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post #31 of 53
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Originally Posted by Proteus24 View Post

i don't know how you guys listen to vinyls, that crackling sound drives me nuts.

 

The plural of vinyl is simply vinyl.

 

You'll only notice crackling sound if (1) the turntable is crappy, (2) the cartridge is aligned incorrectly, or (3) the record itself is in a very poor condition.

post #32 of 53
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Originally Posted by OJNeg View Post

 

The plural of vinyl is simply vinyl.

 

You'll only notice crackling sound if (1) the turntable is crappy, (2) the cartridge is aligned incorrectly, or (3) the record itself is in a very poor condition.


i thought all of the old vinyl players produced a crackling noise when they played.

post #33 of 53

A decent turntable will not have problems. However, if you're listening to old beat up records with dirty grooves, you will hear crackling. Most vinyl enthusiasts put some effort into cleaning their records and setting up their turntables correctly.

post #34 of 53

in that case i might get a turntable only problem is i have so many cds and i dont really wanna re buy all of them in vinyl format.
is this one ok? http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-ATLP120-Professional-Turntable/dp/B002S1CJ2Q/ref=sr_1_2?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1341108124&sr=1-2&keywords=turntable


Edited by Proteus24 - 6/30/12 at 7:03pm
post #35 of 53

Please take note: vinyl is just a format. A lot of vinylheads love to rave about how it's soooo much better than CD and blah blah. I'd only recommend getting into vinyl if you like digging in crates for music. If most of the music you like is available digitally, then stick with digital. Vinyl is not a cheap hobby and prices are high for good TTs and records these days. Rebuying music that you already own on CD is silly.

post #36 of 53
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Originally Posted by FieldEffect View Post


Are there any new quality turntables that have that feature?
A lot of the charm of vinyl, to me, comes from not having that feature and having to keep an eye and ear on your gear and enjoy playing as much as listening.
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Originally Posted by liamstrain View Post

Vinyl can provide a very musical listening experience. But it inherently falls behind a well put together digital or CD (or SACD) based system when it comes to absolute resolution. The masters are important, some labels master their vinyl releases differently than their CD releases - and that can help mitigate the difference. You also have to worry more about the physical condition of an LP since that can seriously affect the sound quality - which I consider a limitation.

With that said. They are different listening experiences. To say one is better than the other, ignores the fact that better doesn't always mean the same thing to everyone. I enjoy my vinyl collection very much. But it is a costly hobby, on top of what is already a costly hobby.
This ties into the whole "am I an audiophile or not" argument. Personally, I have no interest in extreme detail and absolute precision in the reproduction. I want an enjoyable musical experience, with enough detail and dynamics to fully accomplish that, but no so much I am trying to pick out a cough in the audience of a live recording. None of my CDs or digital source material is that detailed either, but I honestly find more enjoyment out of my vinyl than 80% or so of my CDs, and I prefer both to even my high-res digital material in many cases. I think I personally have more enjoyment from the ritual of playing music than analyzing the music that is playing, hence my love of spinning an LP over a CD, and that over clicking play.

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Originally Posted by OJNeg View Post

Please take note: vinyl is just a format. A lot of vinylheads love to rave about how it's soooo much better than CD and blah blah. I'd only recommend getting into vinyl if you like digging in crates for music. If most of the music you like is available digitally, then stick with digital. Vinyl is not a cheap hobby and prices are high for good TTs and records these days. Rebuying music that you already own on CD is silly.

This is exactly what I said above, I enjoy a physical copy, interacting with my music, and listening to a more musical master than a more detailed remaster of a lot of content. The same can be said about digital, some people think it is soooo much better than vinyl. Music is subjective, no measurement you take will make me think that even a well mastered big band jazz song sounds good on any format, but others love it. Some hate vinyl, some hate CDs, some hate playing files. Pick something and enjoy the music.
post #37 of 53

It's more of a romantic thing isn't it? You know, finding that record, choosing it from your collection, taking it from its sleeve, cleaning it, putting it on the platter, lowering the arm, watching it spin and then finally listening. I'd say the experience is comparable to how some people prefer driving manual transmission opposed to automatic, (although I think a sportscar is needed to fully appreciate why manual could be considered "better"). As others have mentioned, it's the interactive nature of vinyl that draws people to it. I also believe that to get the most from vinyl you need to invest in some high quality valve equipment, which can be costly. That being said, if all of this appeals to you in some way, I think vinyl definitely has something different (not necessarily better) to offer music lovers. 

On the issue regarding the source tapes, if it doesn't say otherwise, assume that new vinyl is mastered from digital sources.


