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post #2176 of 14688
6/23/12 at 12:42pm
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Originally Posted by Gclef View Post


Interesting.  I think the bass is somewhat bloated on the M-80, it's certainly not tight and controlled.  And when you couple that with it being rolled off up top, I can see why it may appear bassy to some.  I'm sure the M-100's will improve on comfort moving to a circumaural design, but unless they tighten up the bass and add even just a little more detail, it's the same ol' same ol' (soft) mediocre headphones.

I actually didn't find the bass loose and bloated at all...what sort of source are you using?

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post #2177 of 14688
6/23/12 at 12:44pm
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Originally Posted by Craigster75 View Post


I have seen 180 degree variations of sound perception regarding headphone characteristics.  I have read reviews where someone would describe a headphone as harsh and sibilant and another review would describe that same headphone as dark or veiled.  While this can be incredibly confusing, I look for consistencies from multiple reviews.  Also, I will listen to reviewed headphones for myself and see which reviewers I am most in agreement with and put more credence in their review.  I do this not because their review is more valid, but simply because it more closely matches my personal listening taste.  Sometimes I read reviews that are so different from my perception, I ask, "How is this possible?" but then I step back and respect the opinion, as long as I believe it is their sincere evaluation of the headphone.


My hat goes off to you.  I consider myself a very fair-minded and flexible person, as well as intelligent and sensible.  With that said, I do believe the extremes you referenced most certainly do exist, however, I attribute them to impairment and/or liability, not subjectivity.  If you have 20 reviewers calling something bright and 1 calling it dark, what's the logical conclusion of that one person?  Either their hearing is impaired, perhaps they can't hear above ~x (k)hz, or they're simply trying to garner some attention for themselves.  Personally, I can confidently discard their review - no disrespect intended.  Subjectivity certainly has its place, but it's way overblown.

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post #2178 of 14688
6/23/12 at 12:52pm
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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post

Best is if the reviewer tries to stay as objective as possible, he just tries to describe the sound of it based on experience with different headphones (= objective) and not say this is good or bad cuz it sounds like X or Y IMO (= subjective). This only works though if you got wide enough experience of headphones so you can roughly know where they stand like in different aspects against each other. Some people like emphasized highs, others a bit rolled-off highs etc so it's the reviewers job to tell whichever it is but not take stand to if it's good or bad IMO, that's up to the reader to interpret knowing his own personal taste in sound (if he/she even does know that though).

Totally agreed. Joker does an excellent job of this IMO.
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post #2179 of 14688
6/23/12 at 1:12pm
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Originally Posted by DaBomb77766 View Post
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I actually didn't find the bass loose and bloated at all...what sort of source are you using?


Maybe bloated is the wrong term?  Would you say the bass is tight and controlled?  I don't think so.  I really don't know how to describe what I'm hearing.  It almost sounds as if there's a cloud hanging over the sound.  Not a veil - a more open and airy dampening of the sound.  Hard to explain.  From my perspective, there's no edge to the notes.  The overall sound is really soft, not lively.  I don't like bright and highly detailed sound, but I do need some - I need to hear definition and separation, and the M80's (to my ears) don't reach an acceptable level in those areas.  Maybe that's what gives me the impression of bloat?  I really don't know.  Nonetheless, what I'm saying here is way too critical of these headphones.  They're not as extreme as I'm describing them, I was just trying to be as specific as possible with my experience.  Overall, I think they sound very good. 

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post #2180 of 14688
6/23/12 at 1:22pm
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Originally Posted by Gclef View Post


Maybe bloated is the wrong term?  Would you say the bass is tight and controlled?  I don't think so.  I really don't know how to describe what I'm hearing.  It almost sounds as if there's a cloud hanging over the sound.  Not a veil - a more open and airy dampening of the sound.  Hard to explain.  From my perspective, there's no edge to the notes.  The overall sound is really soft, not lively.  I don't like bright and highly detailed sound, but I do need some - I need to hear definition and separation, and the M80's (to my ears) don't reach an acceptable level in those areas.  Maybe that's what gives me the impression of bloat?  I really don't know.  Nonetheless, what I'm saying here is way too critical of these headphones.  They're not as extreme as I'm describing them, I was just trying to be as specific as possible with my experience.  Overall, I think they sound very good. 

