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post #2326 of 21201

the basic design of the Beyer customs serires looks awfully like v-moda's... hmmm

post #2327 of 21201
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Originally Posted by Cotnijoe View Post

the basic design of the Beyer customs serires looks awfully like v-moda's... hmmm

but a lot uglier. They only got the ball half right, and knowing Beyer, they can be hit and miss - just like AKG.

post #2328 of 21201

Thank you AnakChan for your early impressions. While I love my M80s I wish the bass would be slightly more beefy at times, sort of how the LP2 bass is. I'm somewhat disappointed if the bass on the m100 isn't beefier than the M80. I hope the M100 bass has the oomph of the LP2 but has the control of the M80. I think I'm not alone in hoping for something similar to this outcome *crosses fingers*. If the M100 bas is indeed a hybrid of the LP2 and the M80, I'll be purchasing the day they come out.... forget my wedding, I gots to gets me some new cans!!!

post #2329 of 21201
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Originally Posted by agua View Post

Thank you AnakChan for your early impressions. While I love my M80s I wish the bass would be slightly more beefy at times, sort of how the LP2 bass is. I'm somewhat disappointed if the bass on the m100 isn't beefier than the M80. I hope the M100 bass has the oomph of the LP2 but has the control of the M80. I think I'm not alone in hoping for something similar to this outcome *crosses fingers*. If the M100 bas is indeed a hybrid of the LP2 and the M80, I'll be purchasing the day they come out.... forget my wedding, I gots to gets me some new cans!!!

somewhere in the last 10 pages this was dealt with.

 

Bass Heavy +15dB (LP2, Ultrasone Pro900)

Bassy +9dB (ATH M50)

 

I think val said these measures at +8dB

post #2330 of 21201
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Originally Posted by WiR3D View Post

somewhere in the last 10 pages this was dealt with.

 

Bass Heavy +15dB (LP2, Ultrasone Pro900)

Bassy +9dB (ATH M50)

 

I think val said these measures at +8dB

it'll be more beneficial to the M-100 to keep it no higher than that, especially for the rest of the sound

post #2331 of 21201
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Originally Posted by WiR3D View Post

somewhere in the last 10 pages this was dealt with.

Bass Heavy +15dB (LP2, Ultrasone Pro900)
Bassy +9dB (ATH M50)

I think val said these measures at +8dB


Uhhh your numbers are off....
LP2-15db
Pro900-9db
m50-5db
m100-8db
post #2332 of 21201
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Originally Posted by Prakhar View Post


Uhhh your numbers are off....
LP2-15db
Pro900-9db
m50-5db
m100-8db

well i got them right, but in the wrong order lol, thanks for the correction. If he was too lazy to look, I sure as as hell wasn't going to bother.

 

But having the correct info is good

post #2333 of 21201
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Originally Posted by WiR3D View Post

well i got them right, but in the wrong order lol, thanks for the correction. If he was too lazy to look, I sure as as hell wasn't going to bother.

 

But having the correct info is good

So these will have more bass than my M50's, while having better SQ? 

 

 

... Yeah - I'm in!

post #2334 of 21201

So true. I actually said the same thing at one point...I think it's a little too late though :(

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Originally Posted by Rainbow Randy View Post

This doesn't have anything to do with the M100, but I am pretty sure I could beat up Valkoton. I am the Rainbow.
I think the Bose Around Ears is fantastic as far as size and comfort go for portability. The best I know. Please copy Bose for the M100!
post #2335 of 21201
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Originally Posted by agua View Post

Thank you AnakChan for your early impressions. While I love my M80s I wish the bass would be slightly more beefy at times, sort of how the LP2 bass is. I'm somewhat disappointed if the bass on the m100 isn't beefier than the M80. I hope the M100 bass has the oomph of the LP2 but has the control of the M80. I think I'm not alone in hoping for something similar to this outcome *crosses fingers*. If the M100 bas is indeed a hybrid of the LP2 and the M80, I'll be purchasing the day they come out.... forget my wedding, I gots to gets me some new cans!!!

 

Bass on the finalized pair was measured as +8dB at 100Hz compared to 1kHz and +9dB at 100Hz compared to 2kHz according to Val so around 8~9dB probably. On average knowing V-Moda doesn't like emphasized highs the 9dB bass boost is probably a more accurate figure, how to correctly measure boosted bass is comparing the headphone's average frequency amplitude in the 200Hz+ range versus the average amplitude of the bass range, say 20~200Hz or so (below 20Hz starts to become rather irrelevant and can skew the result). 

 

M80 measures around 5~6dB boost, around similar as the "bassheavy" M50 version, it has around 5dB boost. 4~5dB or so is roughly what you'd concider to be perceived twice as loud due to the logaritmic decibel scale so comparing 5~6dB M80 vs 8~9dB M100 means quite a big difference, 3dB difference is maybe something along the lines like 70% bassier (compare LP2 being about 200% bassier than M80) so yea should be a noticable difference for sure. 8~9dB bass boost is also perfectly along the lines with my own testing where you get the ideal bass quantity vs quality ratio. :) Headphones with similar bass quantity is M-Audio Q40, Ultrasone PRO900, DT990 Pro, Ultrasone PRO2900 (well ok this last one is more like ~7dB boost). All mentioned headphones have good quality bass despite their quantity concidering. But yea bass quantity on M100 is probably very similar to M-Audio Q40 and Ultrasone PRO900 which is perfect news to my ears, that's exactly the quantity I'm looking for in headphones, 8~9dB.

