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Originally Posted by Craigster75 View Post


50mm drivers, circumaural, foldable, durable, stylish, interchangeable custom shields available, launching in white and gunmetal (launch date not confirmed) includes multiple cables.  Sound expected to be similar to M80 with bigger soundstage, improved bass and high end; anticipation these will become an instant classic as the best sounding headphone ever made for $300. 

 

Did I cover everything in the shorthand version?

 

WAIT...WHAT?!

 

Is this confirmed? I know there were some pre/proto M-100's out there that were gunmetal but I thought they would not be using it in production in favor of the "Shadow" theme?

 

Oh god, if this is true I do not know how happy I will be. I loved the Shadow look, but I love the Gunmetal look all the more!

post #2117 of 20874
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WAIT...WHAT?!

 

Is this confirmed? I know there were some pre/proto M-100's out there that were gunmetal but I thought they would not be using it in production in favor of the "Shadow" theme?

 

Oh god, if this is true I do not know how happy I will be. I loved the Shadow look, but I love the Gunmetal look all the more!


The posts have been flying lately, but I am almost sure gunmetal and white were mentioned specifically as launch colors.

post #2118 of 20874

i've been on head-fi here for a few weeks now researching what iems and heaphones i should get, and after reading through all 140 pages for a week straight, i've settled on the m-100s. from what i've seen, most audiophile headphones tend to lack oomph in the bass department, and vice versa, so i'm really excited for these m-100s. unfortunately, since white isn't my color, i'll be skipping the pre-production model (even though i really want val's signature), but i'll definitely be getting the m-100s in shadow at launch. i've spent already spent a few hours looking for images to put on the interchangeable shields lol xD

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The posts have been flying lately, but I am almost sure gunmetal and white were mentioned specifically as launch colors.

You're both wrong (if my memory serves me correctly - it usually does)

 

I've read through this entire thread (all 142 pages) - starting about a week ago; and started posting on it a few days ago. The only two colors confirmed by Val Kolton for launch are White and "Shadow" - no "Gunmetal" headphone variation has been announced, or even hinted at. He did say that they will try for more variations as it goes on, but they are launching in "Shadow" and White only.

 

The PPUs (Pre Production Units) are also confirmed to all be white, which leads to the questions of:

  • Will they come with everything a normal unit would? (Case/Cables/Accessories)
  • If yes, will the case also be White?
  • What ear-shields will be included in the package? (Teal? Milano Red? Gunmetal? Other?)
  • If we will be able to order custom ear-shields with the PPUs.

 

^ The above questions are directed at Val Kolton, but opinions are welcome. ^

 

 

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It's not quite possible to get M80's sound and LP2's bass, it's just not theoretically possible, trust me. The LP2s have extreme basshead quantities, aprox 15dB boost measured or very similar to XB500 and also shapewise it looks very similar to XB500 while M80 only has like up to 6dB boost at the highest peak / ~5dB average measured. 

 

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I've yet to hear any headphone with 10dB+ bass boost with "audiophile" sound quality. If I was Val or whoever who decides on these things I'd strive for 9dB measured bass quantity or so, that's a good in-between level that will get as many people happy as possible. My personal ratings go like +5dB = entry level basshead (ATH-M50, M80), basshead = +10dB (Beats, Ultrasone PRO900 etc), extreme basshead +15dB = (XB500, LP1/2, PRO700MK2 etc)  

 

For example the M-Audio Q40 have about 8~9dB measured bass boost and that's roughly the ideal amount in terms of bass quantity vs quality ratio from my testing, it's hard to remain good quality with boosts over 10dB or so.

 

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Yea well that's also the thing I've tested, using an amp with bass boost capabilities to boost the bass beyond 10dB levels works better than a headphone with 10dB+ out of box, it just does so it just doesn't make sense to go for 10dB+ bass to please extreme bassheads as they get better results with buying a bass boost amp in that case anyway and for a $300 headphone 10dB bass boosts or above doesn't make sense as by that price segment sound quality starts to become an important factor, well that's my 0.20. 9dB or so is the ideal bass quantity vs quality ratio in the headphone itself (discluding bass boost amps/EQing from that figure) from my experimenting. Of course it'll vary on the headphone driver and the cup design, dampening etc exactly how great the bass quality is but now talking "average" figures, averagely configured cup/venting design etc.

 

Taking Q40 vs LP2 as an example, the Q40 beats LP2 in terms of bass response quality when both are brought to the same levels of bass with help of for example digiZoid ZO and the amp used with both headphones, say on lvl1-2 with LP2 that has more bass out of box and then adjusting ZO bass contour level for Q40 to reach that same point. Again it's completely different drivers, cup design etc so it's a bit silly comparision but I've seen this pattern comparing many different headphones like this so and do it with a large enough amount of headphones, the statistics itself will start to speak the truth (I'm sure Val works a lot with statistics for M100 for all the "evaluations" he's recieved), around 8~9dB out of box on the headphone itself seems to bring the best end result in terms of bass response quantity versus quality.

 

Thanks for that info - its really cool how things have to be balanced, and you can't make a headphone for all purposes, it has to me (for the most part) built for one purpose only. I hope we get a good, balanced M-100, but that it still has punchy, ~ 9-10db bass.


Edited by BRSxIgnition - 6/22/12 at 5:01pm
post #2120 of 20874
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You're both wrong (if my memory serves me correctly - it usually does)

 

I've read through this entire thread (all 142 pages) - starting about a week ago; and started posting on it a few days ago. The only two colors confirmed by Val Kolton for launch are White and "Shadow" - no "Gunmetal" headphone variation has been announced, or even hinted at. He did say that they will try for more variations as it goes on, but they are launching in "Shadow" and White only.

