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post #4831 of 21201
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post

Test accessories?  They come with all the same stuff the production model does (no more, no less).  




The 10 dollar premium you're paying for is going to basically be the custom shields and getting them sooner.  The drivers and fit will be tuned to be the same as the production model as well.  All physical aspects of the headphones will be the same as the production model.  

Sounds like a sweet deal right?  For the most part, it really is.  You do have to note that this isn't technically a first batch, it's a pre-first batch (batch 0).  That said, this batch is the set that will have any flaws in it if they exist.  Most of the time, this batch runs perfectly and has no flaws in the design, build, etc.  However, once in a blue moon, you'll find that the first few batches may have some bugs in them that cause problems down the line (couldn't be tested for).  This is extremely rare, but does happen.  If it does, since you paid, you should have a warranty that would be honored.  
To the above poster, no.

This is not "batch 0".

This is simply the very first batch of headphones to be made and checked after locking in the design - which, by the way, is done by listening through and testing all the headphones from "batch 0." as Val has stated before, these are part of the first production run - effectively part of the MPU units. These will simply be sold and given out 2 - 4 weeks before the full release of the headphone. What's more, is that these get personally checked by Val and his team, and are used to make sure the full release is ready and there are no big variances. In essence, these will be the best version of the M-100, baring a large-scale revision in the distant future.

I'm just glad I got an order in for one.
post #4832 of 21201
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Originally Posted by BRSxIgnition View Post

To the above poster, no.
This is not "batch 0".
This is simply the very first batch of headphones to be made and checked after locking in the design - which, by the way, is done by listening through and testing all the headphones from "batch 0." as Val has stated before, these are part of the first production run - effectively part of the MPU units. These will simply be sold and given out 2 - 4 weeks before the full release of the headphone. What's more, is that these get personally checked by Val and his team, and are used to make sure the full release is ready and there are no big variances. In essence, these will be the best version of the M-100, baring a large-scale revision in the distant future.
I'm just glad I got an order in for one.

me too, that is good that these get checked personally by val and his team.

post #4833 of 21201
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Originally Posted by BRSxIgnition View Post

To the above poster, no.
This is not "batch 0".
This is simply the very first batch of headphones to be made and checked after locking in the design - which, by the way, is done by listening through and testing all the headphones from "batch 0." as Val has stated before, these are part of the first production run - effectively part of the MPU units. These will simply be sold and given out 2 - 4 weeks before the full release of the headphone. What's more, is that these get personally checked by Val and his team, and are used to make sure the full release is ready and there are no big variances. In essence, these will be the best version of the M-100, baring a large-scale revision in the distant future.
I'm just glad I got an order in for one.

Does ordering now still include getting a PPU unit or will it be a MPU?

post #4834 of 21201

Talk about nearly missing the freaking boat. I get home from work check this thread and begin quickly skimming through 14 freaking pages. Luckily I saw the post saying the headphones were live and just place my order. I decided on the black matte, black ear pads and for the custom shields I decided to be my freaky self and chose croc skin black. For my design I picked a gothic cross hopefully it comes out looking ok.

 

So it finally happened we have lift off and our headphones should be on their way soon. Is everyone feeling good now?

post #4835 of 21201
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Originally Posted by chemdawg View Post

Does ordering now still include getting a PPU unit or will it be a MPU?

well it does still say "pre order" so i assume yes it is

post #4836 of 21201
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Originally Posted by chemdawg View Post

Does ordering now still include getting a PPU unit or will it be a MPU?

The order page is for the "VTF-100" which is the name Val Kolton has decided to go with for the pre-release limited edition version of the M-100. Many pages back, he mentioned that he would likely go with the name: "VTF-100" - after taking many suggestions from Head-Fi.

 

If you order now, and they haven't already cut off the stock yet, then you'll get one. You won't be getting an MPU by placing an order for a VTF though.

 

Either way - I'm tired and goin' to sleep.


Edited by BRSxIgnition - 8/16/12 at 11:03pm
post #4837 of 21201

How similar will the white silver look to the white pearl?

post #4838 of 21201
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Originally Posted by dsabada View Post

How similar will the white silver look to the white pearl?


White Pearl:

 

 

White Silver:

 

post #4839 of 21201
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Originally Posted by BRSxIgnition View Post

To the above poster, no.
This is not "batch 0".
This is simply the very first batch of headphones to be made and checked after locking in the design - which, by the way, is done by listening through and testing all the headphones from "batch 0." as Val has stated before, these are part of the first production run - effectively part of the MPU units. These will simply be sold and given out 2 - 4 weeks before the full release of the headphone. What's more, is that these get personally checked by Val and his team, and are used to make sure the full release is ready and there are no big variances. In essence, these will be the best version of the M-100, baring a large-scale revision in the distant future.
I'm just glad I got an order in for one.

 

Batch 0 as in not production (pre-production).  Technically these are test units.  Remember that, that is basically what they are, test units.  If they were part of the MPU, it would be listed as MPU, not PPU.  PPUs are generally not released to the public for the reasons I stated above.  If any are, they are given to press to play with (this still doesn't happen quite as often though, I've only gotten 4 PPUs in my life; from memory: 1 Etymotic and 3 Moshi; there may be more, these are the only confirmed ones as something went bad on them).  

 

Val breaks boundries here for Head-Fi users to allow them to buy these products (which is a good thing for us).  It's not a bad idea though.  


