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Great Tyll! Look forward to reading it.

 

BTW. Will you ever do a Ultrasone Sig Pro review? Did you just not like it enough to do a full review? Trying to find the "ultimate" closed phone.


Nah, don't like the Sig Pro quite enough....it's the best Ultrasone I've heard though.

 

I think the Senn Momentum is pretty darn good. The hard call, it seems to me, is between the UE6000, M-100, and Momentum.  They all have their strong and weak points. Stay tuned.

post #9332 of 21250
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Nah, don't like the Sig Pro quite enough....it's the best Ultrasone I've heard though.

 

I think the Senn Momentum is pretty darn good. The hard call, it seems to me, is between the UE6000, M-100, and Momentum.  They all have their strong and weak points. Stay tuned.

 

I thought Momentum had very bad sound for their asking price, actually shockingly so. Bass bleeds into mids a bit, not the tightest bass, slightly too emphasized highs which can be slightly sibilant at times and recessed midrange with lacking micro details and soundstage was pretty average. How much would I pay for it? About $150 if I was an "on-the-go" listener, now I'm not so would more pay like $100. A HD25-II was a huge upgrade already in my book sound wise.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 11/11/12 at 12:09pm
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Can anyone post pictures of their M100s Shadows?

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I thought Momentum had very bad sound for their asking price, actually shockingly so. Bass bleeds into mids a bit, not the tightest bass, slightly too emphasized highs which can be slightly sibilant at times and recessed midrange with lacking micro details and soundstage was pretty average. How much would I pay for it? About $150 if I was an "on-the-go" listener, now I'm not so would more pay like $100. A HD25-II was a huge upgrade already in my book sound wise.


Perhaps it's a difference in opinions/tastes? Don't forget that Tyll really loves warm-sounding headphones.

He gave the Amperior a glowing review and upon trying it multiple times at Apple Stores with my own source and amp, I still fail to see why people like it so much considering the price. It was OK, but it wasn't $350 OK. The aluminium vs plastic housing marketing-jargon doesn't work for me.

 

 

 

 

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Can anyone post pictures of their M100s Shadows?

HeadphoneAddict posted a few photos in his review.

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Edited by miceblue - 11/11/12 at 1:20pm
post #9335 of 21250
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Nice...I'll have to read it when I'm not tired at 2:25 AM.

 

BUT, while I AM still awake...that's one HELLAVA long video review.


Great Great Review my man !!!! Really like the focus on the sound quality. Extensive !!

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Great Great Review my man !!!! Really like the focus on the sound quality. Extensive !!


Thanks! I was intending to spend most of the time talking about the sound quality of the M-100 since most video reviews skim past the sound quality in less than 2 minutes at the end of the video and instead talk about how great the aesthetics/accessories are and compare them to X headphone(s) instead of itself.

 

 

I partially read through HeadphoneAddict's review and he does mention the slight "veiling" (AKA what I used to call bass bleed) into the lower midrange. My "average" EQ shows that I mostly lowered the 125 Hz region ~2.5 dB as well.

 

I combined 11 EQ screenshots into 1 to get this "average" EQ

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post #9337 of 21250
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Perhaps it's a difference in opinions/tastes? Don't forget that Tyll really loves warm-sounding headphones.

He gave the Amperior a glowing review and upon trying it multiple times at Apple Stores with my own source and amp, I still fail to see why people like it so much considering the price. It was OK, but it wasn't $350 OK. The aluminium vs plastic housing marketing-jargon doesn't work for me.

 

Momentums weren't warm sounding for me, they had boosted bass, sure but in my ears warmness was always about midrange vs highs balance and a V-shape sound doesn't sound warm, that's "cold" for me or bright. For example Fostex T50rp, not boosted/a bit recessed bass vs very forward mids and a bit rolled-off highs is a warm sounding headphone. I found also Sennheiser HD 598 warmer sounding and HD25-II and AKG K727 HD too (but none of those are really warm sounding fairly neutral tonality in that aspect).


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 11/11/12 at 1:52pm
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Momentums weren't warm sounding for me, they had boosted bass, sure but in my ears warmness was always about midrange vs highs balance and a V-shape sound doesn't sound warm, that's "cold" for me or bright. For example Fostex T50rp, not boosted/a bit recessed bass vs very forward mids and a bit rolled-off highs is a warm sounding headphone. I found also Sennheiser HD 598 warmer sounding and HD25-II and AKG K727 HD too (but none of those are really warm sounding fairly neutral tonality in that aspect).

Ah that seems to make sense.