 

The PPUs (Pre Production Units) are also confirmed to all be white, which leads to the questions of:

  • Will they come with everything a normal unit would? (Case/Cables/Accessories)
  • If yes, will the case also be White?
  • What ear-shields will be included in the package? (Teal? Milano Red? Gunmetal? Other?)
  • If we will be able to order custom ear-shields with the PPUs.

 

^ The above questions are directed at Val Kolton, but opinions are welcome. ^

 

 

 

Thanks for that info - its really cool how things have to be balanced, and you can't make a headphone for all purposes, it has to me (for the most part) built for one purpose only. I hope we get a good, balanced M-100, but that it still has punchy, ~ 9-10db bass.

You will be able to order custom ear shields with them I'm sure, since the custom shields will be the same as the ones on the LP.

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Originally Posted by valkolton View Post

CMF

CMF is COLORS MATERIAL AND FINISH.  What do you think of doing the following 4 CMFs for M-100?  We may not be able to make them all, but these are our prototypes I'm making:
 
1) GOLD/BLACK (like the protos in the wild CHUCKIE, ERICK MORILLO and I are testing at gigs)
2) WHITE/BLUE
3) SHADOW (like M-80)
4) WHITE

 

Yeah no mention of releasing a gunmetal one yet. :|

post #2122 of 20874
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Originally Posted by Mike96 View Post

 

Yeah no mention of releasing a gunmetal one yet. :|

Yeah - and what you quoted was older than his more recent "White and Shadow" announcement too.

post #2123 of 20874
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Yeah no mention of releasing a gunmetal one yet. :|


Sorry about that, maybe just wishful thinking on my part.

post #2124 of 20874
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Originally Posted by BRSxIgnition View Post

Yeah - and what you quoted was older than his more recent "White and Shadow" announcement too.

 

I know, but those are the only colors he has mentioned that the M-100 will be in for now I believe.

 

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Sorry about that, maybe just wishful thinking on my part.

 

Your not alone with that wishful thinking. :P

 

I like the Shadow color scheme and all, but i don't want my future M-100 to have the same color scheme as my M80. I wouldn't mind having any of the other color schemes he has mentioned, but i would like to have a Gunmetal one most of all if not then Black/Gold. lol

post #2125 of 20874
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I know, but those are the only colors he has mentioned that the M-100 will be in for now I believe.

 

No, I think it was in the same post that he announced the PPUs in, but he said they were all in white, and in an earlier post, he mentioned only White/Shadow for launch.

post #2126 of 20874
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Originally Posted by BRSxIgnition View Post

No, I think it was in the same post that he announced the PPUs in, but he said they were all in white, and in an earlier post, he mentioned only White/Shadow for launch.


Oh no i was just talking about all the stock M-100 colors not the PPUs. lol


Edited by Mike96 - 6/22/12 at 7:50pm
post #2127 of 20874

I too have tried and failed to get in Val's head and decipher his cryptic messages.  But so far this is all we really know...

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We decided to make the first 100 pre-production units in White today. 

 


Edited by largemouth bass - 6/23/12 at 1:19am
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I don't necessarily think "battle scars" would lose their novelty, at least so long as the sound is pleasant (even if slightly unique). Check out this article on "worn objects" with the "patina of use":
http://berglondon.com/blog/2010/09/03/patina/

 

LOTS OF POSTS.  It is hard to focus on the production/marketing rollout and respond to everybody, but I'll read them all and post when I can, perhaps someone can compile unanswered Qs and PM me.

 

Pre-Production "SURVIVORS" vs "NEW" Models

I see what some of you are asking for - our drop, bend, salt spray, UV, extreme heat/cold, etc MIL-STD-810G survivors.  Interesting...  I was originally only thinking of selling the fresh brand new ones that are not sacrificed in our destructive testing labs.  In fact, I'm not sure where these models usually end up to be honest.  They just "disappear" and are probably stored or recycled.

 

As mentioned, however, these are historical soldiers as they are the brave ones that sacrificed themselves for a greater good of sound. They should be restored and adorned.  Perhaps some head-fiers can take them and patina the metal, that'd be very sick as I love that look. I'll think about this some more.

 

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Quantity and Plan:

The plan now is to make 300 White Silver and 300 Shadows to test the product and our assembly line processes.  Due to a part that hasn't arrived for the grey ear cushions, the Shadows are going first. Things do change rapidly as some parts arrive from component factories in other countries. 

 

Approximately 100 of each color will be sent through destructive testing and it takes about 10 days to get the results.  After we test and sort the remaining 200x2, we'll have "golden" units for Beta testing internally, press, sales and now for sale to the community.  I won't know the yield quantity of what I can sell until after the production and testing.  Sometimes this yield is as low as 10% (usually in-ears), but can be as high as nearly 95% such as Crossfade LP and M-80.

 

-V      


Edited by valkolton - 6/22/12 at 9:01pm
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post #2129 of 20874

My math is kinda fuzzy.  Does this mean there will be 400 pre-production units? (not including the 200 for destruction lab testing)

 

edit:  disregard...just re-read the part about yield quantity.  Hope everything goes well!


Edited by largemouth bass - 6/22/12 at 9:17pm
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I was born for destruction.  Let me know if you need a hand.

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