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post #15631 of 21183
Bluetooth and NC headphones are compromises... They have their obvious benefit, but they also introduce artifacts and limit ultimate sound quality. That Bluetooth headphone that must be within a few feet of the source? It has to have it's own power supply, amp, and DAC all crammed inside the earcup and budget of the headphone, and the audio must be compressed to stream through the limited bandwidth of Bluetooth. If I would willingly spend $150 or $300 on largeish amps and DACs to maximize the SQ of wired headphones connecting to a PC, what kind of compromises are made for an all-in-one Bluetooth option, just to be "wireless?"

I'm still testing my M-100, but I'm so far impressed with the separation of instruments and voices. They are even doing a fair job of imaging with virtual headphone surround DSPs while gaming!
post #15632 of 21183
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

Bluetooth and NC headphones are compromises... They have their obvious benefit, but they also introduce artifacts and limit ultimate sound quality. That Bluetooth headphone that must be within a few feet of the source? It has to have it's own power supply, amp, and DAC all crammed inside the earcup and budget of the headphone, and the audio must be compressed to stream through the limited bandwidth of Bluetooth. If I would willingly spend $150 or $300 on largeish amps and DACs to maximize the SQ of wired headphones connecting to a PC, what kind of compromises are made for an all-in-one Bluetooth option, just to be "wireless?"

I'm still testing my M-100, but I'm so far impressed with the separation of instruments and voices. They are even doing a fair job of imaging with virtual headphone surround DSPs while gaming!

I love the M-100 sound-wise. It is the comfort department I cannot deal with.
post #15633 of 21183
That's fine, ymmv. So far, taking breaks isn't bothering me and they've been very convenient to use on-the-go. Right now, I'm even preferring them over my Q701 SQ-wise when connecting to my iPad without an external amp.
post #15634 of 21183

Speakerphile:

 

Is there a financial reason for your returning the M100s immediately (such as the expiration of the 30-day return window)? If so, then your decision's completely understandable; if not, then forgoing the chance to try the XLs seems impatient to the point of self-sabotage, since you say you love the sound signature and performance.
 

One other good reason to sell now: you might be trying to dodge the depreciation in reselling. 

 

V-Moda seem to have a lot of overstock and tend to cut their prices dramatically after a year or more.  The reduced prices and sales on the remaining stock tend to make the more expensive headphones unusually difficult to resell at a reasonable loss if one waits too long.  Perhaps that will change as the overstock clears out and models are discontinued.

 

Something to consider when deciding whether headphone prices are worth it:-- the ability to resell.  I have the original Alessandro MS2 and haven't even thought about reselling it in the wake of the MS2i.


Edited by scrypt - 7/21/13 at 5:49am
post #15635 of 21183
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Originally Posted by adamlr View Post

Ive been using my m-100 with my O2+Odac and im very very pleased (if that was your question?)

 

im pretty sure they cant put the C5 and Odac in the same case, seeing as the Odac isnt their design...

 

Adamir:

 

Thanks for the answer. I haven't been able to respond until now because I'm in the middle of moving from New York City to White Plains and the complications have been glitchy to the point of bizarre.  Normally I belabor people about the head with a rubber bladder when they mention astrology, but apparently, the past three weeks have been a time in which everything involving communications and electronics is supposed to go wrong and I really can't disagree with that.  Never before have I experienced malfunction of such insidious yet bludgeoning consistency.

 

RE my question:

 

It was about using a C5 with the ODAC as opposed to other DACs -- i.e., about the synergy of a C5 with the ODAC -- but thanks.

 

My second point concerned the creation of a small all-in-one JSL DAC/amp that is intended to sound (in essence) like the ODAC, as the C5 was the Objective2 (with arguable results, as the argumentative might argue). 

 

I would imagine that, in the confection of such a svelte hunk of shiny-shiny, the actual design and form factor would be greater obstacles than the ODAC circuit board's being designed by NwAvGuy and Yoyodyne Consulting.  Besides which, JSLabs might use the ODAC's performance and signature as, um, objectives rather than its specific circuitry and design as limitations.

