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post #3106 of 3116

Hi there! I'm looking for recommendation/help.

 

I have an ASUS G55VW-DH71 laptop with a VIA High Definition Audio sound card and recently got a Sennheiser G4me One headset to improve, mainly, my gaming experience.

 

First impression using the headset was underwhelming.

 

Gaming:

Playing BF3, the volume is quite low and the expected soundstage or positional cues are simply not as I hoped for, at least based on the reviews I've read. I also tried the Razer Surround software and even though I can detect an effort in the surround department, I did not find it clear or even pleasing enough to use it further. Some limited time in other games fared a bit better (Far Cry 3, Day of Defeat: Source) at least in the volume department.

 

Music:

Again I find the volume is not loud enough. In fact, my phone (Note II) with my Sennheiser-Adidas CX 680 earphones sound much louder and perhaps clearer (?) than the G4me One's.

 

So here I am researching on how to get the best out of my headset.

 

My primary wish is for the positional awareness I can get from FPS games and then an overall gaming experience. Music comes after but it's a big plus if it gets improved as well (I'd love to enjoy the occasional track through headphones).

 

From what I've read and listened to so far, my heart was set on CMSS-3D compared to other surround technologies and X-Fi Titanium HD as the sound card.

However, I have a laptop so I would need something external, so I found out about the X-Fi Surround 5.1 (which it seems it's a bit hard to find these days - discontinued?-).

 

Now, I read, in probably more than one place, that CMSS-3D on external sound cards is software based and not as good as in internal sound cards which is hardware based.

 

Is this true and does it apply to the X-Fi Surround 5.1?

Are there any other significant limitations of the X-Fi Surround 5.1 compared to X-Fi Titanium HD, especially ones that I would miss out based on my needs?

Any other recommendations?

 

I've also looked into Dac/Amps but I guess those don't help with gaming?

 

I should also note that I'm not bothered much with bass heavy sounds and that my onboard sound card has SPDIF, if that helps in any way.

 

Thank you. :)

post #3107 of 3116
Quote:
Originally Posted by paps79 View Post
 

Hi there! I'm looking for recommendation/help.

 

I have an ASUS G55VW-DH71 laptop with a VIA High Definition Audio sound card and recently got a Sennheiser G4me One headset to improve, mainly, my gaming experience.

 

First impression using the headset was underwhelming.

 

Gaming:

Playing BF3, the volume is quite low and the expected soundstage or positional cues are simply not as I hoped for, at least based on the reviews I've read. I also tried the Razer Surround software and even though I can detect an effort in the surround department, I did not find it clear or even pleasing enough to use it further. Some limited time in other games fared a bit better (Far Cry 3, Day of Defeat: Source) at least in the volume department.

 

Music:

Again I find the volume is not loud enough. In fact, my phone (Note II) with my Sennheiser-Adidas CX 680 earphones sound much louder and perhaps clearer (?) than the G4me One's.

 

So here I am researching on how to get the best out of my headset.

 

My primary wish is for the positional awareness I can get from FPS games and then an overall gaming experience. Music comes after but it's a big plus if it gets improved as well (I'd love to enjoy the occasional track through headphones).

 

From what I've read and listened to so far, my heart was set on CMSS-3D compared to other surround technologies and X-Fi Titanium HD as the sound card.

However, I have a laptop so I would need something external, so I found out about the X-Fi Surround 5.1 (which it seems it's a bit hard to find these days - discontinued?-).

 

Now, I read, in probably more than one place, that CMSS-3D on external sound cards is software based and not as good as in internal sound cards which is hardware based.

 

Is this true and does it apply to the X-Fi Surround 5.1?

Are there any other significant limitations of the X-Fi Surround 5.1 compared to X-Fi Titanium HD, especially ones that I would miss out based on my needs?

Any other recommendations?

 

I've also looked into Dac/Amps but I guess those don't help with gaming?

 

I should also note that I'm not bothered much with bass heavy sounds and that my onboard sound card has SPDIF, if that helps in any way.

 

Thank you. :)

X-Fi Surround 5.1 is hardware based so don't worry. There are no gaming difference in terms of sound compared to Titanium HD using CMSS-3D. The Titanium HD benefits a good sound in terms of Music compared to non-HD.

 

Since you are using a laptop, the X-Fi Surround 5.1 best fit for you and you can use it on a PC in the future if you want and just add another decent Headphone AMP/DAC combo for an excellent sound!


Edited by GoldenboyXD - Yesterday at 2:10 pm
post #3108 of 3116

Which external sound cards support Dolby Headphone? Are any of them driverless?

Such a thing would be an instant buy for me. I love the idea of plug n play audio that only depends on generic USB audio support. A switch to toggle between virtual surround and plain stereo would make my life so much easier.

post #3109 of 3116
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Originally Posted by Fegefeuer View Post
 

The future is bright :evil:

 

http://www.oculus.com/blog/oculus-connect-2014

 

 

 

http://realspace3daudio.com/

 

The closest thing i come to being like that picture, is the 3D vision 2 glasses.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by silikone View Post
 

Which external sound cards support Dolby Headphone? Are any of them driverless?

Such a thing would be an instant buy for me. I love the idea of plug n play audio that only depends on generic USB audio support. A switch to toggle between virtual surround and plain stereo would make my life so much easier.

Asus Xonar U3 is one that does support dolby headphone, it also has a combo jack for Spdif out with a mini toslink adapter.


Edited by genclaymore - Yesterday at 5:32 pm
post #3110 of 3116
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenboyXD View Post
 

X-Fi Surround 5.1 is hardware based so don't worry. There are no gaming difference in terms of sound compared to Titanium HD using CMSS-3D. The Titanium HD benefits a good sound in terms of Music compared to non-HD.

