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post #9196 of 21063
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Originally Posted by EveTan View Post

My m100s are slightly loose on the area where the fork connects with the earcups. Actually, the entire fork gives an annoying creaking sound when I press on them. Should I return them?


That sounds like a pretty serious build issue. My M-100's only creak at the adjustable headband wingplate (again, I think this is the weakest part of the headphone's structure).

 

You don't happen to be one of those people who have claimed to drop their M-100 "over 30 times" are you? XD

post #9197 of 21063
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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post


That sounds like a pretty serious build issue. My M-100's only creak at the adjustable headband wingplate (again, I think this is the weakest part of the headphone's structure).

You don't happen to be one of those people who have claimed to drop their M-100 "over 30 times" are you? XD

Haha nope. I treat mine like a baby XD. I may just return mine, since I still have 30 days of the test drive left. And shipping is only $7. ....for some reason, just not feeling it from the m100s. I mean they are good and all, I just want more i guess. Plus they don't have the isolation I need for daily usage. Maybe I'll try my luck with CIEMs. I'll see where my idealized sound takes me. i may be digging myself into a bottomless pit. Oh well.
post #9198 of 21063
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Originally Posted by EveTan View Post


Haha nope. I treat mine like a baby XD. I may just return mine, since I still have 30 days of the test drive left. And shipping is only $7. ....for some reason, just not feeling it from the m100s. I mean they are good and all, I just want more i guess. Plus they don't have the isolation I need for daily usage. Maybe I'll try my luck with CIEMs. I'll see where my idealized sound takes me. i may be digging myself into a bottomless pit. Oh well.

Sucks, because I would be paying $40 just for sending mine back - if I add that to the tax I paid, I'd have lost $95+ on these headphones if I chose to return them. 

 

I am in the same camp. I love the sound, but the presentation and little bits here and there definitely need to be cleaned up. (I'm lookin' at you, Pads, Cables, Y-Wings, Headband, Plastic...)

 

I'm probably going to pick up a pair of MONSTER Inspiration headphones to compare to these. I prefer designs without exposed cables, with more streamlined and solid aesthetics. I don't mind if I lose a little bit of sound quality if I can get a solid, good looking pair of headphones. It's what I wanted out of the AKG K267's, before those got delayed 3 times.

post #9199 of 21063
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Originally Posted by BRSxIgnition View Post

Sucks, because I would be paying $40 just for sending mine back - if I add that to the tax I paid, I'd have lost $95+ on these headphones if I chose to return them. 

I am in the same camp. I love the sound, but the presentation and little bits here and there definitely need to be cleaned up. (I'm lookin' at you, Pads, Cables, Y-Wings, Headband, Plastic...)

I'm probably going to pick up a pair of MONSTER Inspiration headphones to compare to these. I prefer designs without exposed cables, with more streamlined and solid aesthetics. I don't mind if I lose a little bit of sound quality if I can get a solid, good looking pair of headphones. It's what I wanted out of the AKG K267's, before those got delayed 3 times.

You could always wait for next year when the Milano or Revolver comes out XD
post #9200 of 21063
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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post


That sounds like a pretty serious build issue. My M-100's only creak at the adjustable headband wingplate (again, I think this is the weakest part of the headphone's structure).

 

You don't happen to be one of those people who have claimed to drop their M-100 "over 30 times" are you? XD

Yours doesn't creak at the yoke at all then...?  We should have a poll to see whose do that and whose do not.

post #9201 of 21063

Any guesses on what MILANO will be? I can think of two things.....

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AMP or Dac pls? actually cool looking non iphone only AMP and DAC? or even DAP?

post #9203 of 21063

yea, on my M-100 the left earcup is solidly connected to the "v-fork" but the right earcup can move about on the right "v-fork"....hasn't really been a problem so far its just annoying that i can pop the cup in and out of place, but hopefully it doesn't become a problem.

 

so far literally the only let down for me with M-100 is COMFORT ....i was expecting a pretty big improvement from m-80, but what i got instead is a headphone that is only slightly more comfortable than m-80. at best, with a lot of fidgeting and adjusting i can get a comfort level of 7.5/10, but i can't listen to music for over an hour without some discomfort and i never forget they are on I can always feel them there on my ears. and that is very disappointing to me.