I called the M-100's warm in my video, when it's probably more "cold" in the regards that the upper-mids/lower-highs are slightly emphasised. The HD650 would probably be a classic example of a warm-sounding headphone, but the M-100 has more treble energy from what I can recall (more "V-shaped").

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warm The same as dark, but less tilted. A certain amount of warmth is a normal part of musical sound.
 
dark A warm, mellow, excessively rich quality in reproduced sound. The audible effect of a frequency response which is clockwise-tilted across the entire range, so that output diminishes with increasing frequency.
 
 
bright, brilliant The most often misused terms in audio, these describe the degree to which reproduced sound has a hard, crisp edge to it. Brightness relates to the energy content in the 4kHz-8kHz band. It is not related to output in the extreme-high-frequency range. All live sound has brightness; it is a problem only when it is excessive.
 
cold The same as "cool," only more so. Having somewhat excessive upper-range output and weak lower-range output.

 

Gah these audio terms. >.<


Edited by miceblue - 11/11/12 at 2:01pm
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HeadphoneAddict posted a few photos in his review.

Yeah I saw those, but I should have specified that I wanted to see them with non stock shields tongue.gif. Basically trying to decide what color custom shields to get with the M100s in Shadow.

Im not really sure what looks good with them.

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When I get my M-100 shadows, I am going to keep the standard brushed alluminium shields. I personally think they look the best out of the selection with the head band etc.

 

miceblue, nice review :) Glad to hear you listen to chip music too. I love that stuff sometimes :D I also like yourself listen to very varied types of music. Trash80 is on Youtube too, and just tracked down the bit.trip sound track too, haha. Mainly be using Spotify for mobile listening on phone, etc, as it has everything pretty much I listen to.


Edited by musical-kage - 11/11/12 at 5:18pm
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I am really sorry to say this - but even after bending, I can't get these to stop giving headaches after 45+ minutes. The pads are fine now that I have bent the angle of the cups, but something is really making me dizzy when I wear these. It may be the headband on my head, the clamping force, or something else, but I've never had this happen before with anything but my old TMA-1's.

 

It's sad because I like/love the sound. It seems like these just aren't made for me... 

 

I will probably be selling these soon - if someone wants to help a fellow Head-Fi'er out and buy my pair, I'd be really grateful. I'll be sad to see 'em go.

post #9342 of 21250
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I am really sorry to say this - but even after bending, I can't get these to stop giving headaches after 45+ minutes. The pads are fine now that I have bent the angle of the cups, but something is really making me dizzy when I wear these. It may be the headband on my head, the clamping force, or something else, but I've never had this happen before with anything but my old TMA-1's.

 

It's sad because I like/love the sound. It seems like these just aren't made for me... 

 

I will probably be selling these soon - if someone wants to help a fellow Head-Fi'er out and buy my pair, I'd be really grateful. I'll be sad to see 'em go.

Oh, in what way did you bend the cups?

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Oh, in what way did you bend the cups?

I gripped the far left and right of the headband in my fists (above the plastic - on the leather/fabric) and bent it slightly so the cups formed a "V"-shape with the opening towards me. I did this because it was usually the tip of my ears that hit the driver, not the rest.

post #9344 of 21250
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Originally Posted by BRSxIgnition View Post

I am really sorry to say this - but even after bending, I can't get these to stop giving headaches after 45+ minutes. The pads are fine now that I have bent the angle of the cups, but something is really making me dizzy when I wear these. It may be the headband on my head, the clamping force, or something else, but I've never had this happen before with anything but my old TMA-1's.

It's sad because I like/love the sound. It seems like these just aren't made for me... 

I will probably be selling these soon - if someone wants to help a fellow Head-Fi'er out and buy my pair, I'd be really grateful. I'll be sad to see 'em go.

I'll buy them from you, how much? And in what color do you have them in?
post #9345 of 21250
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Originally Posted by BRSxIgnition View Post

I am really sorry to say this - but even after bending, I can't get these to stop giving headaches after 45+ minutes. The pads are fine now that I have bent the angle of the cups, but something is really making me dizzy when I wear these. It may be the headband on my head, the clamping force, or something else, but I've never had this happen before with anything but my old TMA-1's.

 

It's sad because I like/love the sound. It seems like these just aren't made for me... 

 

I will probably be selling these soon - if someone wants to help a fellow Head-Fi'er out and buy my pair, I'd be really grateful. I'll be sad to see 'em go.


Aww, I'm sorry to hear the bad news. :(

Are you still planning to write a review for these? You can at least write something about the sound quality of the M-100 and how it compares to other headphones you've heard. That in itself is still a really valuable bit of knowledge for readers out there.

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