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^ thanks for the find!!!
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You can specify in VLCs options which audio device to use and whether it not its decoded. Just make sure you have the hdmi devices options to "allow applications to take control of this device".
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I have a bit of an ancillary question.

 

I want to start being able to watch Blu-ray discs with surround headphone sound. I have been attempting to do a lot of reading on this topic the last month but I always end up in threads with dead ends and such.

 

I guess I will propose the easiest solution first... is it possible to watch/listen to Blu-ray discs from my computer if I install a Blu-ray disc drive and software (i.e. PowerDVD) and then somehow use my Creative X-Fi Titanium (Non-HD) to send a virtual surround signal to my Schiit stack (Bifrost + Asgard)? 

 

I have not been able to figure out if the X-Fi Titanium is capable of this. I see in the sound card's software that I can "enable Dolby Digital Live" or "enable DTS Interactive". I already use the X-Fi Titanium extensively for gaming (the CMSS-3D headphone shines beautifully for some game I play like Killing Floor which uses the Unreal Tournament 2004 engine). And then I send the stereo mix through an optical cable to my Bifrost.

 

But now I really want to add some Blu-ray capabilities into the mix. Would I somehow be able to do DTS or Dolby headphone with what I've got or would I have to buy an external decoder like an Astro Mixamp and use this with a standalone Blu-ray player/video game console?

 

Or should I just sell my Schiit stack and get a home theater receiver and plug a standalone Blu-ray player + PC into that? I would feel as if my Schiit stack would be capable of offering better quality for specifically headphones, so this seems less appealing as I only really use headphones for all my entertainment needs. 

 

Any other setup ideas are welcome.

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Originally Posted by TwelveTrains View Post
 

I have a bit of an ancillary question.

 

I want to start being able to watch Blu-ray discs with surround headphone sound. I have been attempting to do a lot of reading on this topic the last month but I always end up in threads with dead ends and such.

 

I guess I will propose the easiest solution first... is it possible to watch/listen to Blu-ray discs from my computer if I install a Blu-ray disc drive and software (i.e. PowerDVD) and then somehow use my Creative X-Fi Titanium (Non-HD) to send a virtual surround signal to my Schiit stack (Bifrost + Asgard)? 

 

I have not been able to figure out if the X-Fi Titanium is capable of this. I see in the sound card's software that I can "enable Dolby Digital Live" or "enable DTS Interactive". I already use the X-Fi Titanium extensively for gaming (the CMSS-3D headphone shines beautifully for some game I play like Killing Floor which uses the Unreal Tournament 2004 engine). And then I send the stereo mix through an optical cable to my Bifrost.

 

But now I really want to add some Blu-ray capabilities into the mix. Would I somehow be able to do DTS or Dolby headphone with what I've got or would I have to buy an external decoder like an Astro Mixamp and use this with a standalone Blu-ray player/video game console?

 

Or should I just sell my Schiit stack and get a home theater receiver and plug a standalone Blu-ray player + PC into that? I would feel as if my Schiit stack would be capable of offering better quality for specifically headphones, so this seems less appealing as I only really use headphones for all my entertainment needs. 

 

Any other setup ideas are welcome.


I'm in the same boat with using Cyberlinks PowerDVD 11 Ultra and my Essence STX, the STX outputs optical to my external NFB-15.32 DAC/amp.

I'm guessing if you set PowerDVD to "Headphone", it will output processed Headphone Surround Sound in a 2-channel signal, so you set you Titanium HD to 2-channel input, set the Titanium-HD to PCM, so the Titanium-HD will then output that signal out it's optical port to the Biforst/Asgard.

I'm assuming (guessing) PowerDVD can process Dolby and DTS headphone surround sound.

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I'm in the same boat with using Cyberlinks PowerDVD 11 Ultra and my Essence STX, the STX outputs optical to my external NFB-15.32 DAC/amp.

I'm guessing if you set PowerDVD to "Headphone", it will output processed Headphone Surround Sound in a 2-channel signal, so you set you Titanium HD to 2-channel input, set the Titanium-HD to PCM, so the Titanium-HD will then output that signal out it's optical port to the Biforst/Asgard.

I'm assuming (guessing) PowerDVD can process Dolby and DTS headphone surround sound.

Thanks for the reply, I have the non-HD version of the X-Fi Titanium by the way. Would that make a difference?

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Originally Posted by TwelveTrains View Post
 

Thanks for the reply, I have the non-HD version of the X-Fi Titanium by the way. Would that make a difference?


Nope, between the Titanium and Titanium-HD, the optical output features are the same.

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Nope, between the Titanium and Titanium-HD, the optical output features are the same.

Cool, thanks.

 

I just tried doing a test run with a regular DVD (I already have a DVD drive) to get some headphone surround sound. I tried using a copy of Casino Royale which is supposedly Dolby 5.1 and playing it in VLC media player. I enabled some things in the VLC settings; "use S/PDIF when available", "force detection of Dolby Surround - On", "Dolby Surround - On", and "Headphone surround effect" box checked.

 

I can't seem to enable Dolby Digital Live in my Creative Volume Control panel. I get a message saying "The Creative Audio Service is not started. Please reinstall the application." However, I simply followed instructions here http://support.creative.com/kb/ShowArticle.aspx?sid=88899 and was able to start this service again, however the message persists, and "Enable Dolby DTS" will not remain checked in the Creative Panel.

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Originally Posted by TwelveTrains View Post
 

Cool, thanks.

