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post #20131 of 20985
I just received my M100 Shadows like an hour ago. I am looking forward to getting home from work and trying. The whole reduced mids and bass heavy thing from the reviews concerns me, but I am curious and hope I will enjoy. I have had the at m50, PSB m4u 1, senn momentums but I presently only have the NAD hp50. I like rock, metal, jazz and blues mostly. I have a FiiO X3 as my main audio device and mostly FLAC files.
post #20132 of 20985

You will adore them if those are your genres. They are bass heavy in comparison to "reference" headphones, not in comparison to real basshead cans. I don't even like calling them "bass heavy" so much as "bass prominent". To be honest from listening to them I never consider them bassy, just that unlike a lot of so-called "audiophile" products the bass isn't buried or missing. 

post #20133 of 20985
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Originally Posted by chuckle490 View Post

Would you recommend the X5/M-100 combo? Miceblue really disliked the combo, but he is the only other person I've seen talk about the two.

Miceblue has been around Head Fi a lot longer than me and is well respected. I am fairly new to posting, but I've been in the audio appreciation camp for most of my life (before CD's were released rolleyes.gif).

Initially I hated the M-100 because it is so bass heavy, especially on the X3 as I had to use the Bass/Treble controls to help it out, but this wasn't enough to tweak the M-100 properly IMO so I put them away. No loss to me as I received the Vmoda's as a Christmas gift from the company I am currently working at.

Then I picked up an X5 and really enjoyed the LCD-2 ->X5 ->PanAm combo. The X5 has a talent for revealing detail while remaining quite musical and it's a great presentation to me, and way better than the X3 IMO. Just for fun I tried the EQ on the X5 with the M-100 and was blown away. I'm not a bass head, but I love it when the music calls for impactful bass and it's there. Drums and bass guitar in real life have an impact you can feel and with this combo I think it feels similar. The M-100 seems to have all the mid and high frequency details but they are drowned out with the bass so I reduced the bass to 'reveal' the other frequencies. Given the amount of bass on tap with this headphone I feel comfortable using the EQ to adjust the sound. After my LCD-2 I never thought another headphone (less expensive) could sound good to me, but this combo is great (with EQ) and I really, really like it. The low end is detailed and fast, not boomy or sluggish in the least.

Also, I use the X5 and M-100 with the e12 as it adds more spaciousness to the sound. One more thing, I tried beta FW 1.22 for the X5 last night and thought it sounded even better, more detailed. I may be satisfied with my headphones for a while (until I hear the LCD-XC).
Edited by x RELIC x - 4/11/14 at 10:38am
post #20134 of 20985
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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post

You will adore them if those are your genres. They are bass heavy in comparison to "reference" headphones, not in comparison to real basshead cans. I don't even like calling them "bass heavy" so much as "bass prominent". To be honest from listening to them I never consider them bassy, just that unlike a lot of so-called "audiophile" products the bass isn't buried or missing. 

Thanks for the vote of confidence.... Your post makes me feel better.
post #20135 of 20985
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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post
 

You will adore them if those are your genres. They are bass heavy in comparison to "reference" headphones, not in comparison to real basshead cans. I don't even like calling them "bass heavy" so much as "bass prominent". To be honest from listening to them I never consider them bassy, just that unlike a lot of so-called "audiophile" products the bass isn't buried or missing. 

 

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Originally Posted by subguy812 View Post


Thanks for the vote of confidence.... Your post makes me feel better.

i agree with someguydude

 

their really bassy compared to "reference gear" but comparing them to say the beats studios 2013 or even the ath m50s i find the bassy more appropriate then the aforementioned. its more balanced than those two. i actually found them very musical and fun sounding! caught myself humming along and bobbing my head, even on the subway, and bus ahah 

 

but their home environment is still when out and about i find, walking around (both medium to loud and  noisy streets), busing, (some subway/trains depending how loud) 

post #20136 of 20985
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Originally Posted by Tom22 View Post
 

 

i agree with someguydude

 

their really bassy compared to "reference gear" but comparing them to say the beats studios 2013 or even the ath m50s i find the bassy more appropriate then the aforementioned. its more balanced than those two. i actually found them very musical and fun sounding! caught myself humming along and bobbing my head, even on the subway, and bus ahah 

 

but their home environment is still when out and about i find, walking around (both medium to loud and  noisy streets), busing, (some subway/trains depending how loud) 


