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Originally Posted by zeppu08 View Post


Hi anakchan! I know you've been a part of the fiio X5 tour right? How was the m100 goes with the X5? Will the X5 stand alone and boost the best out of the m100 or any suggestion like add an amp? Planning to get an X5 and marry it to my m100s but I want the best out of it.. Hope you can give me feedback and suggestions.. Thanks!

+1

 

I'm also interested in how the M-100 sounds with the X5! So far everyone's feedback has been very positive so that has me considering it for my next DAP purchase .

post #18257 of 21054
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Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post
 

 

So your time limit is up ;-). What's this full update eh :L3000:??

Personally for me I plug left but I'm also a leftie (i.e. microphone cables, etc.).

 

I need more time... 

 

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So your time limit is up ;-). What's this full update eh :L3000:??

Personally for me I plug left but I'm also a leftie (i.e. microphone cables, etc.).

 

Ok, let me have a few more days to perfect the post on what I am up to.

 

I think M-100 is perfect as is (it won 14 editors' choice awards, voted #1 by DJ mag by 70% vote and is #1 rated on Amazon), so I am releasing only other products that complement the line. .

 

But we are in no rush and have no retail deadlines, so we only release the products when "we will use it ourselves", including the Head-Fi community.

 

MOST HEADPHONE BRANDS ARE FUGAZI, THE DRIVERS ARE TOO SMALL AND DIFFICULT TO QC

PS - I reworked the sound drivers 3 times on XS to get them perfect as we changed the process to get them to <1dB variance!  M-80 was ~2dB checked at 6 points which is unheard of in the industry.  But, my goal is to make the most consistent driver in the planet like fine wine.  What a difference a drop of glue/solder makes on the sound. Can you imagine in-ear issues? You wouldnt believe it unless you have the data from our labs that I have compiled over 10 years and testing over 10000 headphones.  

 

IN V-MODA VERITAS QC

No other brand cares about variance but I OBSESS about it.  How can we talk about the SQ of a headphone if each unit sounds 3-12dB different throughout the curve from unit to unit?  I dont hear what you hear - before the fit. Also, our ears/ergonomics are essential as the FR machines do not know a real ear (concha/fit/etc) - we simply are not hearing the same thing. 

 

I COULD NEVER MASTER/MIX a track if I knew each headphone sounded different, even the same brand. So I we took 8 units of all competitors and sometimes >$300 headphones vary up to 15dB at 3-4 FR points! The mass produced competition are even 5-20dB from left to right along the curves. Cheap in-ears can cause hearing loss in seconds and vary up to 30dB even at 4khz and 10khz where we lose hearing fasted.

 

Most cheap "counter" brands <$20 have the wildest and INSTANTLY causes hearing loss. 15dB spikes at 4khz and 10??? Instant loss in minutes. Actually, there should be a class action lawsuit as it caused teens to have 20%+ hearing loss already lately. Imagine when they are 50?

 

FR and Xhz-XXkHZ is FUGAZI

FR curves of ONE UNIT mean nothing when they have such wild variance from unit to unit and factories. And psychoacoustics/true fits aren't measured like our R&D labs at V-MODA. 

 

Imagine a cigarette pack where one unit instantly gives u cancer and the rest are okay "high definition".  That is like most "marketing" headphone brands in the world that say the same words for marketing that could be the same as a car ad.  They do not know the nuances of sound, I've been studying this for 10 years in headphones, 20 years in car audio and have many patents on how to make consistent sound - even using new methods.

 

My variance OCD is your greatest gift... ONE bad unit by a customer ruins  my whole day, so it is not an option!  If we caused hearing loss, how can we sell high end headphones?

 

 

VARIANCE IN UNITS AND EVEN THE L/R CHANNEL

FR curves are ********, the 5-30 or 20-22 mean NOTHING.  It is like saying a sculpture is the same height so it has the same curves.  It isn't the range, it is what is in between and the ERGONOMICS that count.

 

Let me show you something, the green/yellow lines are the left/right channels of ONE headphone of a VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY POPULAR $200 on-ear headphone vs M-80...

 

GREEN/YELLOW = Left Right channel of one unit of a $200+ VERY HIGH SELLING COMPETITOR - one of the many "round circle plastic brands", guess who... imagine 8 units variance

 

RED/WHITE = M-80 LEFT/RIGHT CHANNELS...

 

Keep in mind the fit DOES alter the sound so FR curves are only useful for tracking and QC from unit to unit. FR range means nothing.  However, XS will have even stricter QC levels.

 

 

 

 

IN V-MODA VERITAS THEORY

HAVING SAID THAT, we discovered psychoacoustics unmeasurable by machines.  So initiated a program that I listen to EVERY batch of headphones.

 

Every V-MODA headphone production line will be signed off by me, like fine wine seasons may vary but at the end of the day it must uphold my standards.

 

And last of all as a selfish reason, I want to be able to grab any V-MODA and master/produce a track and know I hear what was meant to be heard.

 

-V


Edited by valkolton - 1/26/14 at 6:46pm
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post #18258 of 21054

Hey guys, I am looking for over-ears for EDM and Dubstep and I do believe I am a basshead. I have been snooping around and thought these were awesome for my $500 budget. Am I right when I think that these will better suit my tastes than the Momentums, H6, Pro 900s? Or am i wrong? Also how does the P7 from B &W stack up? Thanks a lot.

post #18259 of 21054
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Hey guys, I am looking for over-ears for EDM and Dubstep and I do believe I am a basshead. I have been snooping around and thought these were awesome for my $500 budget. Am I right when I think that these will better suit my tastes than the Momentums, H6, Pro 900s? Or am i wrong? Also how does the P7 from B &W stack up? Thanks a lot.

