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post #19066 of 20967
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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post

LOL whoops, my bad.

And you know, you bring up a good point. I think the reason I love the M100 so much is that it's the only one I've found that is sort of in the middle of various sound styles. It's a headphone that truly sounds like it was made through the input from hundreds of people. The bass isn't huge and thumpy like you'd find in Beats-style cans, but it's significantly more present than in true "audiophile" products. It's not as even, clear, and separated as audiophile cans, but far more than you'd get out of those head-thumpers.

So what you have is a can that is just a swiss army knife. You can throw rap at it, you can throw orchestral, heavy metal, electronic, pop, whatever. There's no music that will really leave anyone disappointed in its output, it'll sound fantastic with everything.

^this^
post #19067 of 20967

not sure if i posted previous or this has been answered already

 

but i think the m100s would sound good on the go but the bass seems like it would be overwhelming for home use

 

anyone use bass reducer on itunes, and does this fix the "whopping bass". i need some of those mids to shine through! i only use itunes for my media player at home.

 

i like slightly elevated bass at least for home use and i mean slightly.

 

it seems the general consensus is that the sound signature is more for modern studio recordings

 

i listen to mostly pop (jpop, kpop, american pop) you name it so soundstage placement is not the number 1 priority but i'm not a fan of compressed sound stages

 

just looking at the graph (not the best way to judge a headphone, graph is just a graph afterall) on innerfidelity it seems the treble rolls off pretty quickly after that spike. 

 

i hesitate to by bassy cans because i'm not a basshead but for the average joe ( well i wouldn't say i'm average, my ears a little more attuned, then the average consumer that just wants bass)

 

basically i'm looking at slightly to warmer than neutral headphone. (i haven't strayed too at all far into head rattling bass)

 

i'm not sure if the m100 is for but any ideas? i keep checking back on this thread, i absolutely love the design, portability, the accessories and the pearl white. been googling how they look on people that last 15 minutes to make sure they don't look like melons on my head or hitting my chin when its around my neck

 

itd be my first$150+ spent and my 2nd over ear headphone (monoprice 8323 my first)

post #19068 of 20967
I personally don't think the bass is over the top at all and I'm not a bass-head either. It's certainly present and can pay quite a punch if required but it's not dominant. The treble is rolled of slightly but again, this can be tweaked.

I can't comment on your iTunes query as, although I do use a Mac at home I never use iTunes for music. I hate iTunes.

The cans work great outside. They are relatively discrete looking and have a low-profile look. Clamping force is described by some as extreme but I wouldn't go that far. I would say they clamp just enough to feel secure. People with big ears do report problems with the ear-cups though, which is why V-Moda sell additional XL ear-cup cushions through their website. I'm fine with the stock cushions but YMMV.

Good luck.
post #19069 of 20967
The most important thing to do before forking over any money for any headphones is to try them out. Give them an audition. Bring some music that you know on a player that you know, sit down with what you're trying out, and spend some quiet time just listening. If that's not an option for M-100 then audition the ATH-M50 lineup. M50 won't sound the same, of course, but it will give you a feel for the general sound shape and the line is easy to find. If you like ATH-M50 then you might like M-100. If you don't like M50 then you probably won't like M-100 either.

Gradual roll off above about 1 kHz is normal in good headphones. The roll off is there to compensate for the lack of attenuation over distance we hear from loudspeakers and natural sources. That's why for "neutral" instead of "flat" when describing headphone frequency response. Genuinely flat headphones would have painfully piercing treble.
post #19070 of 20967
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Originally Posted by ratinox View Post

The most important thing to do before forking over any money for any headphones is to try them out. Give them an audition. Bring some music that you know on a player that you know, sit down with what you're trying out, and spend some quiet time just listening. If that's not an option for M-100 then audition the ATH-M50 lineup. M50 won't sound the same, of course, but it will give you a feel for the general sound shape and the line is easy to find. If you like ATH-M50 then you might like M-100. If you don't like M50 then you probably won't like M-100 either.

Gradual roll off above about 1 kHz is normal in good headphones. The roll off is there to compensate for the lack of attenuation over distance we hear from loudspeakers and natural sources. That's why for "neutral" instead of "flat" when describing headphone frequency response. Genuinely flat headphones would have painfully piercing treble.

 

id love to but up here in toronto canada theres not a single place with vmoda headphones to buy, let alone audition

 

so unfortunately its gotta be a 1 shot purchase. even the 60 day money back guarantee is counter productive, cause the shipping back and forth could almost pay for an entry headphone (about 60 bucks) not including import taxes if applied

 

but i can try the m50s thanks for the tip!

post #19071 of 20967

I think if you're not a bass fan and are in the $300 range, but you are not a complete audiophile, I would recommend looking at the Sennheiser Momentums. The bass is pretty light and have more prominent mids and highs than the M-100s. However, if you do like bass you can feel then you should probably go with the M-100s.

post #19072 of 20967
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Originally Posted by AllahLover69 View Post
 

I think if you're not a bass fan and are in the $300 range, but you are not a complete audiophile, I would recommend looking at the Sennheiser Momentums. The bass is pretty light and have more prominent mids and highs than the M-100s. However, if you do like bass you can feel then you should probably go with the M-100s.

