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Originally Posted by Nirvana1000 View Post


Which other model do they/you have?The only DAC i see on their website is the Dragonfly.

It is a newer revision of the DragonFly.  Creatively named the DragonFly v1.2.  

post #17837 of 22821
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Originally Posted by money4me247 View Post
 

lol... the M100s are basically dubstep headphones yo.

 

yea, it takes a while to get used to that v-moda v-shaped signature and dat thumping bass boost. if you don't really listen to genres that take advantage of that amazinggg bass, these might not the right headphones for you. however, i think you should at least try em out daily for 1-2 weeks b/c it really takes a bit of time for your brain to adjust to a new sound signature. in terms of durability/portability, no other headphones can come close w/ the great tank-like build quality and tiny folding size.

 

For your genres of rock/metal and portability, I would highly suggest the Sony MDR-1R or the Sennheiser Momentum Overear. The MDR-1R are slightly colored; from what I remember they hadda really warm, rich sound w/ really lush mids & full bass, which would really spice up the meaty guitary parts of your songs. The Momentum seemed very flat/neutral & technical to me; they hit very sharply & clearly. Both headphones sound great for most everything... just a matter of preference.

 

For portability, the MDR-1R are definitely hands-down the most comfortable headphones I have ever tried (like you're wearing a warm poofy cloud of music) and the earcups swivel so you can wear em around your neck very comfortably w/o the edges of earcups rubbing up against your neck/collarbone (...I'm sure you all experienced this, but the M100 seem to have a metal edge that hits my collarbone when i wear em around my neck & they clamp liike a noose around my neck... super uncomfortable to wear around your neck). Downside is that the MDR-1R comes w/ a soft case, but you can easily find a random headphone hard case for em. The Momentum doesn't fold at all, but it comes w/ a hard case. The amazingly thing about the Momentums is how light they are. Like seriously weightless compared to the M100s. I found that the over-ear momentums were actually more like on-ears for me and I experienced some slight discomfort after long listening sessions, but that shouldn't be a problem on-the-go. The MDR-1R can be found much cheaper than the Momentums nowadays. I've seen the MDR-1Rs under $200 on sale & I believe the Momentums went down to $300 or less during black friday.

 

I had the MDR-1R, Momentums, and M100 plus a few headphones for a few weeks at the same time, so I was able to do a lot of comparing. I really loved the AKG K550's sound, but that's seriously too big to be truly portable.

 

If price isn't an issue, you have TONS of amazing choices. Even more if you aren't specifically looking for an over-ear pair. The V-Moda M80 is supposed to be a really balanced on-ear pair of headphones, and B&W have a bunch of pricey on-ears (P5/P7) that are pretty light/portable (only demoed for a few songs, so I can't really say much about the sound). On the cheap, logitech's UE over-ears series got seriously discounted recently (and they fold up!). If money really ain't a thang (like $1000+ is chill), some really high-end, closed noise-isolated, portable headphones I heard good things about are the Ultrasone Signature Pro series and the Beyerdynamic T5p.

 

Hope my recs are slightly helpful & you find your perfect pair of portable headphones!!! Give the M100s while tho, you might actually warm up to em. :regular_smile :

 

PS: For the M100s, there is NO discernible sound difference after burn-in. I actually had two M100s at the same time: "burned-in" one for a few days & left the other one untouched. Then, I did a blind test to see if I could accurately pick out which was which. Needless to say, I could not hear any difference. HOWEVER, it really does take some time for you to adjust to a new sound signature. Your brain is comfortable & happy w/ what is familiar, so when you switch to something new, it takes a while for your brain to adjust. Good luck!!

Thanks so much for your detailed response! 

I will definitely give these a try for a few weeks. I'm going to head to B&H and try a few others out. 

Well, as far as money not being a thing I think under $500 is ideal. 

Will the XL pads change the sound at all, or just comfort?

