V-MODA M-100: Discussion/Feedback, Reviews, Pics, etc.
Aug 22, 2012 at 5:01 PM Post #5,341 of 23,366
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The rep informed me as well not to expect shipment by first week September either so mid Sept is the best case scenerio...


The reps don't know much of anything though - one of them just told me that the pre-order doesn't ship with faders, so I would take anything they say with less than a grain of salt right now.
 
Aug 22, 2012 at 5:01 PM Post #5,342 of 23,366
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Reply to Tinyman:
 
 
I never stated anything I said as fact. I stated the conclusions we came to as a forum. 'We' - as in, most of us - agreed that the 60 days was a pre-caution on the part of V-MODA, so that they would not get any flak for pushing the release any later. I have never said once that "We will be getting them [DATE HERE]" or "The release date is [DATE HERE]". I've always made it clear that what I'm saying is what we think/know to the best of our ability. I only say it is true if it has been confirmed by Val.
 
About the two "guesses" you called out, I was making those assumptions off what we had heard from val. The word "Daisy Chaining" had been used multiple times after Val began using it, and I never used the term again, or said that the cable went into the cup AFTER the post you linked. because at that point, val had clarified it himself, that the cable would go into the built in connector that we didn't know about previously. About what comes with the M-100's, again, UNTIL that post, we did not know what came with what for sure. All we knew was that there would be SOMETHING different on the Matte Black M-100's, and that turned out to be the Orange cable. 
 
Again, I never claimed to know anything for sure until Val commented on it. I would never try to mislead - intentionally or unintentionally - the people of Head-Fi.
 
Please, if you need to 'talk' to me more, please PM. 
 
For everyone else: 
 
Please, read carefully, and do not assume things, as above.

 
You still said it like it was fact.  It read like it was fact.  Even if the intent wasn't to be fact (a guess if I may): it looked like a duck, it walked like a duck, it talked like a duck...  It is a duck. 
 
Aug 22, 2012 at 5:03 PM Post #5,343 of 23,366
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The reps don't know much of anything though - one of them just told me that the pre-order doesn't ship with faders, so I would take anything they say with less than a grain of salt right now.

 
The pre-orders might not (there is no 100% guarantee they will as they will be the production unit you order, not a PPU).  Nothing about the production units is really known at this point outside the M100 + cables (can't even be so sure of the number, hopefully 3 like with the VTX).  The PPUs (VTX) will come with Faders though.
 
Aug 22, 2012 at 5:04 PM Post #5,344 of 23,366
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You still said it like it was fact.  It read like it was fact.  Even if the intent wasn't to be fact (a guess if I may): it looked like a duck, it walked like a duck, it acted like a duck...  It is a duck. 

You are assuming things, and that is not my problem. I was as clear as I could be.
 
I tried to be clear that it was the forum's conclusion, or my conclusion, or what 'we' thought. I only stated it as "fact" when I used the words "Val said" or "Val has stated" or so on.
 
There is a clear difference between an official word from val, and what we think.
 
Read carefully.
 
Aug 22, 2012 at 5:07 PM Post #5,345 of 23,366
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You are assuming things, and that is not my problem. I was as clear as I could be.
 
I tried to be clear that it was the forum's conclusion, or my conclusion, or what 'we' thought. I only stated it as "fact" when I used the words "Val said" or "Val has stated" or so on.
 
There is a clear difference between an official word from val, and what we think.
 
Read carefully.

 
A better phrase is we don't know (for sure).  Then you go on about guesses.  Admitting ignorance is not ever a bad thing.  We think could also be Val's words as well.  If a reader has problems comprehending (after talking to the writer to fix it up), there is a problem not with the reader, but...  I'll leave it at that. 
 
Aug 22, 2012 at 5:08 PM Post #5,346 of 23,366
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The pre-orders might not (there is no 100% guarantee they will as they will be the production unit you order, not a PPU).  Nothing about the production units is really known at this point outside the M100 + cables (can't even be so sure of the number, hopefully 3 like with the VTX).  The PPUs (VTX) will come with Faders though.

