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post #316 of 327
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post
 

 

What were you amping the HD800 with?  I only find te loaner I've been using to sound peaky or overly bright when they're being under amped (eg not great out of a portable ..... )

I tried to listen to hd800 amped from everything, and starting from fiio e12, and amp by amp moving to matrix m-stage hpa 2, Burson soloist sl, woo audio wa3, woo audio wa6, m2tech marley, woo audio wa7 fireflies, woo audio wa6-se, sennheiser hdvd800.

 

It was getting real late when i got to hdvd800, and i fel very very little difference between amps. To be true i could barley difference e12 and hdvd800 on hd800. I mean, both are neutral, work great with hd800, and at the same volume there was virtually no difference. too minor for the price. The volume was a problem though. 

 

Amps with lamps sounded different, but i am not really into that sound. Lamps were what the amps ship with. They were not neutral, and did not change hd800 in a good way.

post #317 of 327
Wow - interesting observations. Most people I know with the HD800s prefer them with tubes. I think the additional voltage helps as well.

I'm guessing you are very treble sensitive (from your comments)
post #318 of 327
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post

Wow - interesting observations. Most people I know with the HD800s prefer them with tubes. I think the additional voltage helps as well.

I'm guessing you are very treble sensitive (from your comments)

I love treble! Only it has to sound right, like very much treble but no 'S' sound. HD800 had something in common with ultrasone at making the highs just a little sibilant, or metalic. I liked them anyways, but this was true with all amps that were not lamp based. but with lamps, i didn't liked the sound signature for some reason. Solid state amps seem a better ideea, at least for my ears.

post #319 of 327
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Originally Posted by skerry2006aj View Post
 
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post

Wow - interesting observations. Most people I know with the HD800s prefer them with tubes. I think the additional voltage helps as well.

I'm guessing you are very treble sensitive (from your comments)

I love treble! Only it has to sound right, like very much treble but no 'S' sound. HD800 had something in common with ultrasone at making the highs just a little sibilant, or metalic. I liked them anyways, but this was true with all amps that were not lamp based. but with lamps, i didn't liked the sound signature for some reason. Solid state amps seem a better ideea, at least for my ears.

 

There are SS amps that can warm up the HD800 significantly, like the V200. So if you like the HD800, but you think it's too bright the V200 may be the SS amp for you.

post #320 of 327
Can't the HD800's sound including bass simply be changed via EQ?

Just that another member in the Sound Science section mentioned this recently and the member seems experienced and long standing here too.
post #321 of 327
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Originally Posted by SilentFrequency View Post

Can't the HD800's sound including bass simply be changed via EQ?

Just that another member in the Sound Science section mentioned this recently and the member seems experienced and long standing here too.

Of course it can!

 

it was that someone who buys an hd800 wants to be a purist and does not alter the original sound.

 

But yes, i can somply use an eq, instead of searching for the headphones that sound best out of the box! it was that at their price, you ought to listen them without eq.

 

But with all seriousness, if i will ever fiind a very very good clean eq for windows, i will use it, but as far as my knowledge goes, any eq i tried added some distortion that i was able to hear.

post #322 of 327
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Originally Posted by skerry2006aj View Post
 

Of course it can!

 

it was that someone who buys an hd800 wants to be a purist and does not alter the original sound.

 

But yes, i can somply use an eq, instead of searching for the headphones that sound best out of the box! it was that at their price, you ought to listen them without eq.

 

But with all seriousness, if i will ever fiind a very very good clean eq for windows, i will use it, but as far as my knowledge goes, any eq i tried added some distortion that i was able to hear.

Price doesn't determine whether you should use EQ or not, no headphone is perfect. In fact, well-engineered flagships like the HD800 are the ones that benefit most from EQ; distortion and resonance should already be as low as possible, and the headphone should be able to cleanly reproduce every frequency at any volume, so it's just a matter of tweaking the response to your needs.

 

I've never heard distortion from an EQ. Just EQ down instead of up or lower overall digital volume so EQing up doesn't clip. As long as the EQ is doing its calculations in 24 bits or more and doesn't have any phase problems, it should be transparent.

 

I use Graphic EQ for foobar2000. 31 bands (1/3 octave each) for fine tuning. There are some free parametric EQs like Electri-Q if you want even more fine-tuning, but you need to use a VST plugin. I'm unaware of any parametric EQs that work natively.

 

What player do you use?

post #323 of 327
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Originally Posted by skerry2006aj View Post

Of course it can!

it was that someone who buys an hd800 wants to be a purist and does not alter the original sound.

But yes, i can somply use an eq, instead of searching for the headphones that sound best out of the box! it was that at their price, you ought to listen them without eq.

But with all seriousness, if i will ever fiind a very very good clean eq for windows, i will use it, but as far as my knowledge goes, any eq i tried added some distortion that i was able to hear.