 

as for the M-80, I couldn't get them to fit on my ears, even with them fully extended, my head isn't even that big/tall. 

post #17838 of 22821
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Originally Posted by Speakerphile View Post

It is a newer revision of the DragonFly.  Creatively named the DragonFly v1.2.  
How different is it's sound quality?
post #17839 of 22821
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Originally Posted by money4me247 View Post

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Originally Posted by B1ueB1aze View Post

 
Other then my problem; I'm looking into getting a DAC/Amp. I would be using it mostly with my MacBook Air, so it has to be portable. I’ve been recommended the Fiio E17 earlier in the thread, but I have also seen the AudioQuest Dragonfly. Between these two, which would be the best for the M-100’s?
I dunno what your budget is, but if I was looking for a portable dac/amp combo, I would get the jds c5d. Fiio has a lot of good more-budget-friendly dac/amp options: the Fiio E07K Andes is cheaper w/ better battery life if you don't need an coaxial & optical connector of the E17.

If you're willing to eschew portability, you can really increase your performance:price ratio.
I never use the optical or coaxial attachments, lol. But the E17 is better than E70k.
post #17840 of 22821
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Originally Posted by valkolton View Post

Great to read the feedback.

CanJam - XS/M-100 Launches
For those that went to CanJam, I apologize I could not make it. Our new product XS is launching and I was just to stressed with all the photos/videos necessary.  We are also making a video for M-100 that is behind schedule, it is going to be unbelievable. Most exciting, however is that our V-MODA Milano office opened and it is right next to wear Leonardo Da Vinci worked as a civil and military engineer!.

What is the XS? All I can find on it is a placeholder on a retailer's website:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1008402-REG/v_moda_xs_u_mblackm_xs_matte_black_metal.html

Is it an on-ear model? IEM? Perhaps some clip-ons? Very curious about this one.
This is the XS.
www.head-fi.org/t/695104/lightbox/post/10064479/id/994838

It's a M80 with Clicqfold hinges, but here's it's masked quite cleverly.
Edited by Allucid - 12/14/13 at 1:44am
post #17841 of 22821
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Originally Posted by AristoNYC View Post
 

Thanks so much for your detailed response! 

I will definitely give these a try for a few weeks. I'm going to head to B&H and try a few others out. 

Well, as far as money not being a thing I think under $500 is ideal. 

Will the XL pads change the sound at all, or just comfort?

 

as for the M-80, I couldn't get them to fit on my ears, even with them fully extended, my head isn't even that big/tall. 

XL pads were designed to improve comfort and fit. Whether they improve/deprove/do not change the sound is subjective with different users reporting different results. The differing opinion can be due to the fact that if there really was a sonic change caused by a few millimeters of additional thickness, the different variations in ear shapes/sizes and initial personal fit would also have a impact on the sound. I personally think it is highly unlikely that the earpads will have a dramatic change in sound, but I haven't gotten the chance to do a blind A/B test. However, I can say that I would be more than happy to sacrifice a minor bit of sound quality for the tremendous improvement comfort and fit that the XL pads provide, and I would highly recommend the XL pads for any users experiencing discomfort with the initial fit of the M100s (especially related to outer ear pain from the drivers pressing against your ears). For people without discomfort, I don't think the XL pads would make that much difference.

post #17842 of 22821
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Originally Posted by Existence View Post

I never use the optical or coaxial attachments, lol. But the E17 is better than E70k.
 

That is a subjective statement without any evidence to back it up. Maybe after you do a few double blind A/B comparison test with a group of people you can say that as more than a personal opinion.

 

Objectively, the E17 has additional connects. The E07K is cheaper, lighter, and has a better battery life. From what I've read on retail websites such as Amazon, both the E17 and E07K have the exact SAME internal components except for the amp, so the E17 has more output power when it comes to amping. That is all the differences in a nutshell.

 

Practically what does this mean? It means that the DAC capabilities of the E17 & E07K are IDENTICAL as both have the same Wolfson chip for a DAC. The DAC is what is responsible for the majority sonic improvements that you will hear. The amping will simply mean more power, more volume. For power hungry headphones such as planar magnetic headphones, more power can have a pronounced effect on the sound quality. Otherwise, the effect on sound quality is generally very slight compared to the improvements from the DAC. E17 amps more power, but the likelihood of that slight 50mW additional output power of the E17 having a dramatic impact sonic quality for a low impedance high sensitivity headphones such the M100s that do not really require amplification in the first place and already reach high volumes at low power... very doubtful IMO. In fact, I would be pretty surprised if you could accurately distinguish between the two devices in a blind test.

