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post #16 of 29

Just a small tip for people interested in these two - can't speak to an A/B (although headphoneaddict's review of the Audioengine D1 with a comparison to the iBasso D4 is a start point), however if you order the Audioengine D1 from Crutchfield and use coupon 3a825 it will be $20 off w/ free shipping (currently out of stock but can place order). By comparison there's an extra $22 shipping charge on the iBasso d7 from the official site :(. Leads to a $50+ difference


Edited by the_dong146 - 3/3/12 at 11:07pm
post #17 of 29

Thanks the_dong146 for the heads up, just ordered one. I got this mainly so I won't have to plug audio jack into my Mac, instead they speakers and cans will go to the amp and USB to the back of my Thunderbolt display. :)

post #18 of 29

Something to consider other than these options is the HRT HeadStreamer.  It's got asynchronous USB and analog (post-dac) volume control. I use this with a few laptops running Fidelizer 2.1 & JRiver MC17 into UERMs.  The JRiver volume slider controls the analog attenuator in the HRT.  The only downside is the 24/96 limit.  Customer service is incredible; Kevin Halverson (CTO) even helped me optimize my JRiver settings.  The D7 carried too much electrical noise to be usable for me.  The D1 is reported here on HF to have to much gain (too loud) for custom IEMs.

 

Key features are:

Asynchronous USB
up to 24 bit / 96 kHz
Sample Rate / Mute LED Indicators
High Performance Headphone Amplifier
Digitally Controlled Analog Attentuator (under host control)
HRT 1/2 meter USB cable and black velvet carry pouch
61mm x 25mm x 76mm; 89g

$139

post #19 of 29

Hi there,

 

This is a question for your ears.

Any opinion about upgrading to either iBasso D7 or AudioEngine D1 from a humble and half-priced FiiO E10?

I'm looking for an upgrade of my portable DAC/ampli at the price range of<$200 and wondering if there is any real upgrade for that money.

Not a "placebo" upgrade according to the specs or the brand but one that ears and not eyes would appreciate!

And please take me wrong, nothing bad with placebos but my very tight budget does not allow room for such things these days.

 

Any users that have tried at least the FiiO and one of the others or even better all of them (optimism is always a good thing!) ?

 

To Bluishgreen:

I would much appreciate if you could post an update about your upgrade from the E10. Practically on the same boat as you a few weeks back... I totally agree that E10 is ok but muddled, I also listen with the nice and simple DT880 Pro.

 

Thanks for your time guys, all the best

 

G.  happy_face1.gif   (Windows laptop - Apple lossless files - J River MC17 - FiiO E10 - Beyerdynamic DT880 Pro)

 

 

PS Please forgive my English, apparently not my mother tongue...

post #20 of 29


 

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Originally Posted by Photogeo180 View Post

 

To Bluishgreen:

I would much appreciate if you could post an update about your upgrade from the E10. Practically on the same boat as you a few weeks back... I totally agree that E10 is ok but muddled, I also listen with the nice and simple DT880 Pro.

 

Thanks for your time guys, all the best

 

G.  happy_face1.gif   (Windows laptop - Apple lossless files - J River MC17 - FiiO E10 - Beyerdynamic DT880 Pro)

 

 

PS Please forgive my English, apparently not my mother tongue...


The E10 is a pretty good DAC/amp for only around US$80--it was the first Fiio that I actually liked.  I haven't used it with any of my bigger phones in awhile, so I'm going on memory.  I wouldn't call it a huge difference, but it was definitely an upgrade in sound.  I'd say that, like the E10, the D7 is slightly warm, but I think that the D7's warmth doesn't congest things quite as much as the E10, so the D7 is a bit clearer--especially with the mids.  Probably the main difference I noticed was that the soundstage of the D7 is a bit more natural.  The E10 has a fairly big soundstage that sometimes sounded a bit artificial to me, with almost a reverb-like quality at times.  Because of this, I remember when going back-and-fourth between the two devices, the D7's soundstage sounded almost flat in comparison.  But in reality, the D7's soundstage is just more natural without trying to do too much.  The E10's amp is a bit more powerful than the D7's, although the D7 still powers my DT880's (250ohm) fine. 

 

Hope this helps some.

 

post #21 of 29
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Originally Posted by bluishgreen View Post


 


The E10 is a pretty good DAC/amp for only around US$80--it was the first Fiio that I actually liked.  I haven't used it with any of my bigger phones in awhile, so I'm going on memory.  I wouldn't call it a huge difference, but it was definitely an upgrade in sound.  I'd say that, like the E10, the D7 is slightly warm, but I think that the D7's warmth doesn't congest things quite as much as the E10, so the D7 is a bit clearer--especially with the mids.  Probably the main difference I noticed was that the soundstage of the D7 is a bit more natural.  The E10 has a fairly big soundstage that sometimes sounded a bit artificial to me, with almost a reverb-like quality at times.  Because of this, I remember when going back-and-fourth between the two devices, the D7's soundstage sounded almost flat in comparison.  But in reality, the D7's soundstage is just more natural without trying to do too much.  The E10's amp is a bit more powerful than the D7's, although the D7 still powers my DT880's (250ohm) fine. 

 

Hope this helps some.

 



Helps a lot!

Thank you very much for your time.

 

post #22 of 29

Also looking at these two right now.

Just wanted to bump in case someone had something to say =)

post #23 of 29

Bumping this as well. Also looking at the Fiio E17.
 

Edit: Steve Guttenberg of CNET likes the E17, and even the E10, better than the Audioengine D1.