 

Since you are using a laptop, the X-Fi Surround 5.1 best fit for you and you can use it on a PC in the future if you want and just add another decent Headphone AMP/DAC combo for an excellent sound!

 

Thank you for the reply.

 

I've searched further though and the difference it seems is the lack of Game mode (missing MacroFX and Elevation Filter)?

So I guess I would be compromising as I've made a panic buy this morning on a new listing on ebay. :/

I hope it's still good enough (any idea what I would be missing?).

 

I'm curious about other options though. What are other popular external sound cards for gaming?

So far I've seen Asus Xonar U3 and U7 mentioned around.

post #3111 of 3116

Soundblaster Omi, soon Soundblaster X7

post #3112 of 3116
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Originally Posted by wilflare View Post

thanks. man. this sound business is expensive stuff -looks at wallet and weeps-

Don't cry to head-Fi man, you were repeatedly told on several threads that the Zx was the worst value in the current Soundblaster line. But you bought it anyway, and your recent post was the first time I remember you saying that you had an STX... The comparable Soundblaster model would've been the ZxR, though we would've still recommended against using the ACM unit.
post #3113 of 3116
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

Don't cry to head-Fi man, you were repeatedly told on several threads that the Zx was the worst value in the current Soundblaster line. But you bought it anyway, and your recent post was the first time I remember you saying that you had an STX... The comparable Soundblaster model would've been the ZxR, though we would've still recommended against using the ACM unit.

sigh. let me put it this way. I got a ZX at the price of a Z. there's no reason for me not to get a ZX then right?

and yeap, I used to have an STX when I first did up my current PC back in 2009 but sold it in 2010 or something and got the Audinst HUD-MX1. And now that I'm getting a soundcard again, it seems like I'm back to square one.. and perhaps I should never have should the STX then (I was predominantly a Speakers user then... Headphones are a recent thing for me)

and yea... the thought of getting a Schiit Stack to go along... wallet weeps.
post #3114 of 3116
The reason not to get the Zx (which I'll tell you again for like the fifth time or something, don't sigh at me), is because the only thing you get that's different between the Z and the Zx is the ACM, which will make the sound worse. The Soundcard part is literally exactly the same.

The ZxR has a DAC and amp on the level of the STX card (and both have swappable opamps), but I have no idea what the SQ of the audinst is. Stillhart had both an Omni (which has the same DAC as the Z and Zx) and an optical Modi at the same time (both connected to the same external amp), and he said that it was hard to distinguish between them. Later he tried two higher end DACs and then he definitely could hear a difference, but I trust him when he says the Modi was more of a sidegrade, again I would advise you to not waste money. The Magni might be an upgrade but I don't know for sure; personally I'm satisfied with the Omni bare for gaming when I don't feel like hooking up my higher end Bifrost Über and tube amp, I've never auditioned a Magni.

SIGH.
post #3115 of 3116
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

The reason not to get the Zx (which I'll tell you again for like the fifth time or something, don't sigh at me), is because the only thing you get that's different between the Z and the Zx is the ACM, which will make the sound worse. The Soundcard part is literally exactly the same.

The ZxR has a DAC and amp on the level of the STX card (and both have swappable opamps), but I have no idea what the SQ of the audinst is. Stillhart had both an Omni (which has the same DAC as the Z and Zx) and an optical Modi at the same time (both connected to the same external amp), and he said that it was hard to distinguish between them. Later he tried two higher end DACs and then he definitely could hear a difference, but I trust him when he says the Modi was more of a sidegrade, again I would advise you to not waste money. The Magni might be an upgrade but I don't know for sure; personally I'm satisfied with the Omni bare for gaming when I don't feel like hooking up my higher end Bifrost Über and tube amp, I've never auditioned a Magni.

SIGH.

 

thanks for the inputs on the Schiit Modi and Magni. Guess I'll hold it off for now. 

I was really thinking of just using the ZX for its DSP features and then let the Schiit Modi and Magni be the DAC and AMP respectively.

But since it's a sidegrade, guess I'll just hold off and see what else there is in the future.

 

The Magni is an interesting proposition - seeing how it's suggested by some to use with the Mixamp (for PS4) and I guess its quality as an amp should be pretty good as well (if not better than those on the Z/ZX?)

 

and thanks for the reminder on the ZX, I hear you. I really did hear you the first time. But I thought if I can get the ZX at the same price of a Z, why not. I probably won't use the ACM (looking at all your suggestions) but it is pretty convenient.

- So if I ever get sick of reaching over the rear of my PC to plug/unplug my headphones or miss adjusting the audio with a hardware knob, I might just plug it in... but for now, I probably won't use it.

(unless for the ZX, the ACM must be plugged for it to work... if that happens ><)

post #3116 of 3116
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Originally Posted by paps79 View Post
 

 

Thank you for the reply.

 

I've searched further though and the difference it seems is the lack of Game mode (missing MacroFX and Elevation Filter)?

So I guess I would be compromising as I've made a panic buy this morning on a new listing on ebay. :/

I hope it's still good enough (any idea what I would be missing?).

 

I'm curious about other options though. What are other popular external sound cards for gaming?

So far I've seen Asus Xonar U3 and U7 mentioned around.

The Game mode feature (MacroFX and Elevation Filter) for the other X-Fi card... I really don't know if there are any benefits but it was set as auto (default) and never changed it. lol

 

I can't recommend aside from Creative since i have not tried other brands and don't like Dolby Headphone effects in Games based from what I've heard in YT videos. In movies i think DH will be great though.

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