 

If you use these devices as a DAC only, there is NO sonic difference between them. There is only a difference in the headphone amp.

 

Facts:

E17 = Output power: 277 mW x 2 (16Ω), 35 mW x 2 (300Ω)
Texas Instruments PCM2706 USB receiver, Wolfson 8740 DAC chip, and amplification by ADI AD8692.

E07K = Output power: >220 mW (32Ω), >250 mW (16Ω)
TI PCM2706 USB receiver, Wolfson WM8740 DAC, ADI AD8692 OP Amp and TI TPA6130A Power AMP

 

If you go to the fiio website and compare the specs, they are virtual identical except for the amping section. 
http://www.fiio.com.cn/products/index.aspx?ID=100000012071912&MenuID=105026002

 
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Originally Posted by Existence View Post
This is the XS.
www.head-fi.org/t/695104/lightbox/post/10064479/id/994838

It's a M80 with Clicqfold hinges, but here's it's masked quite cleverly.

zzzz.... Old news. There were cached pages of XS product info from retailers that already detailed what the XS is from a few months ago. Basically, a M80 w/ hinges. Comes in either black metal and white pearl. One of the forum members here (Spidernan I think) also saw Val w/ the product around his neck in person in NY. Really the only interesting thing left about this product is what it actually sounds like, but that won't be known until after they are released.


Edited by money4me247 - 12/14/13 at 2:25am
post #17843 of 22821
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Originally Posted by money4me247 View Post

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Originally Posted by Existence View Post

I never use the optical or coaxial attachments, lol. But the E17 is better than E70k.
 


That is a subjective statement without any evidence to back it up. Maybe after you do a few double blind A/B comparison test with a group of people you can say that as more than a personal opinion.

Objectively, the E17 has additional connects. The E07K is cheaper, lighter, and has a better battery life. From what I've read on retail websites such as Amazon, both the E17 and E07K have the exact SAME internal components except for the amp, so the E17 has more output power when it comes to amping. That is all the differences in a nutshell.

Practically what does this mean? It means that the DAC capabilities of the E17 & E07K are IDENTICAL as both have the same Wolfson chip for a DAC. The DAC is what is responsible for the majority sonic improvements that you will hear. The amping will simply mean more power, more volume. For power hungry headphones such as planar magnetic headphones, more power can have a pronounced effect on the sound quality. Otherwise, the effect on sound quality is generally very slight compared to the improvements from the DAC. E17 amps more power, but the likelihood of that slight 50mW additional output power of the E17 having a dramatic impact sonic quality for a low impedance high sensitivity headphones such the M100s that do not really require amplification in the first place and already reach high volumes at low power... very doubtful IMO. In fact, I would be pretty surprised if you could accurately distinguish between the two devices in a blind test.

If you use these devices as a DAC only, there is NO sonic difference between them. There is only a difference in the headphone amp.

Facts:
E17 = Output power: 277 mW x 2 (16Ω), 35 mW x 2 (300Ω)

Texas Instruments PCM2706 USB receiver, Wolfson 8740 DAC chip, and amplification by ADI AD8692.
E07K = Output power: >220 mW (32Ω), >250 mW (16Ω)

TI PCM2706 USB receiver, Wolfson WM8740 DAC, ADI AD8692 OP Amp and TI TPA6130A Power AMP

If you go to the fiio website and compare the specs, they are virtual identical except for the amping section. 
http://www.fiio.com.cn/products/index.aspx?ID=100000012071912&MenuID=105026002
 

Quote:
This is the XS.
www.head-fi.org/t/695104/lightbox/post/10064479/id/994838


It's a M80 with Clicqfold hinges, but here's it's masked quite cleverly.
zzzz.... Old news. There were cached pages of XS product info from retailers that already detailed what the XS is from a few months ago. Basically, a M80 w/ hinges. Comes in either black metal and white pearl. One of the forum members here (Spidernan I think) also saw Val w/ the product around his neck in person in NY. Really the only interesting thing left about this product is what it actually sounds like, but that won't be known until after they are released.
I was saying in my opinion. I've modded a leather iphone 4 case to fit my E17
Technically the E17 is better as it has coxial and optical inputs. I don't mind either way, you're right about price point, but it all depends. In my experience the E17 is the best amplifier of FiiO's for my cans, and I own a 6000mah battery pack, so battery isn't an issue for me.
I should of clarifified.