I found this to be the case as well. The heavier sub-bass is necessary IMO when there's a lot of lower frequencies produced by bus engines and microphonics.

post #20137 of 20985
I have began listening, I am sensing the solid bass, it provides for a full sound. I have a long night ahead of me. Some of the music I think will be boomy levels out and provides excellent sound. Most of my jazz sounds surprisingly good with the sub bass kicking in when it should. Interesting set of cans thus far.
Edited by subguy812 - 4/11/14 at 6:49pm
post #20138 of 20985

I've got the XL pads now -

 

Good - Comfortable - it's actually around the ear now

 

           - Soundstage is much wider - kicks are right in centre now as opposed to all enveloping.

 

Bad - Bass is a bit flabbier, less well defined

        -  Kicks are much less defined and crisp now, not distracting (I'm sure I'll get used to it) but I noticed it immediately.

post #20139 of 20985
^ I agree with your points, I also just received the xl pads and changed them over after listening to my headphones most of the day.
Greatly increased comfort
Greatly increased soundstage
Bass seems a bit less impactful but it's still there, it just seems more balanced with the mids and highs now.
post #20140 of 20985
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Originally Posted by subguy812 View Post

I have began listening, I am sensing the solid bass, it provides for a full sound. I have a long night ahead of me. Some of the music I think will be boomy levels out and provides excellent sound. Most of my jazz sounds surprisingly good with the sub bass kicking in when it should. Interesting set of cans thus far.

I'm interested in what you think of them over time. My musical tastes are similar and when I listened to the M-100's at a local Brookstone's I didn't care for them. Bass was too hot as were the treble with the mids too recessed. I almost wondered if they were damaged. The sounded like I was listening to live music in a club with a lot of "hash" in the sound when the drivers are being pushed into distortion.
post #20141 of 20985
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Originally Posted by brianbunge View Post


I'm interested in what you think of them over time. My musical tastes are similar and when I listened to the M-100's at a local Brookstone's I didn't care for them. Bass was too hot as were the treble with the mids too recessed. I almost wondered if they were damaged. The sounded like I was listening to live music in a club with a lot of "hash" in the sound when the drivers are being pushed into distortion.

 

LOL I had the same problem when I sampled a pair. If I'd been going solely off the Brookstone demo unit (in NJ, for the record) I would have just moved on. But I knew they had a helluva reputation so I decided to take a gamble. Well worth it. 

post #20142 of 20985
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Originally Posted by brianbunge View Post

I'm interested in what you think of them over time. My musical tastes are similar and when I listened to the M-100's at a local Brookstone's I didn't care for them. Bass was too hot as were the treble with the mids too recessed. I almost wondered if they were damaged. The sounded like I was listening to live music in a club with a lot of "hash" in the sound when the drivers are being pushed into distortion.
Did you listen to them through the Brookstone listening station, or directly from your own source? A couple others have reported that the M-100 sounds bad when filtered through the display's input. If you can, try to plug the M-100 directly into your source.
post #20143 of 20985
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Originally Posted by SpiderNhan View Post

Did you listen to them through the Brookstone listening station, or directly from your own source? A couple others have reported that the M-100 sounds bad when filtered through the display's input. If you can, try to plug the M-100 directly into your source.

Both. Through the listening station they were awful and I told the salesman so. They sounded like they'd be totally trashed. He grabbed a Beats cable and let me connect to my phone directly. They were much, much better but still sounded a little distorted in the treble. Having built my own speakers for years with high quality drivers, I don't like the sound of drivers pushed beyond their limits and that's how the M-100's sounded to me. If the bass was cut by ~ 3dB and the treble by a dB or two I think they'd sound much more even to me. The bass was solid, but too hot and the treble just totally unnatural and distorted. That's what makes me wonder if I'd like the XS's better. In the meantime, I picked up two pairs of Martin Logan Mikros 90's for $60 each. Damn good sound at 80% off retail. Not perfect by any means, but tweakable.
post #20144 of 20985
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Originally Posted by brianbunge View Post


I'm interested in what you think of them over time. My musical tastes are similar and when I listened to the M-100's at a local Brookstone's I didn't care for them. Bass was too hot as were the treble with the mids too recessed. I almost wondered if they were damaged. The sounded like I was listening to live music in a club with a lot of "hash" in the sound when the drivers are being pushed into distortion.


