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post #76 of 21033

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post #77 of 21033
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#1 - Has Val actually confirmed any of this?  Maybe you should wait for his official word before throwing these kinds of statements out there.

See my post above...Val has all but confirmed everything I am criticizing.
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#2 - If he does produce a headphone that requires an amp to reach its full potential, how does that make V-moda any different from all the other headphone companies out there?  They make different headphones designed for specific audiences, and maybe you won't be the target for this one.  So be it.  Where's the crime in that?  And, V-moda offering a portable amp for their headphone doesn't mean you have to buy that specific amp.  There are tons of amps from tons of companies that will do the job.  Sounds pretty non-apple like to me.
 

Well first of all he would be foolish to try to making exclusive amp compatibility; he would alienate a sizeable chunk of his customers, especially at this price bracket. But he's doing the next thing to it: setting people up to buy more of his stuff. And like I said, theres nothing skeezy about that compared to other companies, but that doesn't make it admirable either. There's no room for Apples brand of nonsense in the audio market, its too broad; there is less competition in computing.

Secondly, its different from Sennheiser et al because of the way he is doing it: releasing the amp and the phones together, pulling everything into a higher price bracket all at once, setting expectations based on MUCH more affordable products...its no worse than business as usual, but again, doesn't mean it's admirable.
post #78 of 21033

i hope to see impartial reviews about the m100,cause i have no way to test the around where i live.

 

the most i hope,however is,afterall the SQ;

for 300 bucks it will be an hard work,a lot of headphone play well at this price range.

 

so,with the detachable cord,the kevlar cable,the build construction,the metal headband,

with a good driver,the m100 could be a candidate for a flavour-of-a-long-time at this price.

post #79 of 21033
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Originally Posted by Gilly87 View Post

So there is already a portable amp designed for it? Well I guess that's game over for the no amp camp; clearly the table is set for the M100 being only for ri h people with iPhones. Its really cool stuff, wish I had the money for it...
I'm sorry maybe I'm being bitter but that's just lame man. "I'm going to upsell you on a new product! Oh, but you have to buy my other specialty product to use it, and only with this other ridiculously expensive product!" Don't get me wrong, its really cool, but it's the kind of product incest that, funny enough, Apple is infamous for. And that's always been a strategy I hate and can see nothing but pure greed in. Count me out of buying VMODA products...Val I gotta hand it to you, you do some pretty cool stuff, but it just feels like you're playing for the wrong team; don't know how else to say it.
Everyone with an iPhone and a platinum credit card have fun now smily_headphones1.gif


Dude you should chill, it's almost as you're taking this personally. This is only based on speculations.

 

Also, there are alot of other options than V-Moda that have great sound and are cheaper. If you want a cheaper portable (circumauraul) headphone that doesn't need amp, with great bass and affordable price, try the Denon D1100.

 

And if you are set on only the V-Moda, well then you should just wait patiently and see what val comes up with. I am sure it will sound great even with or without an amp.

 

Don't bring hate where there is none.

 

 

 

post #80 of 21033
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See my post above...Val has all but confirmed everything I am criticizing.
But he's doing the next thing to it: setting people up to buy more of his stuff.
 

 

*gasp*

 

A business trying to bring in a profit!  Shame on you, Val!  Shame on you.  rolleyes.gif

post #81 of 21033

I guess I am kind of taking it personally; not as though Val is doing this to me deliberately :P but it sucks when you realize that you've been outpriced on something that you were looking forward to. Being reminded of your, ahhh, economic deficiencies kind of sucks. I was really exited to see stuff like the M80 and LP2 that were built like bricks but still priced to sell, it made me think that Val was really more concerned with topping what's out there in the consumer market and bringing good audio in a complete package to the masses, but apparently I was wrong. There's nothing wrong with going the route of appealing to audiophiles, it's just disappointing to be on the other side of the fence.

 

I've been bitching for a while and Val has paid me no heed thus far so I doubt he minds :P

 

Thanks for the recommendation :) I already have a portable I enjoy, Phiaton MS400, which I will probably be sticking with. My only beefs were the two-sided cable, and that the sound is a little too enveloping for my tastes, and I was hoping that the M100 would solve both of these and allow me to sell my MS400, but honestly, the difference could never be worth almost twice the price after you throw in the amp and taxes. So I'm sticking with my MS400 til they give out on me, and probably going the HD25 route when their time is up.

post #82 of 21033

I state multiple times that this is clearly business as usual. But that doesn't make it admirable.
 

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*gasp*

 

A business trying to bring in a profit!  Shame on you, Val!  Shame on you.  rolleyes.gif



 

post #83 of 21033
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Thanks for the recommendation :) I already have a portable I enjoy, Phiaton MS400, which I will probably be sticking with. My only beefs were the two-sided cable, and that the sound is a little too enveloping for my tastes, and I was hoping that the M100 would solve both of these and allow me to sell my MS400, but honestly, the difference could never be worth almost twice the price after you throw in the amp and taxes. So I'm sticking with my MS400 til they give out on me, and probably going the HD25 route when their time is up.


