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Since the 15.32 is now out of stock, is there any other Amp/DAC combo at that price range with optical in we can recommend to Woesty?

I'm having a hard time finding anything else.
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Need Low cost FPS PC game for testing SB-Z OEM with all my headphones.

Yesterday I ordered a SB-Z OEM, as I wanted test it's built in headphone amplifier to see how well it drives my different headphones (about 16 headphones). I'm not at all into FPS games (more like RTS games), so I need a FPS game for testing the SB-Z.

I need ideas on what low costing FPS PC game to get, it's ok if it's a slightly older game, I just want something cheap, I'll be loading the game on to my SSD boot drive, which has about 70GBs of free space as once, so the smaller the size of the game the better, after I use if for testing I'll just delete it off my SSD hard drive.

post #2403 of 3109
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Originally Posted by Woesty420 View Post
 

Should I not worry about the impedance so much between the k612s and q701s then and just decide on what I think would better suit my tastes? Rather then picking one to fit around the SB Z?

 

 

Yes, pick the headphone that will better suit your tastes, not the headphone that will fit better with the SB Z.

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Originally Posted by PurpleAngel View Post

Need Low cost FPS PC game for testing SB-Z OEM with all my headphones.
Yesterday I ordered a SB-Z OEM, as I wanted test it's built in headphone amplifier to see how well it drives my different headphones (about 16 headphones). I'm not at all into FPS games (more like RTS games), so I need a FPS game for testing the SB-Z.
I need ideas on what low costing FPS PC game to get, it's ok if it's a slightly older game, I just want something cheap, I'll be loading the game on to my SSD boot drive, which has about 70GBs of free space as once, so the smaller the size of the game the better, after I use if for testing I'll just delete it off my SSD hard drive.

I have an extra bf3 CD key if you want. Got it during a humble bundle but don't really need it. I also have fear 2 and 3 I think.

@woesty,

If you want an amp more than a DAC, you don't need optical in at all. Just need a straight forward amp connected from the lineout(no headphone surround) or headphone out(double amping). Some of the guys have had success in double ampjng the z. Although maybe more input is needed on this.
Edited by DJINFERNO806 - 1/8/14 at 12:34pm
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Originally Posted by DJINFERNO806 View Post

Since the 15.32 is now out of stock, is there any other Amp/DAC combo at that price range with optical in we can recommend to Woesty?

I'm having a hard time finding anything else.

I looked and looked, even checking out respected (?) Chinese brands like these: http://penonaudio.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=18 to pair with my SBZ, yet I kept coming back to Audio_gd's. The components on the ZxR (taking into account the useless extras) and the STX are kind of hard to beat really at that price (I was always looking for an external unit that could at least match them).

 

I think chicolom nailed it with the SBZ> optical > FiiO D03K(DAC) > Magni or O2 (AMP). You could replace the FiiO with the HiFimeDIY Sabre, they're both cheap. Then your AKG's will be driven well. MLE was really impressed with the D03K btw. As DJ said though, you could just connect the amp (a low gain one - I'd go for the O2) to the headphone out on the SBZ.

 

I'm sure the 15.32 will be back in stock very soon - maybe they're having supply problems, but best if you email Kingwa and ask. I am really happy with my Audio_GD amp; it'll last for ages and handle practically any headphone I throw at it in the future.

 

Purple... you can always try Planetside 2 for free... though it's not strictly a closed FPS. It's got pretty decent sound.


Edited by SaLX - 1/8/14 at 2:04pm
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I forgot to ask Sal, which DAC did you get in your compass? Wolfson, TI, sabre?
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Sabre.... very very nice. Burning in and changing and getting better. Thought it thin to begin with, but boy is it good now. It's in no way sterile or analytical.. just dynamic and enjoyable. And the bass is there too and the trebles are just right. I will order up the dual Wolfsons to compare.

 

** Oh.. and it works perfectly out of the SBZ via optical: surround sound etc all fine. Haven't installed Foobar yet, but USB works well too... no pops or crackles etc on both connections. Will have to try the line ins at some point **


Edited by SaLX - 1/8/14 at 2:05pm
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post
The three most popular virtual surround sound options are Dolby Headphone, SBX Pro, and CMSS-3D. 

 

Evshrug has a good post detailing them a bit here:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/646786/evshrugs-if-i-knew-then-what-i-know-now-discussion-journal#post_9067400

 

I also like Benbenkr's description of them here:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1392877/a-couple-questions-about-cmss-3d-dolby-headphone-and-similar-technologies#post_20049831

 

For Dolby Headphone, the Xonar DGX is the least expensive soundcard option.

For SBX Pro, it's the Sound Blaster Z OEM version.

For CMSS-3D, I'm not sure what the cheapest card is...X-Fi Titanium something or other?

 

Nice summary.

 

For CMSS-3D Headphone, the least-expensive PCI-Express card option is indeed the X-Fi Titanium (non-HD). There are cheaper cards, but you'd have to go PCI, and we all know a lot of newer motherboards don't even include PCI slots, let alone native PCI slots without some kind of bridge chip that tends to have quirks with sound cards as opposed to native chipset support.

 

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Originally Posted by avens View Post

Can I say something that makes (almost) no difference whatsoever?

 

I think this thread should be in the videogames section right next to mad lust's, both in sticky.

 

I considered requesting a thread move back when the Video Games Discussion section was first created, but figured that people looking for better PC gaming audio would be more likely to look in Computer Audio, and those who would look in Video Games Discussion would most certainly notice the link in Mad Lust Envy's thread there, as Evshrug pointed out.