Brian,

 

I have had the M100 for like 2 days , but I will be happy to express my feelings about them to this point. Please look at my profile so you can see the different headphones I am accustomed too.

I have tried my Clip + and FiiO X3 as my audio source and mostly FLAC and 320kb files. I am using high gain and 0 tweaks in bass or treble.

 

Accessories: Great case(small, uses space wisely) durable, if you like kevlar cables then you will be happy

 

Build: Awesome build quality, designed well, feels heavy duty

 

Comfort: A little pressure, and one of my ears is a little sore but the same thing happened with the Momentums, no headband pressure, slight clamping

 

Sound: This is tough...yes bass, yes treble, mids distant(not covered by excessive bass, just recessed). I want to say if I miss something it is a bit of detail. There is some detail lacking compared to say my HP50. I write this knowing what these headphones are, more fun than precise. Sometimes I lose detailed parts and other times they are detailed. I have found that with very detailed music such as Dream Theater the sound appears all mixed together, not so defined, I think others confuse this to say muddy, but I don't think that would be correct. On the other end of the scale when listening to Talking Heads Burning Down the House and there are a couple of instruments, such as in the middle of the song when the drums solo, the drums and bass sound awesome, the keyboard a bit distant. YYz by Rush sounds incredible, but with a little more mid even better. Smells Like Teen Spirit has never sounded so powerful. Nirvana, In Bloom, sounds messy when all instruments are cranking but when it is the bass, drums and vocal part only, awesome. With jazz, it is also a mixed bag. I feel the M100 possibly excel a different genres but too me it is not so much genre specific as it is song specific. Some songs I hear and I am wow'ed other songs when the music is involved it is blended and more difficult to single out specific instruments. When it is the right song the instrument separation is just great. They are strong and powerful headphones.

 

I am hesitant to say anymore because I think I need more time. But here you go!


Edited by subguy812 - 4/13/14 at 9:33am
post #20145 of 20985
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Originally Posted by subguy812 View Post


Brian,

I have had the M100 for like 2 days , but I will be happy to express my feelings about them to this point. Please look at my profile so you can see the different headphones I am accustomed too.
I have tried my Clip + and FiiO X3 as my audio source and mostly FLAC and 320kb files. I am using high gain and 0 tweaks in bass or treble.

Accessories: Great case(small, uses space wisely) durable, if you like kevlar cables then you will be happy

Build: Awesome build quality, designed well, feels heavy duty

Comfort: A little pressure, and one of my ears is a little sore but the same thing happened with the Momentums, no headband pressure, slight clamping

Sound: This is tough...yes bass, yes treble, mids distant(not covered by excessive bass, just recessed). I want to say if I miss something it is a bit of detail. There is some detail lacking compared to say my HP50. I write this knowing what these headphones are, more fun than precise. Sometimes I lose detailed parts and other times they are detailed. I have found that with very detailed music such as Dream Theater the sound appears all mixed together, not so defined, I think others confuse this to say muddy, but I don't think that would be correct. On the other end of the scale when listening to Talking Heads Burning Down the House and there are a couple of instruments, such as in the middle of the song when the drums solo, the drums and bass sound awesome, the keyboard a bit distant. YYz by Rush sounds incredible, but with a little more mid even better. Smells Like Teen Spirit has never sounded so powerful. Nirvana, In Bloom, sounds messy when all instruments are cranking but when it is the bass, drums and vocal part only, awesome. With jazz, it is also a mixed bag. I feel the M100 possibly excel a different genres but too me it is not so much genre specific as it is song specific. Some songs I hear and I am wow'ed other songs when the music is involved it is blended and more difficult to single out specific instruments. When it is the right song the instrument separation is just great. They are strong and powerful headphones.

I am hesitant to say anymore because I think I need more time. But here you go!

Well, as much as i like my m100s very much, and they are very nice with dx50,

I agree to some point about complex songs with lots of instruments that may sound all mixed up,

At the same time when i tried amping it through O2 it widend the soundstage and added better instrument seperation which solved this issue for me.

Iam not advising to buy an amp, iam just asking if you have an amp with good details and soundstage, to try and see if it gets better or what ??!

But anyway i dont use the amp as i like being more portable, and i like how it sounds overall so not a big problem for me, but try it out !!
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