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post #2086 of 21182
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Originally Posted by BRSxIgnition View Post


Because of the v-vents on the cups, I don't expect them to isolate too well. This was the case with the M80's and LP2's.
But keep in mind, they are not open headphones, so they still do isolate quite a bit, just not quite as much as a proper sealed headphone. The HD-25-ii is an example of a fully sealed on ear headphone.


The M-100 may offer better isolation based on circumaural cups compared to supra-aural for the HD-25ii.

post #2087 of 21182
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Originally Posted by Craigster75 View Post


The M-100 may offer better isolation based on circumaural cups compared to supra-aural for the HD-25ii.

 

I'm not too certain about that. I've tried tried the HD-25ii (and used to own the old HD-25 10 yrs back), and bought my friend the LP2 as a gift for X'mas last year. In addition I've tried the prototype M-100 last month. To me the prototype M-100 felt very much like the LP2 and the LP2 doesn't isolate as much as the HD-25.

 

I believe the M-100 is also ported too (let me double check my pix!!).

 

The HD-25ii isolates really well due to it's clamping force - same reason why I got rid of mine years back 'cos it was giving me headaches.

 

Edit: Yes the prototype M-100 is (was?) ported.

post #2088 of 21182
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Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post

 

I'm not too certain about that. I've tried tried the HD-25ii (and used to own the old HD-25 10 yrs back), and bought my friend the LP2 as a gift for X'mas last year. In addition I've tried the prototype M-100 last month. To me the prototype M-100 felt very much like the LP2 and the LP2 doesn't isolate as much as the HD-25.

 

I believe the M-100 is also ported too (let me double check my pix!!).

 

The HD-25ii isolates really well due to it's clamping force - same reason why I got rid of mine years back 'cos it was giving me headaches.


I defer to your personal experience and was making an assumption based on past general comparison of circumaural vs. supra-aural regarding isolation related to the seal.

post #2089 of 21182

I'm real interested in a pre-production pair

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As much as I would love a pre-production model, considering that they are white I will probably wait out until the production models come by. THAT IS HOWEVER, unless he has some of those All black pre/proto models that were shown in Japan.

 

 

Also, did Val just confirm that the M-100 is no longer AMP dependent? That it can now sound great even without one?

 

This is very interesting news to me!

post #2091 of 21182

FIRST POST WOOP...

 

I was on my way to buying a set of LP2's when i saw a mention of these cans and it really threw a spanner in the works, Anyway, really interested in these cans, and having just spent a very long time reading the start of this forum and gave up at page 30 odd... I was just wandering if anyone could give ma a quick re-cap and outline the cans for me :)

 

Also, Val, I was wandering if there are any UK High street Stores stocking V-moda Products as i am yet to see them on the shelves only online...

 

Thanx Guys.

post #2092 of 21182
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Originally Posted by The Doctor View Post
Also, did Val just confirm that the M-100 is no longer AMP dependent? That it can now sound great even without one?

 

This is very interesting news to me!

I believe he did.  He also added that they would benefit from an amp (synergy with VAMP).  I'm wondering if this means 32 ohm, 64 ohm or somewhere in between?

post #2093 of 21182
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Originally Posted by BRSxIgnition View Post

Definitely wait then - the M-100's goal is to take the neutral EQ and "open" sound-stage from the M-80, and combine it with the better bass of the LP2, and put it into one headphone. The pre-production units should be ready within the week/early next week (my estimate), and the full launch should be around July 4th.

 

It's not quite possible to get M80's sound and LP2's bass, it's just not theoretically possible, trust me. The LP2s have extreme basshead quantities, aprox 15dB boost measured or very similar to XB500 and also shapewise it looks very similar to XB500 while M80 only has like up to 6dB boost at the highest peak / ~5dB average measured. 

