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Originally Posted by dcfac73 View Post

 

If you want a DAC/AMP, you'll have to make sure it's MFI (Made For IOS) compatible. If it's just an AMP you're after, I'm not sure that analogue audio is possible through the LOD (Line Out Dock) from the Touch. Anyone please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

That's not true really.  You do not need to use a MFI w/ iOS.  As mentioned a little earlier, you can use the Lightning to 30 pin and then the appropriate Fiio cable if you go w/ the e07k or another Fiio device.

 

Or, like me, you can use the Camera Connection Kit w/ iOS and most USB DACS (like the aforementioned JDS Labs C5D).  I've been doing it for months with my C5D.


Edited by dbdynsty25 - 5/2/14 at 7:48am
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Originally Posted by dbdynsty25 View Post

That's not true really.  You do not need to use a MFI w/ iOS.  As mentioned a little earlier, you can use the Lightning to 30 pin and then the appropriate Fiio cable if you go w/ the e07k or another Fiio device.

Or, like me, you can use the Camera Connection Kit w/ iOS and most USB DACS (like the aforementioned JDS Labs C5D).  I've been doing it for months with my C5D.

This is probably the wrong thread to ask this but if u do that using the lod ur not bypassing the say itouch's dock.

I dunno i dont like the idea of using an aux cable as the input and using the amp rhat way. Ur essentially double amping(u can add volume on the device and the amp) like say a fiio e6 with a sansa clip.

Is the verza the only amp that can bypass the ios dac??
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Originally Posted by Tom22 View Post

This is probably the wrong thread to ask this but if u do that using the lod ur not bypassing the say itouch's dock.

I dunno i dont like the idea of using an aux cable as the input and using the amp rhat way. Ur essentially double amping(u can add volume on the device and the amp) like say a fiio e6 with a sansa clip.

Is the verza the only amp that can bypass the ios dac??

I guess you didn't read what I wrote. The C5D w the lightning to 30 pin or the CCK is not double amping. One and only volume control and that's on the amp.
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Originally Posted by dbdynsty25 View Post


I guess you didn't read what I wrote. The C5D w the lightning to 30 pin or the CCK is not double amping. One and only volume control and that's on the amp.

oh reading what i wrote there i don't know what i was say the second half. sorry abut that

 

what i meant is really in the first part which was if you use the lighting to 30 pin and then use a lod cable to say i dunno a fiio e11. from my knowledge, correct me if i'm wrong your not actually bypassing the ipod touch's internal dac but amplifying that signal and "colouring" it to the fiio e11 sound.

 

since getting the xs i also purchased a used 64 gb ipod touch, and i actually prefer it unamped compare to using my fiio e6. its a leaner sound but cleaner. even on the m100s the fiio gives the bass and mids a bit more thickness but unamped i didn't really find the sound quality "degraded" its just leaner and actually let the upper treble come through more and the mids clearer  a bit less warm.

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Originally Posted by dbdynsty25 View Post


I guess you didn't read what I wrote. The C5D w the lightning to 30 pin or the CCK is not double amping. One and only volume control and that's on the amp.

sorry for the double post, i would like to try another amp down the road that would help with the xs with a bit more subass oomph and treble extension and emphasis plus a bit more wider soundstage, while staying close the $100 mark. Any thoughts or suggestions?

 

sounds like i'm asking a lot but any recommendations that will synergize well with the xs and maybe the m100s?

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Since I bought my M-100's I've been using them with my Galaxy Note 3 & E18. I've now switched to a Rockboxed Sansa Clip+ and while it's not quite as good I'd say it's probably 90% of the sound but only 20% of the mass.

Anyone looking to buy a well loved E18?
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Originally Posted by Tom22 View Post
 

oh reading what i wrote there i don't know what i was say the second half. sorry abut that

 

what i meant is really in the first part which was if you use the lighting to 30 pin and then use a lod cable to say i dunno a fiio e11. from my knowledge, correct me if i'm wrong your not actually bypassing the ipod touch's internal dac but amplifying that signal and "colouring" it to the fiio e11 sound.

 

since getting the xs i also purchased a used 64 gb ipod touch, and i actually prefer it unamped compare to using my fiio e6. its a leaner sound but cleaner. even on the m100s the fiio gives the bass and mids a bit more thickness but unamped i didn't really find the sound quality "degraded" its just leaner and actually let the upper treble come through more and the mids clearer  a bit less warm.

 

You're bypassing the iPod Touch's (or iPhone's internal DAC) as the lightning connector outputs digital information only (no analog).  However, the lightning to 30-pin connector has a Wolfson DAC inside, that isn't bypassed when you use the LOD.  What happens then is that the Wolfson DAC is used inside of the adapter while the Fiio (or other DAC/AMP) E11's AMP is used (it won't go through a second DAC though, it'd make no sense to). 