I will take this chance to be clear. This is confirmed information from Val Kolton, and not a forum conclusion made on Head-Fi.
 
No difference between VT"X" and "PPU's" - Val has stated that the VTF-100's available for pre-order now on V-MODA.com are the units referred to previously as "PPU's". They will come with all of the bonuses mentioned in his last few posts, including the Faders. They are limited at 200 units, 101 have been sold last time we were informed, which means 99 are still available.
 
Also, the VTF-100's are not test units either, like you previously said they would be. They have also been confirmed to be the first batch of MPU's, being released in advance of the full release.
 
PS: Getting quotes now if you need them.
 
Aug 22, 2012 at 5:11 PM Post #5,347 of 23,366
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I will take this chance to be clear. This is confirmed information, and not a forum conclusion.
 
No difference between VT"X" and "PPU's" - Val has stated that the VTF-100's available for pre-order now on V-MODA.com are the units referred to previously as "PPU's". They will come with all of the bonuses mentioned in his last few posts, including the Faders. They are limited at 200 units, 101 have been sold last time we were informed, which means 99 are still available.
 
Also, the VTF-100's are not test units either, like you previously said they would be. They have also been confirmed to be the first batch of MPU's, being released in advance of the full release.
 
PS: Getting quotes now if you need them.

 
I never said they were test units, I said that they might be produced on the same line as the test units (which I think I was incorrect about as it seems, but still looking for official word from Val stating they weren't produced on the same line).  My statement was that the rep could be talking about the M100 pre-order (not the VTX pre-order).  A lot of the CS reps didn't even know about the VTX pre-order.  But do know something about the M-100. In essence, my statement was about the M-100 pre-order vs the VTX pre-order.  M-100 is a production line, VTX is pre-production. 
 
We know what the VTX-100s will come with, but we aren't certain what will be taken out of package for the M-100. 
 
Aug 22, 2012 at 5:16 PM Post #5,348 of 23,366
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M-100 is a production line, VTX is pre-production. 
 
We know what the VTX-100s will come with, but we aren't certain what will be taken out of package for the M-100. 

I see - Apologies about the first part of your post, I misunderstood, I admit.
 
However, in what I've quoted, is where you're wrong.
  1. M-100 is the full release name, and full release production line. Not "Pre-orderable" yet.
  2. VTF-100 is the pre-release name, and the units are made from the same line as the full release. "Pre-orderable" at http://v-moda.com/vtf-100/
 
I will add an "As far as I know..." to this post for now, as I get the quotes from val that he made earlier in the thread.
 
Also - as far as I know, wouldn't the regular M-100 release be the same, but no extra shields, no faders, and no certificate?
 
Aug 22, 2012 at 5:16 PM Post #5,349 of 23,366
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 M-100 is a production line, VTX is pre-production.   
We know what the VTX-100s will come with, but we aren't certain what will be taken out of package for the M-100. 


That's actually not true -  The VTX is not a real product, it's a code that Val uses to give us priority access.  People that have ordered are getting the M-100 with bonuses off the same exact assembly line as every other M-100 will come down.
 
Aug 22, 2012 at 5:18 PM Post #5,350 of 23,366
Tiny man,
You have a point about making guesses, and then sharing that without disclosing that it is a guess, yes that is like following a blind man, and the links you posted were helpful. But that's all you needed to say, no need to rant and attempt to defame BRS. To make such a rant in reply to a post where BRS is essentially stating that his expectations are unofficial just makes you look like a bad guy, if you don't realize that.

BRSxIgnition, perhaps people would flame you less if you stopped saying "we" and claim up front when something is a guess/rumor or where you got your info.