 

however everything else about M-100, sound quality, design and build quality, ect has either met or exceeded my expectations, so i am happy with my purchase overall. If V-moda releases more comfortable pads though I will buy them immediately as comfort is the only thing holding these back from being my perfect portable headphone
 

post #9204 of 21063
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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post


Does anyone have examples/test tracks? I usually don't have alt rock in my collection (I mostly have progressive, post, and synth rock).
Here's a typical red hot chili pepper song (punk/alt rock, or at least that's what my iPod calls it!) http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?feature=plpp&v=Sb5aq5HcS1A. Hope the link works as it was sent from mobile.
Edited by adman164 - 11/8/12 at 12:00am
post #9205 of 21063

Well, after some time and a huge amount of stuff to write, I finally took an hour to sit down and write. And write. and write. This'll be copy pasted to the other thread where I reserved some space.

 

My review of the M-100's, or "better late than never" (the review lol, not the headphones, although I guess that fits too).

 

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

M-100 Review

 

Wow. It’s been awhile, a long time of wait, development, etc. Quite the journey, but three weeks back, I finally got my hands on these. V-Moda’s latest entry to their Crossfade series, the Crossfade M-100. As anyone here can attest, Val Kolton’s latest piece de resistance has been nurtured for quite some time under his perfectionist eye, and man, these cans are simply delectable. Shall we continue?

 

Design

 

V-Moda is one of the pioneers of the fashionable headphone, and these have the design of stealthy, sleek elegance. For those of you feeling that your headphone collection is feeling a bit too black, you also have the option of selecting the fabulous white-silver edition. For me though, the matte black edition was just calling to me. Sleek, stylish with an industrial, almost cyberpunk quality, these headphones are simply excellent. In spite of its stylistic choices to stand out such as its V-wings, the sheer elegance of an all black design goes well with anything I throw with it.

 

Size wise, I was always under the impression based on photos that these would be sizeable headphones. Just as with the M-80’s, however, the M-100’s are much smaller than expected. When receiving the box, I was almost flabberghasted at how small the box was. In its case, the M-100’s are no larger than a softball! Or a grapefruit. Whatever obloid-shaped object happens to be within your grasps that fits in your hand.

 

Build Quality

 

As expected by V-Moda’s build quality, the cans I have in my hand are top notch pieces of work. The curiosity buzzing around the M-100’s is the hinge and whether it’ll stand the test of time or not. Mr. Kolton has taken care to be sure that the hinge not only stands the test of time but has the feel that it will stand any amount of folding you throw at it. Describing it as a “German Car Feel” by its maker, every fold is accompanied by a *click* sound that is satisfying to fold and unfold.

 

The rest? Fine cloth on the headband, plastic a bit, particularly for the cups (which is fine unless you want to be weighed down by the sheer weight of metal on your shoulders). Overall, the build is metal, and demonstrating to friends the durability brings some star struck faces. The screws for the shields are initially the worst screws ever to deal with (I think the shield change took me somewhere around an hour to finish. But seeing as I’ve got four sets to fiddle around with, I perservered, and now it takes me a little less than 15 minutes to do a shield change.

 

And for the curious amongst some build problems in the first batch, I’ve had no problems. These things have stood up to Sandy, an early November nor’easter, and being handled by my brother, a professional with the midus touch, if midus broke everything in sight.

 

Packaging/Extras

 

Your standard package comes with: case, (for matte black) a black shareplay cable (5ish feet, have yet to measure it formally), an orange one-button cable (4 feet or so), stickers! And a 1/4” -1/8” adapter. As with the M-80’s, the one button cable is *just* the right length for me. It somewhat irks me why V-Moda has the audio only cable and the shareplay cable (both the same length) be longer when the one button cable is fabulous. But the orange of the one button cable works excellently and exquisitely with the matte black design.

 

Along with those are preorder extras. Faders (excellent for keeping out noise when I need earplugs such as crashing at my friends’ place with a rather rambunctious heater) and the Boom Pro mic cable, which I have yet to test out due to lack of a VOIP adapter.