 

Sounds like solid advice to me. The only thing I'd point out is that the main reason the mids and highs are more prominent is that the bass is lighter. I mean, by the curve the Momentums are only really ahead slightly in the mids:

 

 

But that SEVERELY reduced bass output will make the mids/highs sound much, much more apparent. 

post #19073 of 20967
Not necessarily. Sound output is also a function of the drivers themselves. Even if you have a high-pass filter applied to the M-100, the midrange doesn't necessarily become different or more pronounced. The mids still sound laid-back to me with a high-pass filter, for example.
post #19074 of 20967
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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post

Not necessarily. Sound output is also a function of the drivers themselves. Even if you have a high-pass filter applied to the M-100, the midrange doesn't necessarily become different or more pronounced. The mids still sound laid-back to me with a high-pass filter, for example.
 

 

If you pull the bass out of the sound, the mids and highs are going to sound more pronounced just because the air isn't vibrating with as much bass frequency. It's like pulling the blue out of your TV, it's gonna make the reds and greens more pronounced. Take a headphone with the same sound sig as the M100's and EQ the bass away, then have someone listen to it without A/B'ing it from the originals and they'll say the mids and highs are more prominent.

 

In fact, it's a big reason why people often believe the M100s aren't as bass heavy as they actually are: they're used to bass-heavy headphones blowing out the mids and highs, so on a pair where the mids and highs still come through clearly there's a psychological effect where the brain goes "wait I can still hear everything else, the bass must not be very strong" because they're used to hearing the bass OVER TOP of the other frequencies, not WITH them. 


Edited by SomeGuyDude - 3/8/14 at 10:31pm
post #19075 of 20967
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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post
 

I'm noticing a distinct lack of M100 in that post.

 

+1

post #19076 of 20967
Could it be the case that if any given headphone has too much of one particular frequency range that it's preferable to EQ that frequency range out rather than take another headphone which has too little of a particular frequency range and attempting to EQ that range in? If you follow me.

It's kinda the opposite of what is the case in digital landscape photography where it's preferable to under-expose the foreground so as to retain detail in the skies and then in pp bring the detail back in to the foreground. If you were to initially expose for the correct foreground detail you'll most likely blow out the skies and no amount of pp can put something back that wasn't there in the first place.

I'm a photographer but I'm not sure I'm explaining that well. Makes sense to me.
post #19077 of 20967
@ Ratinox

Thanks for that definition of neutral and flat. I have previously viewed both terms interchangeably. I was wrong. Kudos brother.
post #19078 of 20967
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Originally Posted by Zorrofox View Post

Could it be the case that if any given headphone has too much of one particular frequency range that it's preferable to EQ that frequency range out rather than take another headphone which has too little of a particular frequency range and attempting to EQ that range in? If you follow me.

It's kinda the opposite of what is the case in digital landscape photography where it's preferable to under-expose the foreground so as to retain detail in the skies and then in pp bring the detail back in to the foreground. If you were to initially expose for the correct foreground detail you'll most likely blow out the skies and no amount of pp can put something back that wasn't there in the first place.

I'm a photographer but I'm not sure I'm explaining that well. Makes sense to me.

 

Wweeeeellll yes and no. In audio production the rule of thumb is to EQ downward rather than boost upward. It keeps the signal clean. However, when it comes to amping and EQ'ing headphones, none of us are (in theory) reaching the limits of our equipment to the point that anything should be clipping or distorting, so EQ boosting a lacking frequency range probably shouldn't be a problem. I think, anyway, someone feel free to chime in.

 

NOW, if you mean that if I have a given sound I like and my choices are headphone A where I need to EQ one portion of the range up and headphone B where I need to EQ a portion down? Yes, I would agree that B is the better choice, just off my instincts. I'd say it's better to take, for example, a bassy headphone and pull down the bass than a flatter headphone and boost up the treble. 

post #19079 of 20967
Yes, your second paragraph is my point. But there's also the mechanical element too. For instance bass drivers aren't big because they look cool, bur rather because they need to push a lot of air to produce the low frequency. So... all else being equal, if headphone 'A' has a 40mm driver and headphone 'B' has a 50mm driver then headphone 'B' is the better bass candidate. I know, simplistic. I also know that V-Moda uses some kind of special dual-layer driver. I'm not even gonna go there 😃
post #19080 of 20967
You guys literally saved me $120! I'm an audiotechnica fan and I pulled the trigger on the ath m50. The seller was nice enough to let me cancel the order after I read the m100 is a more refined m50 biggrin.gif
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