Well, I don't know if you use an iPhone or use it for playback but I've the iPhone 6 Plus and have been using that to listen to music with my headphones and I don't use its EQ but the EQ has quite a lot of various options to choose from.

I don't know how iPhone EQ differs from windows though and I'm relatively new to the audiophile scene so to speak so you may already know iPhone EQ quality better than me but thought I'd mention this nonetheless.
post #324 of 327
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Originally Posted by Head Injury View Post
 

Price doesn't determine whether you should use EQ or not, no headphone is perfect. In fact, well-engineered flagships like the HD800 are the ones that benefit most from EQ; distortion and resonance should already be as low as possible, and the headphone should be able to cleanly reproduce every frequency at any volume, so it's just a matter of tweaking the response to your needs.

 

I've never heard distortion from an EQ. Just EQ down instead of up or lower overall digital volume so EQing up doesn't clip. As long as the EQ is doing its calculations in 24 bits or more and doesn't have any phase problems, it should be transparent.

 

I use Graphic EQ for foobar2000. 31 bands (1/3 octave each) for fine tuning. There are some free parametric EQs like Electri-Q if you want even more fine-tuning, but you need to use a VST plugin. I'm unaware of any parametric EQs that work natively.

 

What player do you use?

Foobar. I didn't know until now that eq-ing can be so amazing. this makes me wonder if i can get something like this for android.

 

Just eq-ed my sennheiser ie8 to sound exactly like my ultrasone dj one pro... it is amazing. they stil lack some of the soundstage, but the difference is like 5% or less.

 

from today on, i am going to use eq for everything!..If i can ask, can you recommend me an eq that would work with stock android?..

 

Also, if you will not be mad at me for asking, a very good eq that would work with windows, i mean eq all sounds coming from windows to my DAC would be amazing if you could point me to the right way.

 

I tried basic linux eq, creative drivers, with their DACS, and some other, but all added some distortions. graphic for foobar doesn't add any distortion, so it is a very very nice thing to have, but i wish i could use it with vlc and other programs as well [for video purposes]


Edited by skerry2006aj - 11/23/14 at 1:20pm
post #325 of 327
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Originally Posted by skerry2006aj View Post
 

Foobar. I didn't know until now that eq-ing can be so amazing. this makes me wonder if i can get something like this for android.

 

Just eq-ed my sennheiser ie8 to sound exactly like my ultrasone dj one pro... it is amazing. they stil lack some of the soundstage, but the difference is like 5% or less.

 

from today on, i am going to use eq for everything!..If i can ask, can you recommend me an eq that would work with stock android?..

 

Also, if you will not be mad at me for asking, a very good eq that would work with windows, i mean eq all sounds coming from windows to my DAC would be amazing if you could point me to the right way.

 

I tried basic linux eq, creative drivers, with their DACS, and some other, but all added some distortions. graphic for foobar doesn't add any distortion, so it is a very very nice thing to have, but i wish i could use it with vlc and other programs as well [for video purposes]

Great to hear! EQ is an incredible tool that I hope more people start to utilize it. You can save a lot of money by avoiding chasing colored amps and DACs.

 

For a system-wide Windows EQ, Equalizer APO looks promising. But, there's no graphic interface, and being parametric it's also a lot more complicated than a regular EQ. Room EQ Wizard can apparently be used as a pseudo-interface, instructions here. It can't be used with bit-perfect playback, because that bypasses system effects like this.

 

Someone else will have to help you with Android EQ, I haven't used Android.

post #326 of 327
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Originally Posted by Head Injury View Post
 

Great to hear! EQ is an incredible tool that I hope more people start to utilize it. You can save a lot of money by avoiding chasing colored amps and DACs.

 

For a system-wide Windows EQ, Equalizer APO looks promising. But, there's no graphic interface, and being parametric it's also a lot more complicated than a regular EQ. Room EQ Wizard can apparently be used as a pseudo-interface, instructions here. It can't be used with bit-perfect playback, because that bypasses system effects like this.

 

Someone else will have to help you with Android EQ, I haven't used Android.

Now, i only need a flagship that is able to reproduce everything the eq sends to it, and not distort. Ie8 are still hard to tweak.

 

But yes, with all serioussness, a good DAC and a sufficient amp is all a good pair of headphones need. colored DACs and amps are a waste of money after using a good eq.

 

A little problem would still remain portable audio, like i am using fiio x5, which has not so much of an eq, not enough bands. And a lot of eq miss the higher freqency more detailed tweaking, as most of my headphones are missing or too much of fine frequencies in the after 10k hz.

 

Eq sounds anyday better than searching for a colored AMP or DAC as long as you are using it at your computer. This would be good to mention on open headphones threads, as most open headphones will be used while at home. 

post #327 of 327
I use neutron player for android. It has a setting that will lower the preamp if the audio reaches clipping levels. I eq up, not down
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