 

Comfort

 

Short and simple for me, these headphones are excellent. I could (and have been) wearing these things for hours on end with no sight of fatigue. I understand that for some fellow members of head-fi that there are comfort issues based on the shallowness of the cups and the tendency of the plush to compress after a period of time, but I’ve been all set in that department. For the most part for other people, it has been the same (we must all have small ears! Read below) Twisting/flattening the headphones decreases clamping force if that’s a problem for you.

 

Sound Quality

 

Alright, let’s get down to the real reason why we’re here. How do they sound? That is the main reason why we’re shooting $310 for a new, unreleased headphone, no?

 

Bass

 

*Bam* *Purr* *Growl*

 

Bass is the star of the show on these cans. But think not of these cans as basshead level cans. The bass here is controlled, detailed, and makes these cans lively as can be. They really purr and growl, and it is simply a visceral experience to listen to bass through these cans. Catbread by Deadmau5  really grooves well as the first top of my head example.

 

Mids

As a fan of forward mids, it is a bit of a change for me to have the mids a tad laid back in comparison to the heavily forward Beyerdynamic DT1350’s. But the mid presentation is well within what I would consider acceptable for me. No bass bleed, and they stand well, if at least a bit behind the rest of the spectrum.

 

Treble

Extension is superior to the M80’s, and that’s excellent. They stand a bit more forward than the mids, but of course in comparison to the Alessandro MS-1’s, they seem to be missing just a wee bit at the top, but I’d say that’s acceptable, especially considering that the grado sound (a treble emphasis that can at points be too sibilant) is not what V-Moda is aiming at.

 

Soundstage

For a “semi-closed” phone? Pretty darn good. I believe miceblue has posted the inner workings of the vents, showing some foam below where the shields are and some sort of second layer of foam beneath that one, which makes it questionable how much the v-port vents actually play a role in the sound, but it is a pretty wide sound for closed-back. Not concert hall, mind you, but perhaps something of a club sort of sound as anak-chan alludes to when he describes the soundstage.

 

Instrumentation

The spectrum layout alludes to this, but there are certain things that don’t stand out as well as I’d like. Cymbals don’t crash as nicely, and string-emphasized pieces, while not presented in a bad way, are not presented in the most accurate way in my opinion. Listening to a variety of pieces over these three weeks, My breakdown as to genre matching with these headphones would go like this:

 

Electronic>R&B>Pop>Hip-Hop>Rock>Bossa Nova>Jazz>Classical

 

By no means is classical bottom-of-the-barrel stuff, simply that the M-100’s would not be my preferred headphone for the selection. Rock is a bit of a mixed bag. Some songs are *okay* while others (Roundabout by Yes comes to mind) are superb, so I’d say that’s where things start turning the tide. It’s a wellrounded phone, but it’s a bit genre specific in the sense that some songs are adequate while others absolutely shine.

 

Multi Review

 

When writing a review, I’d like to keep in mind the perspective of the maker. What is the objective of their designs? Mr. Kolton has kept this design philosophy in mind: “Greatest sound for the greatest number of people.” Has he achieved that goal? Let’s find out.

 

Friend #1: 20 years old female, wore bose because she liked the comfort, less concerned about sound quality.

“Ooh! These are so comfy!”

*ten minutes later*

“Yeah you’re not getting these back for awhile”

“I like these way more than your other ones! (DT1350’s”

 

Friend #2: 20 year old male, actually head-fi member kagelou!

“Yep, these are pretty good.”

“They’re smaller than I thought they’d be”

Overall his impression was that they beat out the M-80’s, and the comfort easily wins compared to the M-100’s due to A) the pads being less stiff and B) the difference in circumaural vs supraaural headphoens

 

Friend #3: 18 Year old male, M-50 owner for a few months, new audiophile!

“Wow. Darn it! I’m going to go home and be like, I wish I had robble’s headphones! It won’t be the same!”

“Some stuff sounds great! But I’m not sure if I’d prefer these over the M50’s by much for some genres”

“I love how Val has been able to marry great sound with great aesthetic design! I wish the TMA-1’s had the sound quality of these”

 

Positive feedback, no? Yes, these three are aged 18-20 and are college students, so this is a bit more of a youth sound, but these are just people that stuck out in my mind in particular.