 

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13645_3-57381659-47/fiios-tiny-and-extraordinary-sounding-headphone-amplifiers/

 

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Compared with the Audioengine D1 DAC/headphone amp ($160), the E10 sounded clearer, bigger, and better when I cranked the volume way up. Funny, the E10 was half the size of the D1, and when I switched on the bass boost the E10 stomped all over the D1. I started to see why the Fiio fanboys really love these amplifiers! The E10 rocks!... The E17 sounded even better than the E10. I could hear "deeper" into my recordings, so the quieter sounds of reverberation and ambience were newly evident. Bass was just as deep, but the tactile feel of bass drums was remarkable.

 

Take it FWIW.


Edited by AndyTheDrifter - 4/23/12 at 12:51pm
post #24 of 29
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Originally Posted by kwlinca View Post

Something to consider other than these options is the HRT HeadStreamer.  It's got asynchronous USB and analog (post-dac) volume control. I use this with a few laptops running Fidelizer 2.1 & JRiver MC17 into UERMs.  The JRiver volume slider controls the analog attenuator in the HRT.  The only downside is the 24/96 limit.  Customer service is incredible; Kevin Halverson (CTO) even helped me optimize my JRiver settings.  The D7 carried too much electrical noise to be usable for me.  The D1 is reported here on HF to have to much gain (too loud) for custom IEMs.

 

 

I have both the ibasso D7 and the HeadStreamer.  While I would definitely recommend the HeadStreamer to anyone looking for a good unit under US$150, I still think the D7 has a more refined sound.  The HeadStreamer is pretty good quality--some people note it as a bit "treble hot", although I think I'd slate it more as a tad "presence hot" which by itself isn't too noticeable, but when A/B tested against the D7, sounds a bit harsher in comparison.

 

The main thing is that the HeadStreamer is a more ad-hoc product.  While the D7 has various output jacks and a gain switch to make it more than just a headphone unit, the HeadStreamer has no extra output devices or features.  The HeadSteamer is simply a dead-simple headphone unit, and does it very well.  And the way it handles the volume control makes it even more simple--eliminating the confusion for many newcomers around how to handle multiple volumes in the chain.

 

My only complaint with the HeadStreamer is that the amp is not very powerful, and is no louder than the built-in headphone jack on my MacBook Air, and so I sometimes have to put the volume to 100% when using my DT880's w/albums recorded at lower levels (however, I should point-out that the quality doesn't deteriorate at all, even at 100% volume).  I can definitely see the HeadStreamer as being great with IEMs, but bigger, harder-to-drive phones could be an issue.

 

With shipping, the D7 was ~US$200 and only available direct from ibasso, while the HeadStreamer was only ~US$140 and available via various vendors on Amazon (and since I'm a Prime member, the shipping was free for me).  The D7 also has the goofy USB driver power warnings (see the "D7 first impressions" thread) since it uses a newer USB sound standard than most devices, and around 1/3 of the time when I come out of sleep mode, I have to reboot my Air to get it to recognize the D7 again--more of a nuisance than anything, but the HeadStreamer has no such issues (it "just works").

 

Basically, if the price difference isn't an issue and you're specifically looking at sound quality (unless of course, you prefer a slightly higher treble/presence signature) and/or want the flexibility of all the other output options and having a 192kHz sample rate, then the D7 is the way to go.  However, if you just want a simple, headphone-only DAC/amp unit with high-quality sound, and want a somewhat lower price point, then the HeadStreamer is definitely a really good option if you don't have really hard-to-drive phones.  In terms of someone looking for a similar entry-level unit, I'd put the HeadStreamer above the Fiio E10 (usually ~US$75) in terms of sound quality (a bit clearer overall and a more natural soundstage) although the E10 has a somewhat more powerful amp (maybe by ~20%) and has bass boost functionality.


Edited by bluishgreen - 5/23/12 at 7:38am
post #25 of 29
Nice impression bluishgreen! really usefull, at least for me.

Thanks.
post #26 of 29

Nice to see the D1 getting some discussion time...I picked one up a couple months ago and love it. Very tough to beat this DAC at it's price point, and even slightly above it. 

 

Here's a good review for those interested: http://www.avguide.com/review/audioengine-d1-dacheadphone-amp-playback-54

 

I use it mainly as a stand-alone DAC, but honestly I'm really impressed by the headamp section, as well. My Grado PS500s sound remarkably good out of it. 

post #27 of 29

Anymore opinions would be useful. The Headstreamer looks quite nice, nice to see it's made in the USA too. It has a PCM1793 which is interesting to see too.

post #28 of 29

Hey guys,

 

I can find a d1 for $140 brand new in a store, should i go for it. I am looking to buy the dt770 pro 80 ohm headphones and i was looking to spend less than 200 for an amp/dac combo. I dont have my headphones yet but at this price i figure why not. The optical is an added bonus as i will be using it with an xbox and a macbook pro. Will it even drive the 250 ohm versions adequately?


Edited by dcolaco - 11/28/12 at 8:05am
post #29 of 29
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Originally Posted by dcolaco View Post

Hey guys,

 

I can find a d1 for $140 brand new in a store, should i go for it. I am looking to buy the dt770 pro 80 ohm headphones and i was looking to spend less than 200 for an amp/dac combo. I dont have my headphones yet but at this price i figure why not. The optical is an added bonus as i will be using it with an xbox and a macbook pro. Will it even drive the 250 ohm versions adequately?


bumping this up again as i too have dt770s, mine are 250 ohm and im looking for a dac/amp that can power them to higher than necessary volumes. i play around with an equalizer very often and i sometimes boost bass from 3-10 db. this is why i need more power than actually necessary, because of subsequent loss of volume to other frequencies.

 

currently trying to make up my mind between the audioengine d1 and the ibasso d7. any input?

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