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post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 

So after being annoyed by not understanding why 8x24AWG or 4x18AWG + 4x22AWG single ended cables existed I had to do some research.

 

Firstly, if you disagree with the below, feel free to contribute, however please do not start a flame fest.

 

Ok so to start I did the current requirement calculation, assuming no impedance in the line, however if you insist the headphone cable is going to be around 1.8m (6 feet), therefore about 15ohm resistivity could be added, but basically...

 

Take a Woo audio WA2 @ 1100mW output (max) @ 300 ohm (HD800)

Voutput 18.115V, current = 65mA

 

A 24awg copper wire has a current carrying capacity (ampacity if you insist) of 0.5A

It has a 0.511mm diameter (0.255mm radius)

 

So I was left asking, why the heck do people have 8x24 AWG cables going out there... considering you wont be utilising a single cable not to mention 2 per channel.

 

I assumed it had to do with Gauss's Law/Skin Effect... So I calculated:

 

According to skin affect calculations:

* Assuming copper resistivity and permeability does not change whether its OFC or OOC...

Copper Resistivity 1.68E-08
Relative Permeabillity 0.999994


at 1Hz the skin affect of copper is 65.19644702mm
at 50KHz the skin affect of copper is 0.291567375mm

 

Concluding that a single 24awg copper wire which is 0.511mm in diameter (0.255mm is radius) which current carrying capacity is roughly 0.5A, would be fully utilised from 1Hz-50kHz.

The only time it would start being an issue is around 65kHz where the skin affect becomes less than the radius of the cable, to which one could continue to calculate when the skin effect depth would be too small to carry 65mA in scenario.

 

It would seem that a single 24Awg copper cable is sufficient to run a pair of HD800s (300 ohm) headphones @ 1100mW output.

meaning 1x24AWG for L+, 1x24AWG for R+ and 2x smaller AWGs for gnd.

 

The only other arguement would be whether silver coated conductor would help the current at different frequencies move in anyway different that copper.


Edited by Gabrielisc - 1/30/12 at 1:14am
post #2 of 12

What do you mean these cables do not exist? Grados (125 and above) use 8x24. Anyone who uses mogami 2534 uses 4x24... 

post #3 of 12
Thread Starter 

I did not say they do not exist, I said I do not understand why they exist, whats the science/theory behind 8x24awg cables?

 

post #4 of 12

Ah. I misunderstood. Apologies. 

post #5 of 12

You're asking for science behind aftermarket cables? You're going to be looking for a very, very long time biggrin.gif

post #6 of 12
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Originally Posted by Gabrielisc View Post

I did not say they do not exist, I said I do not understand why they exist, whats the science/theory behind 8x24awg cables?


Look to economics for answers there.

 

It's good to see someone actually walk through the equations. Just be prepared for someone to say 18 Vrms isn't enough to adequately drive the HD800 biggrin.gif


Edited by Head Injury - 1/30/12 at 10:24am
post #7 of 12
Thread Starter 

I am more than happy for people to say that, but if the WA2/WA22 are supposedly amazing for the HD800, then theres no real arguement there tbh.

 

I believe the HD800s are rated around 500mw per driver or something like that? cant remember, anyways it doesn't matter.. my explanation pretty much shows that you cant really go wrong with 4x24awg cables...

 

Now comes the next question, why the heck do XLR female plugs use bronze contacts, and male plugs use silver/gold.

Ideally they should be made of the same material...

post #8 of 12
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Originally Posted by Gabrielisc View Post

Now comes the next question, why the heck do XLR female plugs use bronze contacts, and male plugs use silver/gold.

Ideally they should be made of the same material...


As far as PLATING goes, female plugs may be gold or silver. When you say bronze, you're talking about the underlying material the contacts are made of.

 

The reason the females use bronze, is because they're female. They fit over the male contacts and have to maintain spring pressure on them. Regular brass or copper don't make good springs. So female contacts are typically made with phosphor bronze (CuSn8) which does make good springs.

 

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post #9 of 12
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Eddy View Post


As far as PLATING goes, female plugs may be gold or silver. When you say bronze, you're talking about the underlying material the contacts are made of.

 

The reason the females use bronze, is because they're female. They fit over the male contacts and have to maintain spring pressure on them. Regular brass or copper don't make good springs. So female contacts are typically made with phosphor bronze (CuSn8) which does make good springs.

 

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Thank you very much for that, makes alot more sense now, noticed some XLR female plugs dont have any coating, just CuSn8... thats what I was confused about. 

post #10 of 12

 

What female XLR's have you seen that on? I don't recall ever seeing any that weren't gold, silver or nickel plated.

 

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post #11 of 12
Thread Starter 
Neutrik XLR plugs
 

 

Quote:
Contact plating
0.2 µm AuCo over 2 µm NiP15 (Tribor®)
Contacts
Bronze (CuSn6)

 

http://www.neutrik.com/en/xlr/a-series/nc4fah-0

for example.

 

post #12 of 12

Those are gold plated (cobalt/gold, over nickle) with bronze base. 

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