 

lp2.png

m80.png

 

I've yet to hear any headphone with 10dB+ bass boost with "audiophile" sound quality. If I was Val or whoever who decides on these things I'd strive for 9dB measured bass quantity or so, that's a good in-between level that will get as many people happy as possible. My personal ratings go like +5dB = entry level basshead (ATH-M50, M80), basshead = +10dB (Beats, Ultrasone PRO900 etc), extreme basshead +15dB = (XB500, LP1/2, PRO700MK2 etc)  

 

For example the M-Audio Q40 have about 8~9dB measured bass boost and that's roughly the ideal amount in terms of bass quantity vs quality ratio from my testing, it's hard to remain good quality with boosts over 10dB or so.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 6/22/12 at 9:35am
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Yup 9-10dB would be bang on in my book...there is always a ZO2 for those times you want a bassmassage

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Originally Posted by danny93 View Post

Yup 9-10dB would be bang on in my book...there is always a ZO2 for those times you want a bassmassage

 

Yea well that's also the thing I've tested, using an amp with bass boost capabilities to boost the bass beyond 10dB levels works better than a headphone with 10dB+ out of box, it just does so it just doesn't make sense to go for 10dB+ bass to please extreme bassheads as they get better results with buying a bass boost amp in that case anyway and for a $300 headphone 10dB bass boosts or above doesn't make sense as by that price segment sound quality starts to become an important factor, well that's my 0.20. 9dB or so is the ideal bass quantity vs quality ratio in the headphone itself (discluding bass boost amps/EQing from that figure) from my experimenting. Of course it'll vary on the headphone driver and the cup design, dampening etc exactly how great the bass quality is but now talking "average" figures, averagely configured cup/venting design etc.

 

Taking Q40 vs LP2 as an example, the Q40 beats LP2 in terms of bass response quality when both are brought to the same levels of bass with help of for example digiZoid ZO and the amp used with both headphones, say on lvl1-2 with LP2 that has more bass out of box and then adjusting ZO bass contour level for Q40 to reach that same point. Again it's completely different drivers, cup design etc so it's a bit silly comparision but I've seen this pattern comparing many different headphones like this so and do it with a large enough amount of headphones, the statistics itself will start to speak the truth (I'm sure Val works a lot with statistics for M100 for all the "evaluations" he's recieved), around 8~9dB out of box on the headphone itself seems to bring the best end result in terms of bass response quantity versus quality.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 6/22/12 at 10:59am
post #2096 of 21182
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Originally Posted by SamWidge View Post

FIRST POST WOOP...

 

I was on my way to buying a set of LP2's when i saw a mention of these cans and it really threw a spanner in the works, Anyway, really interested in these cans, and having just spent a very long time reading the start of this forum and gave up at page 30 odd... I was just wandering if anyone could give ma a quick re-cap and outline the cans for me :)

 

Also, Val, I was wandering if there are any UK High street Stores stocking V-moda Products as i am yet to see them on the shelves only online...

 

Thanx Guys.


Anyone ??

post #2097 of 21182
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Originally Posted by SamWidge View Post


Anyone ??


50mm drivers, circumaural, foldable, durable, stylish, interchangeable custom shields available, launching in white and gunmental (launch date not confirmed) includes multiple cables.  Sound expected to be similar to M80 with bigger soundstage, improved bass and high end; anticipation these will become an instant classic as the best sounding headphone ever made for $300. 

 

Did I cover everything in the shorthand version?

post #2098 of 21182
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Originally Posted by Craigster75 View Post

Did I cover everything in the shorthand version?

 

Lots and lots hype and high expectations. My expectations go a little lower as if they'd manage to pull that one it would be quite an astonishing feat at the price point, too many different factors involved in this business to make it fully meet the levels of the hype IMO.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 6/22/12 at 10:55am
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Also no UK high streets as I know stock any V-Moda products...I went down London (tottenham court road) and none of the shops have even heard of V-Moda (most likly place in all of UK to have any)...hopefully things will change although I feel as though I will like the exclusivity of owning some M100´s in the UK

 

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Originally Posted by Craigster75 View Post

Did I cover everything in the shorthand version?

I believe you did...also no need for an amp to sound good or to have ample volume but the M100 SQ wise will apparently benefit from one 


Edited by danny93 - 6/22/12 at 10:58am
post #2100 of 21182
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Originally Posted by valkolton View Post

EZ

SWEET!! now that i've recently fallen into some cash I just have to decide whether I want a pre-production set or wait for the full release to get the color scheme I want

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