 

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Originally Posted by PurpleAngel View Post

Need Low cost FPS PC game for testing SB-Z OEM with all my headphones.

Yesterday I ordered a SB-Z OEM, as I wanted test it's built in headphone amplifier to see how well it drives my different headphones (about 16 headphones). I'm not at all into FPS games (more like RTS games), so I need a FPS game for testing the SB-Z.

I need ideas on what low costing FPS PC game to get, it's ok if it's a slightly older game, I just want something cheap, I'll be loading the game on to my SSD boot drive, which has about 70GBs of free space as once, so the smaller the size of the game the better, after I use if for testing I'll just delete it off my SSD hard drive.

 

My usual go-to titles for FPS sound testing are Unreal Tournament (the original 1999 release needs the Old Unreal Multimedia Patch for OpenAL support) and classic Refractor engine Battlefield titles (1942 and Vietnam for DS3D, BF2 and 2142 for OpenAL).

 

Those should be plenty cheap and light in size these days, and flying aircraft in classic Battlefield is a great way to demonstrate 3D positional audio cues. When you don't have the luxury of TrackIR, padlock views or even hat switch view panning and mouselook forcefully relinquishes control over the aircraft (even with a joystick!), listening to their engine sounds is the best shot you've got at keeping track of what you can't see around you.

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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post
 

Damnit Microcenter! 

 

The 4770k is on sale the whole time the motherboard I want is out of stock.  So I had to wait.  Now they should be getting new motherboard shipments in this week, but they've taken the 4770k off sale again. :mad:  Just keep it on sale already!!

 

A week-and-a-half later and Micro Center still hasn't gotten any motherboards in stock.

 

WTF!?  :mad: 

post #2410 of 3109
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Originally Posted by SaLX View Post

Sabre.... very very nice. Burning in and changing and getting better. Thought it thin to begin with, but boy is it good now. It's in no way sterile or analytical.. just dynamic and enjoyable. And the bass is there too and the trebles are just right. I will order up the dual Wolfsons to compare.

** Oh.. and it works perfectly out of the SBZ via optical: surround sound etc all fine. Haven't installed Foobar yet, but USB works well too... no pops or crackles etc on both connections. Will have to try the line ins at some point **

I will be grabbing my z this Friday morning from my local ncix. They have the z retail at same price as oem shipped from newegg.ca so I'll just get the regular one and tape the LEDs as not to ruin my UV glow.

But to be honest I kind of wish I could grab a cheap x-fi to test cmss3d again. Its been a while maybe I could play with the eq and get rid of the tinny sound I didn't like. But they are hard to find in Canada in local stores besides the TiHD.

Oh well the Z and sbx surround make me more than happy.
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@DJ: Quite possibly with your new amp, which is a little warmer than neutral, it would naturally resolve the tinny surround from CMSS-3D (with a bit of EQ'ing too)???

 

Just been playing some Insurgency 2 (great squad shooter) and by god SBX sounds good on it to me. Easily picking up footsteps, explosions make you want to retreat (k I'm a big wuss) and the sonics from grazing bullets are fantastic. This is on an open headphone. Ingame comms are very clear too.

 

Also a quick note on the Audio_gd - there is no latency issues in games via optical.

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Is it ok/possible for me to install both ZxR and X-Fi HD and their respective drivers into the two slots available on my MB to do some sound comparisons? Won't screw anything up at all?

 

Cheers

 

Wayne

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Originally Posted by motorwayne View Post
 

Is it ok/possible for me to install both ZxR and X-Fi HD and their respective drivers into the two slots available on my MB to do some sound comparisons? Won't screw anything up at all?

Good question... I know that you can have a Xonar and a Creative together, but two Creative's might be risky. Hopefully somebody can answer this.

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I agree with Sal about Planetside 2, great free FPS with pretty good sound! Pretty hard to pick up positions though when you have 100s-1000s of people around!

 

Would you say the Fiio + Magni or O2 would be a better option connected to my SB Z or will the Audio GD 15.32 surpass the SQ? or is it more just preference?

 

Do I need an external DAC or would just picking up an external Amp and connecting via headphone jack be fine? I've heard DACs make difference in SQ but I've also heard they won't make that much of a difference...

 

If I don't need the DAC I would probably just grab an amp and do it that way or I think I might just wait for the 15.32 as it is a way simpler setup and looks like you have lots of options for future upgrades and what not.

 

You also mentioned latency, is there any worry about any of these setups with latency in games? Do not want that or it defeats purpose of positional sound and being able to get the jump on people lol

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Originally Posted by motorwayne View Post

Is it ok/possible for me to install both ZxR and X-Fi HD and their respective drivers into the two slots available on my MB to do some sound comparisons? Won't screw anything up at all?

Cheers

Wayne

That's a can of worms right there man.

Even the creative manual for the z says you shouldn't have other sound blaster cards.

But I think you should try and let us know of the results. Won't harm the cards, worst case scenario you'd have to uninstal one and do it seperatly.

@Woesty

I have never used the d03k but I can say it would be obvious that the dual Wolfson design in the 15.32 would be superior. Apart from the that, the separate power supply and filters added to the unit would benefit the noise floor and the harmonics in general I'm sure. How much better it will sound, could be a bit or a lot. Hard to say. Maybe someone who has used both can speak on that.

The latency issues a few reported with optical out was due to using Dolby or DTS encoding. When you output the stereo down mixed stream, its just a simple PCM uncompressed 2 channel signal. No latency unless your windows sound stack has gone completely bonkers. But you'd have this latency with all sound, so you'd know by now.
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