feed it a SACD or 24/96 HDCD of classical recordings and the amp will struggle with the HE6. Rob used a RCA  we both had and had no issue with the Mini Torri but he also could not play high impedance cans on his torri wiitutt noise or hiss and the Taboo plays them effortless. Again Nigell comparing an apple to an orange will always get a different not accurate result. I suggest anyone with the HE6 and CSP2.Taboo combo purchase the RR album of Copland play it and see the results.bigsmile_face.gif

post #214 of 1207

Hmm this one?

 

 


Kinda off topic but does your CPS2 + T1 clip with this recording rolleyes.gif

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Originally Posted by Frank I View Post

There you go again comparing an apple to an orange. The he6 clipped on demanding classical recordings especially on the Reference recording label specifically the Copland which sklyab does not own. The mini torri is another different amp entirely frmt he two piece Taboo/CSP2 combo. The HE6 did not clip on acoustic small scale recordings and most pop recordings feed it a SACD or 24/96 HDCD of classical recordings and the amp will struggle with the HE6. Rob used a RCA  we both had and had no issue with the Mini Torri but he also could not play high impedance cans on his torri wiitutt noise or hiss and the Taboo plays them effortless. Again Nigell comparing an apple to an orange will always get a different not accurate result. I suggest anyone with the HE6 and CSP2.Taboo combo purchase the RR album of Copland play it and see the results.bigsmile_face.gif



 

post #215 of 1207

thats the recording and its a majestic and magnificent recording as are most RR recordings. When I owned the HE6 and the Taboo yes indeed it clipped on that recording. That recording in particular will challenge any system.

post #216 of 1207
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Originally Posted by Frank I View Post

There you go again comparing an apple to an orange. The he6 clipped on demanding classical recordings especially on the Reference recording label specifically the Copland which sklyab does not own. The mini torri is another different amp entirely frmt he two piece Taboo/CSP2 combo. The HE6 did not clip on acoustic small scale recordings and most pop recordings feed it a SACD or 24/96 HDCD of classical recordings and the amp will struggle with the HE6. Rob used a RCA  we both had and had no issue with the Mini Torri but he also could not play high impedance cans on his torri wiitutt noise or hiss and the Taboo plays them effortless. Again Nigell comparing an apple to an orange will always get a different not accurate result. I suggest anyone with the HE6 and CSP2.Taboo combo purchase the RR album of Copland play it and see the results.bigsmile_face.gif


Sorry I thought Skylab said he had tried the same recording not a different version of the same music. Did you find any other recordings to clip.

 

The main reason I am still interested in the Taboo is that I recently re-purchased the LCD2's only the R2 version this time and they sound absolutely stunning out of the master-6. So the LCD's are my favourite headphone at the moment so the Taboo would not be bought primarily or solely for the HE-6's which was my original intent.

 

post #217 of 1207
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Originally Posted by nigeljames View Post


Sorry I thought Skylab said he had tried the same recording not a different version of the same music. Did you find any other recordings to clip.

 

The main reason I am still interested in the Taboo is that I recently re-purchased the LCD2's only the R2 version this time and they sound absolutely stunning out of the master-6. So the LCD's are my favourite headphone at the moment so the Taboo would not be bought primarily or solely for the HE-6's which was my original intent.

 



mostly classical large scale dynamic recordings is where it would clip the amp. It just ran out of steam but the HE500 sailed on the same recordings lcd2 will not clip the Taboo

post #218 of 1207

Anyone ever listen to the Zu Omens? I'm trying to decide between those and the Decware MG944's as my next speakers. They both appear to be efficient enough to be driven by CSP2/Taboo combo and within the same price bracket. What to choose??

post #219 of 1207
I asked earlier whether anyone has heard the Taboo with LCD-3 and it seems that no one had. Well, curiosity got the better of me and I bought a pair of LCD-3s for myself. I can definitely say that the Taboo is as good with the LCD-3s as it is with the LCD-2s. I had some concern that some background noise might come through since the 3s are slightly more efficient than the 2s but there is no worry, the background is as black as could be, at least to my ears.

My CSP2 came in about the same time as well. With the CSP2 the Taboo just seems to step up a notch. And I thought it was great before, both for headphones and my Decware MG944 speakers. That was with a MiniMax DAC Plus connected directly to Taboo. The MiniMax puts out ~2.5V which is on the higher side for line level source so that helped. But with the CSP2 the Taboo is fuller, has more punch, seems to be more musical and all in all has a more satisfying feeling about it.
post #220 of 1207
I can say that if you get the MG944s to go with the Taboo you will not be disappointed. Unless you want to crank up the volume to rock concert levels. You could say that the two are made to go together, they have a certain synergy... Also, I never cease to be amazed at the depth and quality of the base these speakers produce. How do they do it with those little 6 inch drivers? I have absolutely zero desire for sub woofers, and I like my base....
post #221 of 1207

2 and a half months I've been waiting for my CSP2+ now... I'm getting anxious! :P I've almost made it to page 2!

 

I am considering the Taboo and the MG944/945 (Whichever version it is now...) but I'd honestly rather just jump into the ERR's but don't really know which amp would be best for them... I would think the Taboo with CSP2+ as a pre-amp would power them... but I'm afraid it may not be enough power. On the Decware forums I was reading that some people felt that the Torii needed a good pre-amp to power the ERR's which blows my mind at 25W/channel! Maybe a mini torii with headphone jack would be better...?

 

Doesn't matter right now as my wife would absolutely kill me if I spent another 3k any time soon. I've spent a grand this month on interconnects and tons of tubes just getting ready for my CSP2+ to arrive! :P

post #222 of 1207
Thread Starter 

Heh nice man, yeah the wait feels like forever but it is well worth it, hang in there bud you are almost there lol.

 

 

post #223 of 1207
I'd take any claim that the Torri can't drive the ERRs with a big grain of salt. My understanding is the Torri doesn't benefit from a pre-amp, unless you aren't happy with your source and want to use a pre-amp to "fix" it. I know people are very happy with Taboo + CSP2 + ERR combination. I have the MG944s (the current version) with Taboo + CSP2 and am very happy, but if I were doing it again I'd very seriously consider the ERRs, because I often have music playing when I am moving around and/or sitting somewhere that isn't exactly optimal for best sound stage of conventional speakers. I'd love to try them. My one concern would be base response compared to MG944s. MG944s have outstanding base.
post #224 of 1207

 

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Decware love. gs1000.gif

 

Is that wood knob standard, special order or sourced somewhere else?  Much better looking than the gold in my opinion.  Also does anyone know where the headphone jack is placed on the Taboo?  More opinions on the Taboo versus other similarly priced tube and solid state amps using the LCD-2 Rev2 would be great.

post #225 of 1207

 

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Originally Posted by donw View Post

I'd take any claim that the Torri can't drive the ERRs with a big grain of salt. My understanding is the Torri doesn't benefit from a pre-amp, unless you aren't happy with your source and want to use a pre-amp to "fix" it. I know people are very happy with Taboo + CSP2 + ERR combination. I have the MG944s (the current version) with Taboo + CSP2 and am very happy, but if I were doing it again I'd very seriously consider the ERRs, because I often have music playing when I am moving around and/or sitting somewhere that isn't exactly optimal for best sound stage of conventional speakers. I'd love to try them. My one concern would be base response compared to MG944s. MG944s have outstanding base.

 

So you do know that the ERR's CAN be driven by the Taboo + CSP2+ combo? If so, that will make things a LOT easier! I wouldn't mind also getting the MG944's but highly doubt that Taboo could put out enough power for both both sets of speakers.

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