 

So the diagram looks like this:

[digital out] -> [30-pin adapter Wolfson] -> [Fiio E11 AMP] -> [Headphones]

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Originally Posted by Tom22 View Post
 

oh reading what i wrote there i don't know what i was say the second half. sorry abut that

 

what i meant is really in the first part which was if you use the lighting to 30 pin and then use a lod cable to say i dunno a fiio e11. from my knowledge, correct me if i'm wrong your not actually bypassing the ipod touch's internal dac but amplifying that signal and "colouring" it to the fiio e11 sound.

 

since getting the xs i also purchased a used 64 gb ipod touch, and i actually prefer it unamped compare to using my fiio e6. its a leaner sound but cleaner. even on the m100s the fiio gives the bass and mids a bit more thickness but unamped i didn't really find the sound quality "degraded" its just leaner and actually let the upper treble come through more and the mids clearer  a bit less warm.

Your Ipod Touch 3rd Gen, and iPhone 4 do not need a lightning cable, just the Fiio L9 30 pin LOD.  You are correct about not bypassing the iPod's internal DAC.  The path is music file->iPod DAC->L9 Line Out Dock->amp. 

 

Regarding the "unamped" comments, try reading this article: iPod Touch Audio Quality.

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Originally Posted by dbdynsty25 View Post
 

 

That's not true really.  You do not need to use a MFI w/ iOS.  As mentioned a little earlier, you can use the Lightning to 30 pin and then the appropriate Fiio cable if you go w/ the e07k or another Fiio device.

 

Or, like me, you can use the Camera Connection Kit w/ iOS and most USB DACS (like the aforementioned JDS Labs C5D).  I've been doing it for months with my C5D.


Are you sure about your first point?

The JDS C5D is MFI. If you try the CCK with other non-MFI products , they will not work.

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Originally Posted by dcfac73 View Post
 


Are you sure about your first point?

The JDS C5D is MFI. If you try the CCK with other non-MFI products , they will not work.

From the JDS Labs Blog:

 

"JDS Labs has applied twice in the past 3 years and has yet to receive a go ahead. This leaves us with three options: We can either source generic Lightning cables from non-MFi certified manufacturers, or we can partner with an MFi approved developer, or we can continue to wait for our own MFi certification.

We’ve found several overseas vendors willing to product custom Lightning cables, but we have no interest in breaking Apple’s MFi agreement or distributing cables which may not always work. So, generic cables are not an option. We’ll continue seeking a path of MFi approved production."

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Originally Posted by Zorrofox View Post

Since I bought my M-100's I've been using them with my Galaxy Note 3 & E18. I've now switched to a Rockboxed Sansa Clip+ and while it's not quite as good I'd say it's probably 90% of the sound but only 20% of the mass.

Anyone looking to buy a well loved E18?
I have also acquired a Sansa player recently (Clip Zip). It's really that good that you're giving up your E18? Interesting. What's your desktop setup?
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Originally Posted by thx1000 View Post
 

From the JDS Labs Blog:

 

"JDS Labs has applied twice in the past 3 years and has yet to receive a go ahead. This leaves us with three options: We can either source generic Lightning cables from non-MFi certified manufacturers, or we can partner with an MFi approved developer, or we can continue to wait for our own MFi certification.

We’ve found several overseas vendors willing to product custom Lightning cables, but we have no interest in breaking Apple’s MFi agreement or distributing cables which may not always work. So, generic cables are not an option. We’ll continue seeking a path of MFi approved production."


Well they advertise this product as being compatible with ipad and ipod touch. I thought this was the same as MFi certified. Anyways, I would advise the poster of the original question of which products were compatible with the Touch to check the manufacturer's website to make sure first.

Also ru sure about Fiio dac/amps being compatible with IOS? I don't have either a CCK or lightening to 30 pin cable to verify.

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Originally Posted by SpiderNhan View Post

I have also acquired a Sansa player recently (Clip Zip). It's really that good that you're giving up your E18? Interesting. What's your desktop setup?

It's not that it's fantastic or anything but it's more than good enough for portable use. At home I use an ODAC XL/O2 combo. That is a serious step up in quality for relatively little outlay.
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Originally Posted by dcfac73 View Post


Well they advertise this product as being compatible with ipad and ipod touch. I thought this was the same as MFi certified. Anyways, I would advise the poster of the original question of which products were compatible with the Touch to check the manufacturer's website to make sure first.
Also ru sure about Fiio dac/amps being compatible with IOS? I don't have either a CCK or lightening to 30 pin cable to verify.

No "Made for iPhone/iPad" logo that is on all MFi certified products. They support Apple devices by using workarounds, it's not the same as being MFi certified.
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