 

EDIT: Here's a picture that explains properly how to measure bass quantity as I've seen many skewed ways of interpreting the frequency response graphs, I take M80's graph as an example:

 

Bass measurement.png

 

OK the average frequency amplitude should probably had be drawn slightly higher up but you get the picture. I still concider M80 to have aprox 5dB bass boost though and similar to ATH-M50 which I both concider "entry-lvl basshead quantities". Since frequency response is about balance, you compare how it stands at X frequency area compared to Y frequency area and nothing else.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 6/26/12 at 7:41am
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Originally Posted by The Doctor View Post

The secret special feature could either be:

 

1: An on board AMP switch (turning it on with an AMP would allow pure AMPED M-100 goodness while when off suits just fine with its self). I and I believe a few others suggested this idea as a means to bypass AMP only values by using the NON-AMP system to redirect the power used. In other words it will sound great in some areas, but in others (such as true bass) might lack unAMPED. Its possible, but doubtful.  I like this idea least, and doubt it most. So :)

 

 

2. A new cable (either the one Val has hinted to before or something new entirely) Totally! You mean in addition to the coiled cable? See my guess below.

 

3. A new cable locking mechanism (This was talked about lightly, basically the cable system would lock into place so that the wires would not be pulled out of the headphones so easily if you were a DJ or etc.) I, too, think this is a possibility. Several cans offer this, and I think it would be very useful for DJ/violent head-banging/crazy dancing :)

 

 

4. Removable ear pads ( Already mentioned, I can see it happening.) I thought they were already removable (i.e., same as LP/LP2)?

 

 

5. An Artificial Intelligence that mimics your own personality, tastes, and irony. Vini Vidi Vici Siri? :)

 

And last, my own guess: Did you notice how in the photos Val has the cable plugged in to the left side of the headphones (like all V-MODA cans), but he has his head turned distinctly to his right...almost as if he's trying to hide the right earcup? Hmmm...dual-sided cable entry, anyone? Maybe the new cable The Doctor referenced in his guess #2 (above) is a split-Y...aaawwww SNAP! I'd personally love to plug in on the right, because I keep my iPhone in my right pocket.

post #2337 of 21201

*Revised*

Sorry if there is an answer to this question somewhere on these forums... I am a stay at home dad during the summer and teacher otherwise and my kid won't let me read 'till I find the answer I am looking for.

 

My question is:

 

 

What are the major (known) difference between the M-80s and the M-100s? Will they be more portable?

 

 

Thanks


Edited by bejamite - 6/26/12 at 10:38am
post #2338 of 21201
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Originally Posted by Craigster75 View Post


Interesting thought on the venting system- maybe it is user adjustable- like shutters that open and close  to increase isolation and bass performance or create openness.

 

JACK OF ALL TRADES HEADPHONES = MASTER OF NONE

 

Less is more... This is why I've been "anti-hinge", "anti-rotate" and "anti-fold" for so many years.  its the same as why we used to have keyboards and folding phones, now we don't.  Think about it...  

 

Things like this can't be done easily IMHO, at least in this level we are competing at AND striving for 6 star ratings for durability.  There is way too much of a cascading effect to the overall sound.  Its like the vertically integrated Apple vs Android ecosystem. It takes us many YEARS to develop our sound curves with the fit, ventilation etc in one configuration.  M-80 = 6 years.  LP = 4 years.  LP2 = 5 years.  M-100 = 6 years.  Revolver = 8 years and isn't out.


Software is the answer for the rest.  Using EQ is the answer to finely adjust the bass or bump up trebles to account for the mastering of songs. Openness can be done with the right balance in one headphone or owning multiple headphones. The 3d/spatial effect can be done with the aforementioned open/close balance plus our "VQ" software + amplifiers.   

 

And don't forget as Steve from CNET said today, MASTERING/RECORDING OF THE TRACKS IS EVERYTHING TOO.  And it is getting way worse:

 

"if musicians see recorded music as promotional devices, the quality of recorded music can only get worse." -Steve Guttenberg, CNET 


Edited by valkolton - 6/26/12 at 7:49am
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post #2339 of 21201

I think flip-phones were popular because the small size was in vogue and representative of the peak technological achievements at the time. Current high tech cell phones are bigger, but still pocketable.

 

Folding headphones won't be out of style until people stop putting them in their bag. Oh wait a second...

 

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Anyone else think this staunchly no-fold stance is just a forced attempt to further promote wearing headphones as a fashion accessory to get the VMODA name out there...?

 

These guys should hire me to do their marketing, these tactics are kind of transparent and a little sickening IMO...


Edited by Gilly87 - 6/26/12 at 8:09am
post #2340 of 21201

I need sleep.

 

Ok. Thank you Val for everything and all other head-fiers helping out around here.

 

I have been lurking Val's posts for a few months now, and well it's time to post :P

 

About AnakChan's latest post with the brownish M-100. It's a pretty case. It makes me want to want a pouch just to protect the case. The headband's material of the M-100 on that pic, I think I don't like much, because it doesn't seem like something one could clean easily (like wipe it off), or clean at all if it gets dirty. Also, the material of the bottom of the headband used on all the crossfades, seems like a material that it can not be cleaned easily, if it get's dirty. You know, the greenish material at the bottom of the headband. This is just from pics. I've never seen a V-Moda headphone in person.

 

Ok, thanks again :) - Currently so tired :P (tongue out for exhaustion)


Edited by olpne - 6/26/12 at 8:21am
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