 

At this point, I'll have to see which DACs actually work with my new Galaxy S4, which one of the many malfunctions mentioned above necessitated my buying quite suddenly.  Very odd to have a four-year-old Epic 4G die noisily beyond resurrection in the midst of light usage.

 

I've been following Head-fi's DAC/Android compatibility thread since its inception, but there are variables I might have to sort on my own (i.e., the specific iteration and carrier for rooting), perhaps with a bit of research on XDA.


Edited by scrypt - 7/21/13 at 5:39am
post #15636 of 21183
Quote:
Originally Posted by scrypt View Post

Speakerphile:

 

Is there a financial reason for your returning the M100s immediately (such as the expiration of the 30-day return window)? If so, then your decision's completely understandable; if not, then choosing not to wait to try the XLs seems impatient to the point of self-sabotage, since you say you love the sound signature and performance.
 

The only other thing I can think of is that you might be trying to dodge the depreciation in reselling. 

 

V-Moda seems to have a lot of overstock, and cuts their prices dramatically after a year or more.  The reduced prices and sales on the remaining headphones seem to make them an unusually difficult resell if one waits for too long.  Perhaps that will change as the overstock clears out and models are discontinued.

 

Something to consider when deciding whether headphone prices are worth it:-- the ability to resell.  I have the original Alessandro MS2 and haven't even thought about reselling it in the wake of the MS2i.

 

I think you referred to me. In any case, I´ll answer. I like the headphones but I find so many reasons why selling them right now is a no-brainer:

 

- If I sell right now I will be losing almost no money in the transaction, for all the reasons you mentioned above.

- I am barely using them because of the comfort issues I have with them. I find myself going to any other headphone I have around. Even I tried yesterday a session with them, with and without mod, with and without softies, and I couldn´t really stand them for more than 10 minutes.

- Waiting for the XL pads makes no more sense to me, as I have already waiting so long, I think this is not going to change right now. Moreover, look again at the first point. I would be losing money.

- In my opinion, they are portable, but not "that" portable. It´s like putting a ball inside your backpack. I find the foldability of the MDR-1R much more appealing.

- Selling them right now, I can invest in other headphones I want to try and that I would be using much more with a high probability.

- I can rebuy them at any point.

 

Being completely honest. I think the headphones are super hot, good sounding, with a bunch of cool features and good ideas on them. It is just a comfort thing, and I have super small ears, not kidding. I remember myself opening the box for the first time and thinking: "Guau, what some of that people said online was really true, not an exageration". I´ve been just fighting with it because I really liked the cans. I would really love to come back to them in the future if they release some fix, it is just not the timing.


Edited by Ashade - 7/19/13 at 9:39am
post #15637 of 21183

Hey guys, today I received a new amp

Meet Margaret (Click to show)

The ifi iCAN
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/944245_274141536061442_1028560629_n.jpg

I have Margaret hooked up to my DAC Raven (CLAS-db) and right now I'm in the middle of serious evaluation using the AKG Q701 but in between I quickly plugged in my 600 ohm AKG K240 MP Sextette and my M-100 for a quick listen. The iCAN was able to drive the K240 MP Sextette quite well even though it has a demanding load. The Q701, the can I've currently centered my attention on, is quite easily driven by Margaret. What I like about Margaret is she has a very potent bass boost which gives my Q can a very nice low end to the point it no longer sounds bass anemic. As an aside, she also had a holographic 3D audio setting that's rather fun to play around with. I also plugged in my M-100 for a real quick ten minute listen and liked what I heard. Even though the M-100 is quite sensitive I detected no hiss from Margaret. When I threw on the bass boost the M-100 went from bass heavy straight into the realm of bass cannon, as in rattle your fillings out of your mouth if you're not careful. Seriously, I felt the cups on the side of my head vibrate when a song was playing and I wasn't even blasting the volume. If you guys are interested I could write up a review in a week or so for the thread involving the pairing between the M-100 and Margaret. If you guys are interested let me know with your posts on the thread.