Order them now. You won't be disappointed, based on what you've said. Very cool, fun set of phones. I've listened to the majority of the phones you've listed and this one will suit you the best, IMO. 

post #18260 of 21054
So does that mean I can return mine? I know I'm an odd man out, most people love them, and don't get me wrong they sound great but just aren't very comfy for me. I even purchased the XL cushions and still just don't find them comfortable. Plus I decided I don't think I can afford to spend $300 on headphones, let alone $335 after the cushions.
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Ah it seems like my brain has been tellibg me the right thing. Are these comfy for longterm?
post #18262 of 21054
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Ah it seems like my brain has been tellibg me the right thing. Are these comfy for longterm?

As far as comfort, these seem alright unless your head is larger. The clamping tension is there and will make it's presence known, though I've worn these for several hours at a time and haven't noticed discomfort. I also own several of the Beyerdynamic DT series, and while their comfort level remains the best I've tried, these M100's aren't bad at all. There is also an option for the XL ear pad option from V-Moda. With the stock pads, I haven't noticed any intense pressure points, ...etc. 

post #18263 of 21054
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Originally Posted by yjkimnada View Post
 

Hey guys, I am looking for over-ears for EDM and Dubstep and I do believe I am a basshead. I have been snooping around and thought these were awesome for my $500 budget. Am I right when I think that these will better suit my tastes than the Momentums, H6, Pro 900s? Or am i wrong? Also how does the P7 from B &W stack up? Thanks a lot.


H6 has no bass. You can cross that off your list right now.

 

While we're on the subject of the H6, I've been looking for a replacement microphone cable for my M-100 since my stock Speakeasy cable is completely frayed at this point and looks it just spent the past 3 days making love to a rabid honey badger. I know a lot of people have been using the NuForce Transient Cable and others have tried the FiiO RC-MH1, but I need a microphone and a play button since I use my M-100 almost exclusively with my phone.

 

The microphone cable that comes with the B&O H6 fits the M-100 perfectly and even comes in the two colors that best match it; black and gray. For iDevice users, the cable also has the volume + and - buttons for added functionality. You won't find them for sale on Bang & Olufsen's website, but if you have a B&O store nearby you can pick one up for $36. As a cheaper alternative, the Beats by Dre audio cable also fits the M-100 and can be had for $30 while cheaper off-brands can get as low as $10.

 

And I use my cable on the left side most of the time, and on the right side when I'm using my desktop because my FiiO E17/E9 combo sits to the right of my rig.

 

**Update**

I tried the B&O cable with my Android phone and the play control and microphone DOES NOT work with non-Apple devices. I finally succumbed to get getting an Orange Speakeasy cable.

 

I found that these cables from RadioShack fit the M-100 just fine.


Edited by SpiderNhan - 1/28/14 at 7:46am
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Nhan, have you thought to try different color vmoda cables?

I have the black one button speakeasy and there's no fraying, but I have only had it for a couple of months now.

If mine does start fraying, I plan on trying something to keep the fibers in place; something like a coating over the cable. Maybe hairspray?

post #18265 of 21054
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Originally Posted by yjkimnada View Post

Hey guys, I am looking for over-ears for EDM and Dubstep and I do believe I am a basshead. I have been snooping around and thought these were awesome for my $500 budget. Am I right when I think that these will better suit my tastes than the Momentums, H6, Pro 900s? Or am i wrong? Also how does the P7 from B &W stack up? Thanks a lot.

I have the B&W P7s, I really like them for Trance. They have a really high quality leather/metal construction too, which is great.

However, while the bass/mids balance is perfect for other EDM like Trance and House, I don't think they have the subwoofer bass you'd want for dub step (where mids are less important)

I'd say try the M100s, from what I've read, they seem perfect for dubstep. (I've yet to try the M100s though, not sure where I could demo them here in Aus)
If you want to try the P7s, you could try them from an Apple store OR buy them, and return them hassle free within 2 weeks if you don't like them.

EDIT: I would also wait for the Sennheiser HD8 DJ to hit the market, apparently it should be quite a good match for the M100. I was going to buy a pair to use as DJ headphone, but Jude apparently is planning a feature on the new Sennheisers....
Edited by KD1011 - 1/27/14 at 4:32am
post #18266 of 21054
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Originally Posted by yjkimnada View Post

Hey guys, I am looking for over-ears for EDM and Dubstep and I do believe I am a basshead. I have been snooping around and thought these were awesome for my $500 budget. Am I right when I think that these will better suit my tastes than the Momentums, H6, Pro 900s? Or am i wrong? Also how does the P7 from B &W stack up? Thanks a lot.

For your music likes, the Pro900 I think is the better choice. Better comfort and best bass anywhere. And tho my sig doesn't show a M100 now, I've had two.
post #18267 of 21054
I heard that the pro900 siffers from many problems in the mids and highs. Also which is better driven portable unamped
post #18268 of 21054

Don't know about the Pro900, but I would not trust anything with S-Logic.

 

http://rinchoi.blogspot.com/2013/08/ultrasone-hfi-780-and-s-logic.html

post #18269 of 21054
Yeah ive heard some bad things about the pro 900's mids and highs. Which is why i think the m100 is a better basshead instrument. How is the m100 unamped?
post #18270 of 21054
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Yeah ive heard some bad things about the pro 900's mids and highs. Which is why i think the m100 is a better basshead instrument. How is the m100 unamped?

It's fine as it is pretty easy to drive.

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