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Originally Posted by MrEleventy View Post

I've left the PC gaming scene quite a few years back when I decided to give up the constant upgrading cycles and just bought an xbox 360. This Christmas, I got a laptop that plays a decent amount of games at a decent quality and performance. Tie that in with the steam sale and now I'm loaded with games for pretty cheap. So far I've only been amping the HP jack so I can use my dt880/600s (Not ideal).

So here is my issue. I have a few usb dacs to play with. I thought my onboard soundcard was a Realtek so I would do the little usb output trick but now I don't think I can because my sound card is actually an IDT. There's very little mentions of this company on this thread and the advice found was to just get a ext usb sound card so I can output to an optical dac. Is that my only option? There's no software middlemen I can use? Trying to keep my chain short since I have limited desk space. Any suggestions would be great help.

 

 

So...you mean you've left the desktop PC gaming scene. ;)

 

I'm not sure about middleware software (apart from the free Razer surround one), but for external soundcards with surround I think your options are the Xonar U3 or the Sound Blaster Omni.

post #2492 of 3714

Had too Google this... IDT High Definition Audio CODEC. Used in Gateway PC's etc. Never heard of it. Seems to do 5.1 but if you're into games then just get a Xonar U3 (Dolby headphone) > your amp.

 

*** chico had same idea ***

post #2493 of 3714
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Originally Posted by MrEleventy View Post

I've left the PC gaming scene quite a few years back when I decided to give up the constant upgrading cycles and just bought an xbox 360. This Christmas, I got a laptop that plays a decent amount of games at a decent quality and performance. Tie that in with the steam sale and now I'm loaded with games for pretty cheap. So far I've only been amping the HP jack so I can use my dt880/600s (Not ideal).

So here is my issue. I have a few usb dacs to play with. I thought my onboard soundcard was a Realtek so I would do the little usb output trick but now I don't think I can because my sound card is actually an IDT. There's very little mentions of this company on this thread and the advice found was to just get a ext usb sound card so I can output to an optical dac. Is that my only option? There's no software middlemen I can use? Trying to keep my chain short since I have limited desk space. Any suggestions would be great help.

 

I use a Audio-GD NFB15.32 with my DT880 premium 600's work really well with them, it's a External dac amp tho you might not wanna pay $239 for it. You could get a dac like a modi or a HRT Music streamer 2 and use it with a Matrix  M-Stage amp if you can find the amp used or cheap enough or a schiit vali. 

 

Also Razer surround software works with external dac amp's I have once tried it and it did all right.


Edited by genclaymore - 1/17/14 at 1:49pm
post #2494 of 3714
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Originally Posted by SaLX View Post
 

Had too Google this... IDT High Definition Audio CODEC. Used in Gateway PC's etc. Never heard of it.

 

My laptop has "IDT High Definition Audio". 

 

It's......not great.  My Sansa Clip+ has a better HP amp.

 

 

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Originally Posted by genclaymore View Post
 

 

I use a Audio-GD NFB15.32 with my DT880 premium 600's work really well with them, it's a External dac amp tho you might not wanna pay $239 for it. You could get a dac like a modi or a HRT Music streamer 2 and use it with a Matrix  M-Stage amp if you can find the amp used or cheap enough. 

 

Also Razer surround software works with external dac amp's I have once tried it and it did all right.

 

If he only want's Razer's surround, that would work.  But if he wants SBX Pro or Dolby Headphone, the USB DACs won't work with it.

post #2495 of 3714
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post
 

 

My laptop has "IDT High Definition Audio". 

 

It's......not great.  My Sansa Clip+ has a better HP amp.

 

 

 

If he only want's Razer's surround, that would work.  But if he wants SBX Pro or Dolby Headphone, the USB DACs won't work with it.

The NFB15.32 has optical input so he can plug either optical from the Omni or the Asus U3 into the NFB15.32 and send SBX or Dolby Headphone into the the External dac amp. With the Vali as well as the Matrix M-Stage he can just use analog from the omni and U3. I should had said External Dac amp and not USB dac.  That's how I use the DGX thru optical to send over Dolby headphone into my NFB15.32 when I gaming, When I not I hit the switch back over to USB.


Edited by genclaymore - 1/17/14 at 2:02pm
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Yeah, optical is fine.  USB will be more limiting though for surround gaming.

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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post


So...you mean you've left the desktop PC gaming scene. wink.gif

I'm not sure about middleware software (apart from the free Razer surround one), but for external soundcards with surround I think your options are the Xonar U3 or the Sound Blaster Omni.
Well, I left the PC Gaming scene only to come crawling back when I got equipment that could handle it. lol The last few comps that I've had, I only used them for coding. The wifey gave me a bigger budget so I found something with a dedicated gfx card. biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

My laptop has "IDT High Definition Audio". 

It's......not great.  My Sansa Clip+ has a better HP amp.

If he only want's Razer's surround, that would work.  But if he wants SBX Pro or Dolby Headphone, the USB DACs won't work with it.
Yeah, that's what I figured. Is the X-Fi Surround 5.1 Pro any good? It's a good $20-30 cheaper than the Omni. I figured if I'm only using it DSP, I'd want to go cheap. Maybe even the X-FI Go or the U3.
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Originally Posted by genclaymore View Post

I use a Audio-GD NFB15.32 with my DT880 premium 600's work really well with them, it's a External dac amp tho you might not wanna pay $239 for it. You could get a dac like a modi or a HRT Music streamer 2 and use it with a Matrix  M-Stage amp if you can find the amp used or cheap enough or a schiit vali. 

