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Originally Posted by chuckle490 View Post

I shall order that cable then. One last question though, what length did you guys get? 1.5m seems to be the only length I can find.


If you find a place to order can you post it?

Nuforce's estore is listing all colors and lengths as unavailable.

None of their authorized dealers have them either...

post #18497 of 22931
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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post

It doesn't have to be placebo, I've felt a change when swapping cables too on my Q40.

A different wire will make a difference but it isn't the difference you think you're hearing. Here's a riddle: what happens when you increase the impedance on the headphones? Answer: you reduce the volume since it requires more power to drive a given SPL. Here's another riddle: what happens when you slightly decrease the impedance? Answer: you slightly increase the volume since it requires less power to drive a given SPL. To complicate this a bit, human ears are less sensitive in the midrange than to lows and highs. So, what you get is music that you perceive as "warmer" and "brighter" even though all that's really changed is the volume level. It's a trick that slimy speaker salesmen have used for decades.
This might be an interesting review to read:
http://www.head-fi.org/products/fiio-rc-mh1-headphone-upgrade-cable/reviews/10425)
post #18498 of 22931
What jazz man said. The length is perfect.
post #18499 of 22931
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Originally Posted by epithetless View Post
 

 

While you're waiting, you can always peep DrSheep's older pic here.

Thanks, but that's really not a very good pic.  Maybe I will take a better pic for it...

 

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Originally Posted by NiteWalker View Post
 


If you find a place to order can you post it?

Nuforce's estore is listing all colors and lengths as unavailable.

None of their authorized dealers have them either...

I think NuForce discontinued the cable, so you guys better grab one while Amazon or other sites still has it.

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I am also interested in ordering one of these; Amazon doesn't seem to have the model with the 1/8" jack on both ends.  Does anyone know where these might be in stock?

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Originally Posted by Red Jacket Mike View Post
 

I am also interested in ordering one of these; Amazon doesn't seem to have the model with the 1/8" jack on both ends.  Does anyone know where these might be in stock?

http://www.thecableco.com/Product/Transient--3-5mm-3-5mm- , for US...

http://www.analogueseduction.net/category-721/NFTC.html , for UK.

http://www.sound-and-style.com/product_info.php?products_id=41, for EU.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/NuForce-NF-Trans-PP-MM-1-5-Transient-Stereo/dp/B003WRANN2 from Amazon UK.

http://www.cyjpaudio.com/main/en/nuforce/detail/36-nuforce-cables/flypage%7Cask/162-transient-pp-mm-15m.html?sef=hcfp from Hong Kong.


Edited by DrSheep - 2/14/14 at 5:05am
post #18502 of 22931
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Originally Posted by chuckle490 View Post

Hey zorrofox when can we expect to see a picture of the M-100 with the nuforce cable? smily_headphones1.gif

Sorry mate, i cant actually stand up right now since my back injury a couple of weeks ago. I've just got new meds today so if they help with the pain I'll do my best to get pics up.
Edited by Solrighal - 2/14/14 at 10:41am
post #18503 of 22931
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Originally Posted by Zorrofox View Post

Sorry mate, i cant actually stand up right now since my back injury a couple of weeks ago. I've just got new men's today so if they hell with the pain I'll do my best to get pics up.
Take your time, no need to risk hurting yourself over taking a picture. smily_headphones1.gif
post #18504 of 22931
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Originally Posted by Zorrofox View Post

Actually, I'm not so sure I do understand what you're saying. Why are ears less sensitive in the mid-range?

That's just how human hearing works. It's difficult to objectively identify a 1/4 dB volume change but our ears can still sense the difference, and they are more sensitive to low-range and high-range changes than mid-range changes. Our brains then fill in something that makes sense of the difference so that we don't go crazy. The result: warmer, brighter sounds coming from a premium cable due to a subconsciously perceived elevation of bass and treble.