It's a new headphone guys, not the end of the world. XD

NOBODY knows the release date yet, but the PPU's are nearly ready, and the M-100 will be officially released (with much fanfare) very soon. It will come with way more accessories than I've seen with other headphones, the sound will be V-MODA's new flagship, it will look cool and last years, and cost a little over $300 at release. official details and a few surprises will be revealed once it is released. Any other questions?
 
Aug 22, 2012 at 5:21 PM Post #5,351 of 23,366
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Tiny man,
You have a point about making guesses, and then sharing that without disclosing that it is a guess, yes that is like following a blind man, and the links you posted were helpful. But that's all you needed to say, no need to rant and attempt to defame BRS. To make such a rant in reply to a post where BRS is essentially stating that his expectations are unofficial just makes you look like a bad guy, if you don't realize that.
BRSxIgnition, perhaps people would flame you less if you stopped saying "we" and claim up front when something is a guess/rumor or where you got your info.
It's a new headphone guys, not the end of the world. XD
NOBODY knows the release date yet, but the PPU's are nearly ready, and the M-100 will be officially released (with much fanfare) very soon. It will come with way more accessories than I've seen with other headphones, the sound will be V-MODA's new flagship, it will look cool and last years, and cost a little over $300 at release. official details and a few surprises will be revealed once it is released. Any other questions?

 
Great post.
 
Aug 22, 2012 at 5:22 PM Post #5,352 of 23,366
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That's actually not true -  The VTX is not a real product, it's a code that Val uses to give us priority access.  People that have ordered are getting the M-100 with bonuses off the same exact assembly line as every other M-100 will come down.

 
Thanks for the information.  Clears up a lot more. I couldn't find Val's post that said this though (that the VTX models are not part of the PPUs that weren't tested).  The original statement from Val concerning the PPU was that he didn't know what happened to them (the ones untested), so he would sell them (he did make a statement that some go to press, but didn't know about the rest).  These were in fact part of the pre-production line (not the official production line).
 
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Tiny man,
You have a point about making guesses, and then sharing that without disclosing that it is a guess, yes that is like following a blind man, and the links you posted were helpful. But that's all you needed to say, no need to rant and attempt to defame BRS. To make such a rant in reply to a post where BRS is essentially stating that his expectations are unofficial just makes you look like a bad guy, if you don't realize that.
BRSxIgnition, perhaps people would flame you less if you stopped saying "we" and claim up front when something is a guess/rumor or where you got your info.
It's a new headphone guys, not the end of the world. XD
NOBODY knows the release date yet, but the PPU's are nearly ready, and the M-100 will be officially released (with much fanfare) very soon. It will come with way more accessories than I've seen with other headphones, the sound will be V-MODA's new flagship, it will look cool and last years, and cost a little over $300 at release. official details and a few surprises will be revealed once it is released. Any other questions?

 
That is what i want.  I apologize if I was harsh, but it annoys me that when all the new-comers ask questions, he gives unofficial answers that sound legit.  It's misleading (and this is about the 2nd/3rd time he's done it).  IDK who else was doing it.  It's just that every single time I went on this thread, I saw BRS making some statement that was unverified, but read like it was legit.  Some went against what I read in the past. 
 
I thought the release price would be 300.  Or has that changed as well?  I heard Val say the VTX is 310, but before that (month or two ahead) he stated 300. 
 
Aug 22, 2012 at 5:27 PM Post #5,355 of 23,366
I think right about now the only thing that is "safe" to say about this product is that even given some of the vague answers we've received:
 
there are M-100's of some kind (final version) that should be arriving for those that ordered them...
 
with some extra stuff
 
As far as real bonified details go, nobody knows anything... and Val even admits he needs to be careful about it which is part of the reason he's been pretty vague in the first place and especially given things are still testing.
 
I have to admit that having spent time watching this thread.  It was very easy to misinterpret what BRS had written as cold hard fact instead of as supposition...
 
But at it stands, it would seem to me that the safest thing to do is wait and for people to chill the eff out and not make any assumptions unless Val bloody outright says it with fireworks and bells on... cuz otherwise its just stupid rumor...
 

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