Also Razer surround software works with external dac amp's I have once tried it and it did all right.
I've got dacs. I have a NFB12 on the way and own a few others at home. I wanted something more than just stereo gaming.
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What's the support like on Razer Surround? Is there enough adoption for it?
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It works ok but it's not perfect, you be better off using a cheap Asus Xonar U3 or a Creative X-FI go both have optical using the  3.5 to tos-link adapter. As the Razer surround has to be config correctly to your ears and if your off then it wont sound right.

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Originally Posted by MrEleventy View Post


 Is the X-Fi Surround 5.1 Pro any good? It's a good $20-30 cheaper than the Omni. I figured if I'm only using it DSP, I'd want to go cheap. Maybe even the X-FI Go or the U3.

 

 

The X-Fi Surround 5.1 Pro uses THX for it's DSP.  Nothing wrong with it I suppose, but most anecdotal comparisons I've seen have favored SBX Pro over THX surround.

 

It looks like there was an older X-Fi Surround 5.1 (non-"Pro") that had some kind of CMSS surround, but it's been discontinued.

 

 

Same thing with the X-Fi Go! Pro.  It uses THX.  There was a non-"pro" version of it as well, but I'm not sure if it had any surround DSPs on it. 

 

 

The U3 uses Dolby Headphone.  The Sound Blaster Omni uses SBX Pro.

post #2501 of 3714
Thread Starter 

IDT/SigmaTel...not a fan of those codecs, or more recent Analog Devices ones, for that matter. Drivers are quirkier and generally don't have modded packages like Realtek.

 

The X-Fi Go! and X-Fi Surround 5.1 non-Pro variants use CMSS-3D Headphone. Because of that, I actually prefer it to the newer Pro versions with THX TruStudio Surround; since they lack Game Mode (found only on real X-Fi products with the hardware DSP), you can't get CMSS-3D Headphone at all on those, and I still think THX TSP Surround is far inferior for positioning.

 

How do you tell apart the non-Pro variants from the Pro ones? Check the model number.

 

X-Fi Go! - SB1100

X-Fi Go! Pro - SB1290

X-Fi Surround 5.1 - SB1090

X-Fi Surround 5.1 Pro - SB1095

 

By the way, don't get either of the X-Fi Go! products if you're looking for virtual surround in software-mixed games; they ONLY have a stereo speaker output option in the Windows sound control panel, no possibility for 5.1/7.1 downmix with CMSS-3D Headphone or THX TSP Surround. You'd be limited to using them with DS3D/OpenAL games and having to use something else like Razer Surround for newer titles.

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I see. So it looks like I'm going either sb1090, omni or the u3. I've heard good things about the asus sound cards, going to do some more researching. thanks a bunch guys, you've been amazingly helpful.beerchug.gif
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Question re: using sound card as DSP to output to DAC...

 

Creative Settings:

Game Mode

CMSS-3D on

Speakers: Headphones

 

Windows Settings:

Creative X-Fi as default device

Creative X-Fi configured as 5.1

"What U Hear" listening to device, playback output to DAC

 

My question is, do I set the DAC speaker configuration in Windows settings to Stereo or 5.1? I feel like it should be stereo as the input from the X-Fi will be coming in as stereo (albeit CMSS-3D stereo).

 

EDIT: A second question, do I set in-game speaker configuration to stereo or 5.1? Aiiii-yaaa!


Edited by Acclaim - 1/19/14 at 12:00pm
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Came across this on monoprice today.

http://www.monoprice.com/Product/?c_id=114&cp_id=11403&cs_id=1140304&p_id=9771&seq=1&format=1#largeimage

Their surround gaming headset. But more specifically what caught my eye was the DAC/amp DSP box that has Dolby headphone.

Only odd thing is it features the g6 ports instead of 3.5mm. But there are 2 of them and it has optical in as well as line in.

Anyone have experience with this.?
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Originally Posted by DJINFERNO806 View Post

Came across this on monoprice today.

http://www.monoprice.com/Product/?c_id=114&cp_id=11403&cs_id=1140304&p_id=9771&seq=1&format=1#largeimage

Their surround gaming headset. But more specifically what caught my eye was the DAC/amp DSP box that has Dolby headphone.

Only odd thing is it features the g6 ports instead of 3.5mm. But there are 2 of them and it has optical in as well as line in.

Anyone have experience with this.?

 

It was discussed on MLE's thread about a year ago:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/534479/mad-lust-envys-headphone-gaming-guide-updated-1-9-2014-shure-srh1840-added/8550#post_8795667

 

I think the verdict ended up being that the decoder box shared a lot of the design with the box from the Sharkoon X-Tatic SR, and that it had some hiss to it so it wasn't really worth bothering with.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/534479/mad-lust-envys-headphone-gaming-guide-updated-1-9-2014-shure-srh1840-added/9360#post_8923053


Edited by chicolom - 1/19/14 at 12:14pm
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