Is it a trick? When it's used to convince you to pay ten to fifty times more than the length of wire is worth when you can get the exact same effect by increasing the bass and treble by a few tenths of a dB? It's a trick, an especially slimy one at that in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post

This might be an interesting review to read:
http://www.head-fi.org/products/fiio-rc-mh1-headphone-upgrade-cable/reviews/10425)

I did read that a few weeks ago. As you discovered, changing the impedance changes the SPL for a given volume setting. This is why proper A/B trials normalize SPL prior to testing. Slight differences can skew a trial.
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Originally Posted by Zorrofox View Post

Sorry mate, i cant actually stand up right now since my back injury a couple of weeks ago. I've just got new men's today so if they hell with the pain I'll do my best to get pics up.

Good look and take care of your back.I know that's a serious injury.
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I'm sorry about the quality of these images but they'll do the job. It looks much better in the flesh...

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The phone is a Samsung Galaxy Note 3 and it's equipped with a Sir Lancelot Holy Grail tempered glass screen protector all wrapped up in an Otterbox a commuter case in black (obviously). I love it. If I could find a slimline DAC/amp at a reasonable price to go with it I'd be content.
Edited by Solrighal - 2/14/14 at 1:52pm
post #18507 of 22931
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Originally Posted by ratinox View Post

That's just how human hearing works. It's difficult to objectively identify a 1/4 dB volume change but our ears can still sense the difference, and they are more sensitive to low-range and high-range changes than mid-range changes. Our brains then fill in something that makes sense of the difference so that we don't go crazy. The result: warmer, brighter sounds coming from a premium cable due to a subconsciously perceived elevation of bass and treble.

Is it a trick? When it's used to convince you to pay ten to fifty times more than the length of wire is worth when you can get the exact same effect by increasing the bass and treble by a few tenths of a dB? It's a trick, an especially slimy one at that in my opinion.
I did read that a few weeks ago. As you discovered, changing the impedance changes the SPL for a given volume setting. This is why proper A/B trials normalize SPL prior to testing. Slight differences can skew a trial.

I'm no audiologist but I would have expected human hearing to be more sensitive in the mid as this the frequency range used in speech. Going back to the cavemen kinda thing. I'll take your word for it though as you've definitely given it more thought that me.

As for the trick, yeah I hear ya brother. Many, many years ago I worked as a salesman for a reputable hi-fi dealer here in Scotland and it's amazing what folk will believe. Remember the green felt pen around the perimeter edge of CD's? And it HAD to be Green! Blue just couldn't work. Those were the days.
post #18508 of 22931
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Originally Posted by Zorrofox View Post

I'm no audiologist but I would have expected human hearing to be more sensitive in the mid as this the frequency range used in speech. Going back to the cavemen kinda thing. I'll take your word for it though as you've definitely given it more thought that me.

 

Note that ratinox is talking about the ear being more sensitive to volume changes in the highs and lows relative to the mids; he's not saying the ear is less sensitive to detail in the mids, or less capable of hearing mid-spectrum sound.

post #18509 of 22931
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Originally Posted by Zorrofox View Post

I'm no audiologist but I would have expected human hearing to be more sensitive in the mid as this the frequency range used in speech. Going back to the cavemen kinda thing. I'll take your word for it though as you've definitely given it more thought that me.

Comprehension is less important to survival than noticing things like the growls and calls of predatory animals and the vocal quirks of outsiders come to steal our food and our fire. On the latter, James May did a nice presentation on why we have accents for Headsqueeze on Youtube.

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As for the trick, yeah I hear ya brother. Many, many years ago I worked as a salesman for a reputable hi-fi dealer here in Scotland and it's amazing what folk will believe. Remember the green felt pen around the perimeter edge of CD's? And it HAD to be Green! Blue just couldn't work. Those were the days.

I remember that. People are gullible.


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Originally Posted by epithetless View Post

Note that ratinox is talking about the ear being more sensitive to volume changes in the highs and lows relative to the mids; he's not saying the ear is less sensitive to detail in the mids, or less capable of hearing mid-spectrum sound.

Correct. It's sensitivity to the changes, not to the details. My apologies for any confusion.
Edited by ratinox - 2/14/14 at 11:57am
post #18510 of 22931
Ok, that makes more sense. I have a financial limit whereby if it's below a certain cost and I believe it makes a difference then yes, it makes a difference. Once costs start to get higher then I need more actual proof. It's a benefit of being fundamentally poor I guess 😌.
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