No problem. That doesn't sound like bad idea at all :)

post #84 of 21033
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I state multiple times that this is clearly business as usual. But that doesn't make it admirable.
 



 



It also doesn't make it worthy of scorn.  It is a perfectly admirable practice as long as the products being released are of high quality and offered at a reasonable price for what they are.

 

Now, if this supposed amp ends up being of very poor quality and it is forced upon consumers in some way, THEN we have an issue.  We have no evidence of either of those things thus far.

 

As for your personal headphone choice, what was keeping you away from the M80s? 

 

post #85 of 21033

Personally I scorn all businesses who prioritize making money over producing quality products. I felt very certain, right before details about the M100 started coming out, that VMODA was in the latter category; I can hardly place them clearly as the former, but I no longer feel so drawn to them on the basis of wanting to actually support the company. And that is something I truly did feel when I realized that it was a family-owned company, and saw the build quality, and heard about the sound quality of their products. I thought they were really trying to do something huge in the audio market and finish what the Beats started, and I thought that taking on a hugely successful company that clearly fits into my former category was something I was willing to use my $250 to really get behind. I'm the kind of HeadFier who goes around showing off my stuff to my friends, and recommending things to my OWN customers if I think they are really a good buy. I had had bad experiences with VMODA products previously, having worked at RadioShack and seen way too many BassFreqs and original LPs returned, or broken after a couple of days, or missing tips out of the package, or God knows what. So, I dunno, I guess I got my hopes up too high; I was really ready to have my mind changed about VMODA, and it has changed a bit, but not as much as I was hoping; I can still think of other products in just about every area that VMODA competes in that I would be more likely to recommend.

 

As for the M80s, I have no desire for a supra-aural headphone that doesn't isolate; to be honest they look like toys to me...I very much like the look of the LP2 but I find myself severely let down by any phone that markedly emphasizes bass over mids.
 

As for the amp, apparently it isn't 100% VMODA's. But even without that...the cans costing a full $100 more than the M80/LP2 and requiring an amp is more than enough to keep me away. I could understand if the LP2s were amp hungry; they're DJ headphones, after all. But marketing a product to the masses (which, make no mistake, VMODA is; they sell their products at RadioShack) and expecting them to buy an amp just seems...foolish. Maybe the M100s wont be sold at RadioShack, maybe they are just a sidestep for VMODA into the realm of typical audiophilia; if that turns out to be the case, well, sucks for me I guess. But if Val expects RadioShack salespeople to hustle portable amps alongside the M100, I can say for 100% sure, having worked there, that he is going to be very disappointed.

 

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It also doesn't make it worthy of scorn.  It is a perfectly admirable practice as long as the products being released are of high quality and offered at a reasonable price for what they are.

 

Now, if this supposed amp ends up being of very poor quality and it is forced upon consumers in some way, THEN we have an issue.  We have no evidence of either of those things thus far.

 

As for your personal headphone choice, what was keeping you away from the M80s? 

 


 

 

post #86 of 21033

I may be interested in the M100s. I like V80s but wish for circumaural, flat-folding and maybe more isolation (or better still, a open/closed switchable design).

M100s are circumaural for sure. It will be perfect if they can fold flat (thus less bulky to wear on my neck).


Edited by zzffnn - 2/1/12 at 9:36am
post #87 of 21033

 I highly doubt the M-100 will REQUIRE an amp - they will SCALE with an amp. There's a difference and I doubt you'll need an amp to enjoy the M-100s. But IMO the fact that the headphone may benefit from an amp is a plus in my book. 

post #88 of 21033
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 I highly doubt the M-100 will REQUIRE an amp - they will SCALE with an amp. There's a difference and I doubt you'll need an amp to enjoy the M-100s. But IMO the fact that the headphone may benefit from an amp is a plus in my book. 


Yea I don't know why people are complaining, how many $299 headphones here we like doesn't require amp to sound optimal? You should at least have a basic amp if you're an enthusiast and for those who aren't and still would buy M100 are likely to get very pleased with the sound anyway. xD

 

post #89 of 21033
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Hmm I wonder if that website heard him wrong on the headphone amp, I know Val uses the VentureCraft GoDap (by his sig) and that is exactly what they described. An iphone case that is a battery/headphone amp.

 

Here is the more expensive 4s version http://venturecraft.jp/gadget_en/gd04.php

 

Sorry, off topic, but:

Whoa. That's a sick amp. I wonder when they'l release it stateside?

post #90 of 21033

Well, I mean, if they sound better than the m80 and scale with an amp...I suppose nobody who could afford them would complain about that :)

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