 

In closing

 

Headphones? Fashion statement? Personal statement? These are all qualities of the Crossfade M-100. But all those man hours and late nights tweaking have led to something really extraordinary. A community semi-open sourced headphone taking the positives of the M80’s and the critiques of audiophiles, the tuning is truly excellent. A wonderful sound for a huge range of people.

 

 

700

 

Rock on.

 

 

post #9206 of 21063

Does anyone care to explain what exactly bass bleed is?

 

My definition of bass bleed is when the bass is overly present and colours the mids. In this sense, I think the M-100 has bass bleed, especially for home listening. Adding a bass reducing EQ, or an earpad mod, allows the lower mids to be brought more into the spotlight, thus being more clearly presented.

 

At the moment I'm listening to Seal's cover of "I'll Be Around" and the bass guitar is really overpowering with no EQ or modifications, thus causing his voice to be oddly placed in the stage (why is the bass guitar in the front center stage when the singer should be there?)....

700


^ ah that's much better. The vocals are more pronounced and the bass guitar seems to be behind the singer, as it should be.

post #9207 of 21063

To me, bass bleed is when the bass is emphasized greatly versus the mids that it heavily distorts the mids beyond a bit of coloring. Take Beats for example and its heavily bloated bass overwhelming the mids. I guess it's a difference of opinion here, miceblue, but I've found the bass controlled enough to my liking to create a fun sound while maintaining a good level of accuracy. *shrugs*

post #9208 of 21063
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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post

Does anyone care to explain what exactly bass bleed is?

 

My definition of bass bleed is when the bass is overly present and colours the mids. In this sense, I think the M-100 has bass bleed, especially for home listening. Adding a bass reducing EQ, or an earpad mod, allows the lower mids to be brought more into the spotlight, thus being more clearly presented.

 

At the moment I'm listening to Seal's cover of "I'll Be Around" and the bass guitar is really overpowering with no EQ or modifications, thus causing his voice to be oddly placed in the stage (why is the bass guitar in the front center stage when the singer should be there?)....

700


^ ah that's much better. The vocals are more pronounced and the bass guitar seems to be behind the singer, as it should be.

 

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Originally Posted by robble View Post

To me, bass bleed is when the bass is emphasized greatly versus the mids that it heavily distorts the mids beyond a bit of coloring. Take Beats for example and its heavily bloated bass overwhelming the mids. I guess it's a difference of opinion here, miceblue, but I've found the bass controlled enough to my liking to create a fun sound while maintaining a good level of accuracy. *shrugs*


robbie pretty much nailed it with his description of bass bleed. For me the tip off is the lower mids. If the bass overpowers the lower mids and bleeds into them it will cause distortion and completely ruin lower mid to upper bass transition making the headphone sound almost disjointed, Beats are infamous for this and the Sony XB500 would be another example of a headphone with heavy bass bleed.


Quick question to all the boppers on the thread. Is there anyone out there who has owned or heard a HifiMan HE-400? Considering the M-100 and HE-400 are in the same price bracket and are bassy I'm curious how these headphones compare to one another


Edited by DigitalFreak - 11/8/12 at 1:35am
post #9209 of 21063
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Originally Posted by DaBomb77766 View Post

I don't think you're gonna find anything with more bass than the LP2 and anywhere near the audio quality.  In fact, you'd be hard pressed to find anything with more bass at all. :P


I'm holding out hope for the Tiesto K267.  M-100 bass is great, but sometimes I want ridiculous, over the top bass (i.e. Pitbull).  The challenge for me is that I have been spoiled by the overall M-100 SQ, so I want those excellent mids and highs with off-the-charts bass.  I just read AnakChan's review of the Sig DJ and even at $699, they would sound great, but don't offer more bass than the M-100.  I may go the ZO route first and hope it works with my FiiO L9 line out dock as I don't want the hiss from running through my headphhone jack.

post #9210 of 21063
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Originally Posted by BRSxIgnition View Post

 

I am in the same camp. I love the sound, but the presentation and little bits here and there definitely need to be cleaned up. (I'm lookin' at you, Pads, Cables, Y-Wings, Headband, Plastic...)

 

You confuse me -- one post these are your perfect headphone and the next you're ready to send them back.  Honestly, your list of "little bits" hits almost every piece of the headphone.

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