 

Bless

Arly


Edited by DigitalFreak - 7/19/13 at 5:23pm
post #15638 of 21183
^ how large is the iFi compared to the M-100? Photos of it make it look like a gold brick in size. XD
post #15639 of 21183
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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post

^ how large is the iFi compared to the M-100? Photos of it make it look like a gold brick in size. XD


You're not to far off in your size assessment. For a desktop amp it's one of the more smaller amps on the market. Heres a couple of pics I quickly snapped with my phone. The second pic we see Margaret sitting next to my ipod Touch 3rd gen. Thickness wise, I'd say it's maybe 3 or 4 times thicker then the Touch. Length wise, about a third longer. Width is about the same as the iPod. I've plugged the M-100 in for a a more informed listen. After about 10 minutes I've given up on the bass boost with the M-100. I like bass but I'm not an extreme bass head. Even the lowest bass boost setting is to much for me and on the highest bass boost setting the mids and highs become way to overpowered by the lows. I'm impressed though, the M-100 drivers can really move a lot of air when the lows are boosted. The 3D Holographic Sound switch is rather interesting. It really messes a lot with the M-100's spacial cues in it's sound stage. With the Q701 the setting seemed to give the can more depth with the M-100 not so much although some of it's spacial cues seem to have more air between them all the while overall sound stage size seems about the same. Don't quote me on that, I'll need more time and far more music to assess the 3D settings with the M-100. I seem to get acceptable enough headroom when turning the volume knob, about 30 maybe 40% max before the volume is to high, and the amp seems to be dead silent when there's no music playing. Oh, something else I should mention, Margaret is hooked up to Raven which is the original CLAS-db. My DAC's output is softer compared to many other DAC's. When the db originally came out its output was lowered so when paired with a ALO RX MKIII-B it would play nice with sensitive gear like low impedance IEM's. Depending on your DAC Margaret might have more grunt due to louder source which might mean less headroom. I should try hooking up my Sony XB 700 to this amp and see what it can do in comparison to the M-100.

 

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1002319_274269252715337_1935372499_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/970123_274269266048669_1832872106_n.jpg


Edited by DigitalFreak - 7/19/13 at 8:19pm
post #15640 of 21183
So i received my M-100 today. The comfort is great, i've been using them for about 4 hours and my ears doesn't feel uncomfortable at all. The headphone and the case, imo, is a bit bulky since i'm kinda small (i'm an Asian though). The high is crisp and clear, the mid is actually really good, not as bad as i thought in the first place. But the bass, well, to me the bass is not powerful enough. I don't know why but even the M-80 bass is more impactful and even better in amount compare to the M-100. My DAP is iPod Touch 5 and i set the volume about 50%. Does anyone has the same impression as me :|?
Edited by legendcheater - 7/20/13 at 5:29am
post #15641 of 21183
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Originally Posted by scrypt View Post

 

Adamir:

 

Thanks for the answer. I haven't been able to respond until now because I'm in the middle of moving from New York City to White Plains and the complications have been glitchy to the point of bizarre.  Normally I belabor people about the head with a rubber bladder when they mention astrology, but apparently, the past three weeks have been a time in which everything involving communications and electronics is supposed to go wrong and I really can't disagree with that.  Never before have I experienced malfunction of such insidious yet bludgeoning consistency.

 

RE my question:

 

It was about using a CD5 with the ODAC as opposed to other DACs -- i.e., about the synergy of a CD5 with the ODAC -- but thanks.

 

My second point concerned the creation of a small all-in-one JDL DAC/amp that is intended to sound (in essence) like the ODAC, as the CD5 was the Objective2 (with arguable results, as the argumentative might argue). 

 

I would imagine that, in the confection of such a svelte hunk of shiny-shiny, the actual design and form factor would be greater obstacles than the ODAC circuit board's being designed by NwAvGuy and Yoyodyne Consulting.  Besides which, JDLabs might use the ODAC's performance and signature as, um, objectives rather than its specific circuitry and design as limitations.

 

At this point, I'll have to see which DACs actually work with my new Galaxy S4, which one of the many malfunctions mentioned above necessitated my buying quite suddenly.  Very odd to have a four-year-old Epic 4G die noisily beyond resurrection in the midst of light usage.