Yeah, I think we're just misunderstanding our terms here.  I definitely agree that it sounds a bit veiled, especially coming directly from a different pair of headphones that actually has a sharper presentation.  That was actually my first impression of these, coming directly from the GR07.  I've found that after using them enough though, I can look over that part of the presentation - they just become nice and pleasant to listen to.  Have you tried listening to them exclusively for a day or so yet?  That's what it took for me to really like them.

 

Of course it could just be that this style of headphone might just be mutually incompatible with what you like.  Val did say that the M-100 will have less treble roll-off and it will extend a bit higher - it will also have somewhat more powerful bass, which might not be what you want at all.

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post #2181 of 14688
6/23/12 at 2:15pm

Just saw the tweet that said Val is the Steve Jobs of the headphone world. If only she knew about Head-Fi.

Steve Jobs - Maniacal control freak who never let input from focus groups or his engineers (all-glass body is too fragile, metal band around phone will interfere with internal antenna) alter his view of form over function or vice versa. Steve controlled every aspect of design, down to the type of silicon used in his products. Whatever Steve wanted, Steve got.

 

Val Kolton - Not only open to suggestions from his engineers, but open to suggestions and feedback from the audio community and his fan base. Participates extensively on the Head-Fi forums keeping the community updated on nearly every detail of the production process while actively seeking advice on his upcoming products in the months (and weeks) leading up to the product's release.

 

The only commonality I find between you two are you are both extremely hardworking, visionary geniuses who, through your uncompromising ideals toward product design, create justified fanboyism based solely on the quality of the products you produce.

I guess that tweeter was half-right.

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post #2182 of 14688
6/23/12 at 2:57pm

Lets call them The Misfits or the M-Alpha's

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post #2183 of 14688
6/23/12 at 4:18pm
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Originally Posted by MusicCrave93 View Post

Lets call them The Misfits or the M-Alpha's

I think calling them the M99's would be best.

 

Also, a few more questions for you, Val:

  1. In terms of accessories, what's the full list of them that come with the Headphones?
  • One set of shields or two?
  • 3 Cables + Case.. Anything else?
  • Any new colors of ear shields being launched alongside the M-100's?
  1. If someone orders a white/silver PPU, can they get a "gumetal" (Matte/Brushed feel) shield with it, instead of a "silver" (glossy/reflective) shield?
  • ​Vice Versa for the Shadow M-100 PPU?
  1. What was the hardest part of creating these?
  • How'd you get around them?
  • Any snags in development that you'd like to talk about?

 

 

Also - I think I speak for everyone when I say:

WE NEED GLORIOUS EYE CANDY - WHERE ARE THE PICTURES, VAL?

Pretty Please? Sorry for the repost

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post #2184 of 14688
6/23/12 at 7:12pm

Anyone watching the Hooters swimsuit pageant on FX?  The DJ is Colleen Shannon and it looks like she is wearing V-Modas!

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post #2185 of 14688
6/23/12 at 7:25pm
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Originally Posted by largemouth bass View Post

Anyone watching the Hooters swimsuit pageant on FX?  The DJ is Colleen Shannon and it looks like she is wearing V-Modas!

Watching "Hooters" while scouting for "Cans." Multi-tasking at its best.

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post #2186 of 14688
6/23/12 at 7:38pm
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Originally Posted by SpiderNhan View Post

Watching "Hooters" while scouting for "Cans." Multi-tasking at its best.


+1

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post #2187 of 14688
6/23/12 at 7:45pm

Easy boys you don't want to trip over your tongues and hurt yourselves

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post #2188 of 14688
6/23/12 at 7:46pm
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Originally Posted by DigitalFreak View Post

Easy boys you don't want to trip over your tongues and hurt yourselves

Let's just say their tongues aren't the only thing hanging out?

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post #2189 of 14688
6/23/12 at 7:54pm
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Originally Posted by BRSxIgnition View Post

Let's just say their tongues aren't the only thing hanging out?

nooooo

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post #2190 of 14688
6/23/12 at 7:57pm
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Originally Posted by BRSxIgnition View Post

Let's just say their tongues aren't the only thing hanging out?


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Any who, I'm getting myself ready for the M-100 release. I've already sold my Sony MDR EX 500, Klipsh X10 and Apple Nano on the for sale forums in an attempt to get the needed bones together for the M-100. If I can move my iGrado and mid-fi IEM's I should have the funds needed.

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