Edited by coolguyalex - 7/3/12 at 5:29pm
post #38 of 53

entry-level vinyl rig wont be so satisfying if you are accustomed to digital audio system.

post #39 of 53

Hmmm...someone let this thread pick back up again without letting me know. What's the world coming to?

 

As one guy said, assume new vinyl is mastered from digital sources unless otherwise stated. Now, you may still get a higher quality signal because they'll probably be mastering at better than 16-bit 44.1kHz, but it won't likely be pure analog.

 

Also, to the guy with the Audio Technica Turntable link, go with a Pro-Ject Debut III or something similar from Music Hall. You'll get much cleaner playback than you will with one of those discount AT turntables.

post #40 of 53

Digital sounds better and is much more convenient.  I still have a vinyl rig to play stuff that I can't get on digital and when I feel like the ritual of putting on a record.  I have had many people comment on how good my Vinyl rig sounds (non-audio geeks) and I think it sounds sublime, however, critical listening shows that digital is a touch better.  To get decent vinyl playback requires spending quite some coin though.

post #41 of 53

The vinyl vs digital debate will never end, just like the wire makes/does-not-make a difference, or the vacuum tube vs transistor debates.  Part of the problem lies in most people never having heard vinyl played back with a good phono cartridge, mounted on a good arm, spun by a good turntable, and amped by a good phono preamp, never mind the rest of the audio chain.  CD is easy, and vinyl is hard.  In my own experience, there is good and bad vinyl, good and bad digital, and I've heard both.  I happen to have a few identical songs on 45 rpm 12 inch singles, and CD.  The vinyl versions are consistently more musical than the CD versions.  On the other hand, I have heard the CD version beat the vinyl version, and that was ONE time, on the Telarc 1812 Overture, and only on the live cannon shots.  Where the vinyl mistracked, the CD delivered the goods.  Otherwise, vinyl does it very well, it is just more work, and what's wrong with that?

post #42 of 53
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Originally Posted by Proteus24 View Post

in that case i might get a turntable only problem is i have so many cds and i dont really wanna re buy all of them in vinyl format.

 

one nice thing about records is that you may find treasure troves of wonderful music not released in a digital format. sometimes you can find records really cheaply which can be a way to explore music that you may not try otherwise.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by cantsleep View Post

entry-level vinyl rig wont be so satisfying if you are accustomed to digital audio system.

 

there are plenty of folks who will find this not to be the case! indeed, as others have pointed out, even a simple rig can be quite satisfying. and a great rig, as part of a great system, can be highly enjoyable to listen to!

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by nkoulban View Post
I still have a vinyl rig to play stuff that I can't get on digital and when I feel like the ritual of putting on a record.  I have had many people comment on how good my Vinyl rig sounds (non-audio geeks) and I think it sounds sublime

 

this goes to illustrate my previous two points.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Lazarus Short View Post

The vinyl vs digital debate will never end, just like the wire makes/does-not-make a difference, or the vacuum tube vs transistor debates.  Part of the problem lies in most people never having heard vinyl played back with a good phono cartridge, mounted on a good arm, spun by a good turntable, and amped by a good phono preamp, never mind the rest of the audio chain.  CD is easy, and vinyl is hard.  In my own experience, there is good and bad vinyl, good and bad digital, and I've heard both.  I happen to have a few identical songs on 45 rpm 12 inch singles, and CD.  The vinyl versions are consistently more musical than the CD versions.  On the other hand, I have heard the CD version beat the vinyl version, and that was ONE time, on the Telarc 1812 Overture, and only on the live cannon shots.  Where the vinyl mistracked, the CD delivered the goods.  Otherwise, vinyl does it very well, it is just more work, and what's wrong with that?

 

Laz is a wise man and knows of what he speaks!


Edited by daveDerek - 7/26/12 at 4:11pm
post #43 of 53

ehh.. well, at least in my case, clearaudio emotion with Ortofon super om20 wasnt satisfying.

i had to upgrade to benz micro glider L2 to make me satisfied with the sound.

 

and to me, vinyls are better in speakers than headphones.

post #44 of 53
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Originally Posted by cantsleep View Post

 

and to me, vinyls are better in speakers than headphones.

 

personally i don't like vinyl (let alone vinyls eek.gif (there is no such word, as OJNeg pointed out just a few posts back))  in my transducers.

however i do like they way it sounds when reproduced via my transducers wink.gif.


Edited by daveDerek - 7/27/12 at 4:29pm
post #45 of 53

My favorite piece of all time, I must ask what specific recording this was

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Originally Posted by Lazarus Short View Post
 
On the other hand, I have heard the CD version beat the vinyl version, and that was ONE time, on the Telarc 1812 Overture, and only on the live cannon shots.  Where the vinyl mistracked, the CD delivered the goods.
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