 

I've been following Head-fi's DAC/Android compatibility thread since its inception, but there are variables I might have to sort on my own (i.e., the specific iteration and carrier for rooting), perhaps with a bit of research on XDA.

jds labs, not jdl labs. C5, not CD5. 

 

anyhoo, cant help you there im afraid, as i dont own the C5, but you should ask miceblue, as he often speaks of the C5 + m-100 pairing, and im almost sure he has an odac aswell. so perhaps he'll be able to answer you.

 

sorry to hear about all the trouble, i hope your cosmic adventure has ended so you can settle into your new home with peace =]

Quote:
Originally Posted by DigitalFreak View Post

Hey guys, today I received a new amp

Meet Margaret (Click to show)

The ifi iCAN
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/944245_274141536061442_1028560629_n.jpg

I have Margaret hooked up to my DAC Raven (CLAS-db) and right now I'm in the middle of serious evaluation using the AKG Q701 but in between I quickly plugged in my 600 ohm AKG K240 MP Sextette and my M-100 for a quick listen. The iCAN was able to drive the K240 MP Sextette quite well even though it has a demanding load. The Q701, the can I've currently centered my attention on, is quite easily driven by Margaret. What I like about Margaret is she has a very potent bass boost which gives my Q can a very nice low end to the point it no longer sounds bass anemic. As an aside, she also had a holographic 3D audio setting that's rather fun to play around with. I also plugged in my M-100 for a real quick ten minute listen and liked what I heard. Even though the M-100 is quite sensitive I detected no hiss from Margaret. When I threw on the bass boost the M-100 went from bass heavy straight into the realm of bass cannon, as in rattle your fillings out of your mouth if you're not careful. Seriously, I felt the cups on the side of my head vibrate when a song was playing and I wasn't even blasting the volume. If you guys are interested I could write up a review in a week or so for the thread involving the pairing between the M-100 and Margaret. If you guys are interested let me know with your posts on the thread.

 

Bless

Arly


interested!

post #15642 of 21183
Quote:
Originally Posted by legendcheater View Post

So i received my M-100 today. The comfort is great, i've been using them for about 4 hours and my ears doesn't feel uncomfortable at all. The headphone and the case, imo, is a bit bulky since i'm kinda small (i'm an Asian though). The high is crisp and clear, the mid is actually really good, not as bad as i thought in the first place. But the bass, well, to me the bass is not powerful enough. I don't know why but even the M-80 bass is more impactful and even better in amount compare to the M-100. My DAP is iPod Touch 5 and i set the volume about 50%. Does anyone has the same impression as me :|?

 

I noticed that too, I like the M80 punch. It is definitely more punchier or impactful than the m100. But its very lean. M100 has more of I would call it a full bass.
post #15643 of 21183
Getting ready to order the midnight blue shields from V-moda and was wondering what size hex wrench is needed for the hex screws. I understand that the shields will come with an Allen key, but I don't trust that it will be made of quality steel and am afraid of possibly stripping the screws. I used to build hobby-grade RC cars and have high-end hex drivers both SAE and Metric, so I am positive I will have the right size and hex drivers are easier to use than Allen keys.

Thanks.
post #15644 of 21183
I will see if I can find out when I get home, but I have no problem using the stock one. Just sure you don't over tighten the screws.
post #15645 of 21183
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Originally Posted by DrGonzo View Post

Getting ready to order the midnight blue shields from V-moda and was wondering what size hex wrench is needed for the hex screws. I understand that the shields will come with an Allen key, but I don't trust that it will be made of quality steel and am afraid of possibly stripping the screws. I used to build hobby-grade RC cars and have high-end hex drivers both SAE and Metric, so I am positive I will have the right size and hex drivers are easier to use than Allen keys.

Thanks.


Good question and stripping is definitely an issue after I changed mine twice.  I measure about 1mm, but  would contact V-Moda as it is almost too small to get an exact measurement and the smallest allen wrench I have ever seen.

 

Also, excellent choice on the midnight blue.


Edited by Craigster75 - 7/20/13 at 1:50pm
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