 

I just tried doing a test run with a regular DVD (I already have a DVD drive) to get some headphone surround sound. I tried using a copy of Casino Royale which is supposedly Dolby 5.1 and playing it in VLC media player. I enabled some things in the VLC settings; "use S/PDIF when available", "force detection of Dolby Surround - On", "Dolby Surround - On", and "Headphone surround effect" box checked.

 

I can't seem to enable Dolby Digital Live in my Creative Volume Control panel. I get a message saying "The Creative Audio Service is not started. Please reinstall the application." However, I simply followed instructions here http://support.creative.com/kb/ShowArticle.aspx?sid=88899 and was able to start this service again, however the message persists, and "Enable Dolby DTS" will not remain checked in the Creative Panel.

So you have set VLC to take 6-channel (5.1) of audio and process it into 2-channels of Dolby Headphone surround sound.

(I would have assumed PowerDVD would be preferred for play all Bl;u-ray & DVD movie disks).

 

You have no use for DDL (Dolby Digital Live) compression with what you are doing, your only trying to send 2-channels of audio thru S/PDIF (optical), you would only need DDL if you were trying to pass more then 2-channels thru S/PDIF.

Also the Bifrost/Asgard can not uncompress DDL audio anyway.

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Originally Posted by PurpleAngel View Post
 

So you have set VLC to take 6-channel (5.1) of audio and process it into 2-channels of Dolby Headphone surround sound.

(I would have assumed PowerDVD would be preferred for play all Bl;u-ray & DVD movie disks).

 

You have no use for DDL (Dolby Digital Live) compression with what you are doing, your only trying to send 2-channels of audio thru S/PDIF (optical), you would only need DDL if you were trying to pass more then 2-channels thru S/PDIF.

Also the Bifrost/Asgard can not uncompress DDL audio anyway.

Ah yes, I may realize now where my confusion came from. 

 

So would this quality level of headphone surround be comparable to something like Silent Cinema which Yamaha receivers do or the Astro Mixamp?

I guess I was never looking for a Dolby Digital Decoder afterall?

 

Sorry, with every answer it seems like I always just have more questions...:D 

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Originally Posted by TwelveTrains View Post
 

Ah yes, I may realize now where my confusion came from. 

So would this quality level of headphone surround be comparable to something like Silent Cinema which Yamaha receivers do or the Astro Mixamp?

I guess I was never looking for a Dolby Digital Decoder afterall?

Sorry, with every answer it seems like I always just have more questions...:D 

I would assume the Yamaha Silent Cinema is a very basic Headphone Surround Sound, easier to make it work with different movie audio, Dolby, DTS, etc.

And I would assume Creative's CMSS-3D was foremost designed for gaming audio (like FPS?) and secondly for movies.

Dolby Headphone has it's roots in movie audio, I know some games have come with a "Home Theater" setting, which i guess helps when using Dolby (and maybe DTS) for gaming.

What gaming improvement Dolby might have done with it's software is not something I'm knowledgeable about.

From my best understanding, Microsoft made Dolby the default audio for the xBox (Not sure what the xBox One default audio is?) and the Astro Mix-amp originally came with Dolby (not sure if that has changed), so the Astro is really just fine for gaming consoles.

The $25 Asus Xonar DG sound card gives any Win PC just as good gaming features, as any Astro mix-amp.

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Originally Posted by PurpleAngel View Post
 

I would assume the Yamaha Silent Cinema is a very basic Headphone Surround Sound, easier to make it work with different movie audio, Dolby, DTS, etc.

And I would assume Creative's CMSS-3D was foremost designed for gaming audio (like FPS?) and secondly for movies.

Dolby Headphone has it's roots in movie audio, I know some games have come with a "Home Theater" setting, which i guess helps when using Dolby (and maybe DTS) for gaming.

What gaming improvement Dolby might have done with it's software is not something I'm knowledgeable about.

From my best understanding, Microsoft made Dolby the default audio for the xBox (Not sure what the xBox One default audio is?) and the Astro Mix-amp originally came with Dolby (not sure if that has changed), so the Astro is really just fine for gaming consoles.

The $25 Asus Xonar DG sound card gives any Win PC just as good gaming features, as any Astro mix-amp.

So when watching a movie on a PC, the software (i.e. PowerDVD, VLC) does the Dolby Digital decoding?

On a console, something like the Astro Mixamp is needed to decode Dolby Digital?

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Originally Posted by TwelveTrains View Post
 

So when watching a movie on a PC, the software (i.e. PowerDVD, VLC) does the Dolby Digital decoding?

On a console, something like the Astro Mixamp is needed to decode Dolby Digital?

In general that sounds about right.

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COOL:evil:

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I've been going back and forth between the schiit stack and a sound card but have finally decided on the schiits. If I purchase the creative mb3 software suite for when I game (sbx) there shouldn't be any audio effects difference from the actual sound card solution, correct? 

 

CPU overhead isn't really a concern being that nothing has come close to really pushing my CPU.

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Originally Posted by Breaker View Post
 

I've been going back and forth between the Schiit stack and a sound card but have finally decided on the Schiits. If I purchase the creative mb3 software suite for when I game (SBX) there shouldn't be any audio effects difference from the actual sound card solution, correct? 

 

CPU overhead isn't really a concern being that nothing has come close to really pushing my CPU.


Usually when you connect an external USB DAC to a computer, it bypasses the sound card (built in or add-on internal).

And I believe the Creative MB3 software depends on the on-board audio processor.

Not sure if the Creative software can still output thru a USB port.

 

An external sound card can work thru a USB port.

 

Maybe there is a forum at Creative Labs whre you can ask about the software.

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