Also, I posted that XS thread because V-Moda tried to cover it up. smily_headphones1.gif
post #17844 of 22821

V-MODA Said:

Unfortunately, we are not able to etch the shields attached to the headphones. You will need to purchase a separate shield kit if you would like a 2nd etched pair of custom shields.

 

 

:( I thought they were known for 6 star support, the shields that come standard on the m100 arent even sold :S.

I asked them to etch on the shields that come standard with the shadow...

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Originally Posted by Aerathion View Post
 

V-MODA Said:

Unfortunately, we are not able to etch the shields attached to the headphones. You will need to purchase a separate shield kit if you would like a 2nd etched pair of custom shields.

 

 

:( I thought they were known for 6 star support, the shields that come standard on the m100 arent even sold :S.

I asked them to etch on the shields that come standard with the shadow...

 

They do have 6 star support. But that request is honestly kinda out there.

 

Here is what you are asking them to do for context. You are asking them to open up the headphones from the box (straight out of the factory), remove the shields, put them in the laser etching machine, then put them back on, repackage and send them out. Honestly, I don't think any company would be willing to do that no matter how good their support. You'd also have customers likely complain that their headphones were opened beforehand if they did, even if they asked for that service. It would honestly be a mess of a process. 

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Originally Posted by kyuuketsuki View Post
 

 

They do have 6 star support. But that request is honestly kinda out there.

 

Here is what you are asking them to do for context. You are asking them to open up the headphones from the box (straight out of the factory), remove the shields, put them in the laser etching machine, then put them back on, repackage and send them out. Honestly, I don't think any company would be willing to do that no matter how good their support. You'd also have customers likely complain that their headphones were opened beforehand if they did, even if they asked for that service. It would honestly be a mess of a process. 


I'm giving them permission to do all of those things, and secondly the shields that i want on them (just the standard shadow shields) are not available for seperate purchase. I wouldnt mind paying 25 bucks dont get me wrong, its not like im trying to save money here.

 

Also i might add the women i talked to via mail, that i requested this first to, said to me to attach the question to my order and that they would take care of it.


Edited by Aerathion - 12/14/13 at 6:15am
post #17847 of 22821
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Originally Posted by Aerathion View Post
 


I'm giving them permission to do all of those things, and secondly the shields that i want on them (just the standard shadow shields) are not available for seperate purchase. I wouldnt mind paying 25 bucks dont get me wrong, its not like im trying to save money here.

 

Also i might add the women i talked to via mail, that i requested this first to, said to me to attach the question to my order and that they would take care of it.

 

Really? They had them earlier in the year.... If not I think the matte black are similar.

 

And my point was that it is a lot to ask for any company. So them telling you "no" shouldn't be that big of a shocker. 

post #17848 of 22821
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Originally Posted by kyuuketsuki View Post
 

 

Really? They had them earlier in the year.... If not I think the matte black are similar.

 

And my point was that it is a lot to ask for any company. So them telling you "no" shouldn't be that big of a shocker. 


the reason why i was suprised was because when i contacted them via mail they said it wasnt a problem and that i should just leave a note with my order.

post #17849 of 22821
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Originally Posted by Existence View Post
Also, I posted that XS thread because V-Moda tried to cover it up. smily_headphones1.gif

 

If they did try, they didn't try very hard.  For a company that does as much graphic work as they do I would think they could adequately cover this up if they wanted to.  It was immediately obvious to me as soon as I saw the image posted to their FB page.  

post #17850 of 22821
The cable entry on the right earcup was the dead give-away for me since the m-80 only has a cable entry in the left earcup. I didn't even see the hinge. XD
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