Edited by tinyman392 - 8/16/12 at 11:31pm
post #4840 of 21201
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Originally Posted by Leon Dota View Post


White Pearl:

 

 

White Silver:

 


Thanks!

post #4841 of 21201
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post

 

Batch 0 as in not production (pre-production).  Technically these are test units.  Remember that, that is basically what they are, test units.  If they were part of the MPU, it would be listed as MPU, not PPU.  PPUs are generally not released to the public for the reasons I stated above.  If any are, they are given to press to play with (this still doesn't happen quite as often though, I've only gotten 4 PPUs in my life; from memory: 1 Etymotic and 3 Moshi; there may be more, these are the only confirmed ones as something went bad on them).  

 

Val breaks boundries here for Head-Fi users to allow them to buy these products.  It's not a bad idea though.  Unused PPUs generally just get tossed or "fixed" into refurbished products.  

We are the ones mistakenly calling them "PPU's" - Val never said that these are test units. He has since clarified that these will not sound different, look different, or be built differently than the "MPU's" He said he tests them before sending them out, but these are not the "misfits" you are making them out to be. 

 

Hell - I think I was one of the ones who started abbreviating it as "PPU" and using it all the time after another poster used the term "Pre-Production Unit" - neither is correct. These would be better summed up as PRU's, Pre Release Units.

 

PS: Why am I still awake.... 

Double Edit: It doesn't matter now - we'll just have to wait and see which it is.


Edited by BRSxIgnition - 8/16/12 at 11:35pm
post #4842 of 21201
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Originally Posted by BRSxIgnition View Post

We are the ones mistakenly calling them "PPU's" - Val never said that these are test units. He has since clarified that these will not sound different, look different, or be built differently than the "MPU's" He said he tests them before sending them out, but these are not the "misfits" you are making them out to be. 

 

Hell - I think I was one of the ones who started abbreviating it as "PPU" and using it all the time after another poster used the term "Pre-Production Unit" - neither is correct. These would be better summed up as PRU's, Pre Release Units.

 

PS: Why am I still awake.... 

 

They were produced on the same line as the ones that were tested...  They technically are still PPUs.  They are generated the same way the final product will be, but aren't the final product.  If PPUs come out and they find out there is a bad wire in each in this batch, that bad wire (I guarantee) will not make it to the final product.  It is made to represent the final product (as it was produced on the PPU line, it is still technically a PPU) in terms of build, look, sound, etc.  However, if a bug is found, it's fixed.  Simple as that.  

 

Yes, half of the PPU units are tested on extensively.  They try to replicate real-life, accelerated use in the lab.  However, real-life use can only be simulated, well in real life.  So if there is a bug that happens with normal human use in the PPUs, some of the lab testing will not show through.  Otherwise, I would not have received 3 defective PPU products in the past.  They work and run just like regular models with the hope that the lab testing was efficient enough to account for all if not most real-world situations.  

 

I never said anything about the products you're being sent being used/tested on.  They will be new off the line.  The line will be the same production run as the PPU (reason why I label it batch 0, not batch 1; we haven't gotten to 1 yet).  

 

To better sum it up.  There is a chance that PPUs will have a bug in them.  That chance is low, but still there as nothing has fully been tested in the real world yet.  If a bug is found, it is fixed immediately before it's released to the public.  


Edited by tinyman392 - 8/16/12 at 11:43pm
post #4843 of 21201
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Originally Posted by tinyman392 View Post

I never said anything about the products you're being sent being used/tested on.  They will be new off the line.  The line will be the same production run as the PPU (reason why I label it batch 0, not batch 1; we haven't gotten to 1 yet).  

Thing is - we are on batch 1.

 

"Batch 0" was all the test units that were put through wire straining tests, drop tests, isolation and leakage tests, variance tests, etc... Once they figured out what they needed to fix and such, they did so, and began this line, which I will refer to as "Batch 1".

 

"Batch 1" is the set of units being made to order off the finished, fixed template that they got from testing "Batch 0." It is the set that is sent out to reviewers and head-fi'ers, meaning that it is as complete as any MPU. The only difference between these PRU's of "Batch 1" and the MPU's, is that these are being made in advance and given out to the press and Head-Fi; and while we are trying them and offering our input, they will be building their inventory to send out to retailers and sell.

 

The VTF's are not a testing product, not an unfinished product, and not a product we need to be worried about breaking or having defects. You can tell by the way Val runs his business, he would never send out (much less CHARGE for) units that come from the pre-fixing stage of production.

 

What kind of company would charge for/send out problem units? What kind of company would produce more "off the line" when they've found out what is wrong with THAT LINE?

 

PS: Apologies if I come off as harsh, but it makes no sense to test units, improve on them, and then make more of the UN-improved units to sell. I'm just using logic.

PPS: I'm getting all fired up - sorry if this is becoming an argument, we can move it to PM.


Edited by BRSxIgnition - 8/16/12 at 11:51pm
post #4844 of 21201

Guys, guys... 0s, and 1s...

 

The Matrix have you.

 

Whatever you want to call this badge, it's fine. This badge is being overlooked by Val himself. He wants to make sure, and has stated that these will be the best. Should I take his word for it? Whatever. The hell I know. XD

post #4845 of 21201
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Originally Posted by olpne View Post

Guys, guys... 0s, and 1s...

 

The Matrix have you.

 

Whatever you want to call this badge, it's fine. This badge is being overlooked by Val himself. He wants to make sure, and has stated that these will be the best. Should I take his word for it? Whatever. The hell I know. XD

01001001010010010101110010100101101101001001010010101010101010111001011010101101001110010101001011010111010110101000100101011011110001010101001001010010100111000101001010010100101001.....

 

I'm going to sleep, haahaha

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