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post #15316 of 21063
Checked out my purchase for the M-100!!!!
Here's my custom shield design:

It's for my gaming clan (as mentioned before), we're BPaq cuz we've got eachother's backs (or at least I can count on picking up ammo from their dead bodies XD), the q was used because, well, sometimes I get in a funny mood, and it made the other guys laugh, and it's stuck for like 3 years now. We've got a couple of ex-MLG guys in our crew, I personally have never been but we keep talking about taking our game to the next level and start making content and seeking a sponsor. We might end up being the Chicago Cubs of the MLG scene... But gosh darn it we have fun playing!

So I was also reading up on the Verza after my purchase (link was suggested), apparently they DO have (and include) a Lightning to USB short cable to allow the Verza to be used as a DAC. WELLL, ain't that a massive relief. Of course $600 is a lot and pushed out from my immediate future (car down payment, actually a Verza is worth more than my current car's trade-in ph34r.gif ), but it's good to know going forward there is a clean output option. I noticed that the Verza can also be used as a USB DAC for my PC (Mac & Windows), and that it supports optical/toslink output if, say, I wanted to connect it to my home receiver. I don't know if the Verza offers a Line-Out option, but the iPhone 5 needs an external DAC to get some form of LO (straight to the Verza amp section in this case) since the new iOS devices don't have LO capability as part of their dock connector (purely digital connection).
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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post

Well yeah...the O2 is another amp so I'm comparing an amp with an amp, not a DAC and amp with an amp. If I wanted to compare a DAC, I simply switch out the ODAC. You cannot do so with the VERZA so you're essentially comparing two different things. I used the ODAC as a common DAC between my O2 and C5 comparisons, or the iPhone DAC for those comparisons. The only thing I changed for my comparisons was the amp and the amp only; cables, sources, DAC were all the same. You're comparing the VERZA amp and DAC to an iPhone DAC and E11, and using different cables if that makes a difference.

The VERZA is your reference DAC and amp, not just an amp. The ODAC is my reference DAC and the O2 is my reference amp.
Yeah but... You can't plug in the ODAC to a 30-Pin iOS device anyway either, so you're not quite taking the full benefits of the system into account. Maybe scientifically it makes sense to compare with only one variable at a time, but in a practical sense it doesn't make sense to discount any of the features that add value to a product. Overall, it may be better than both of the cheap options. The big gotcha is it's only $50 cheaper than an iPhone 5 itself.
post #15317 of 21063
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Originally Posted by techboyjv View Post

I agree! I notice I could feel the M80's low end a little more, it punches harder. Sadly my M100 are sent for repair, but the good part is that I am getting a white silver in exchange. After looking at it carefully the white is so beautiful! What color shield look better, the blue or the red? I currently have the Gold shields. What color would look good for a tall, little bulky male? Haha Miceblue was right about the white! But I dont mind the white creme color. Thanks Guys!


I have the darker blue shield with the white/silver and think it looks fantastic.

post #15318 of 21063
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

Craigster75,
I hear you about the sync-and-go goodness of the iPhone, and of course the iTunes Music Store makes new music so easy. Also, I can't get through more than like a gig of music in a day, BUT I like variety and the ability to choose from my library. I'm torn between buying an unlocked iPhone 4S on eBay and getting one of the cheap T-Mobile plans, mostly I use texting and about two calls a week, OR going with AT&T's superior service and a subsidized iPhone 5, and waiting till a Lightning-compatible Verza (or similar) comes out. Sure there are obstacles, but once those are overcome, the Lightning port seems ideal for connection to an external DAC. Another thing I've heard is the headphone port on an iPhone 5 is really good though, good enough in a practical sense that I could hook it to my launch-version E12 and reach audio Nirvana.

Btw, I spent 45 minutes or something on my shield design, it's about ready. Ok to show it here?


In your situation, I would go the AT&T route with Iphone 5 if you want Verza; Iphone 4S (unlocked) with any stand-alone portable amps that require a 30-pin connection.  Since I owned a defective 32-gig Iphone 4, I was fortunate enough to get my replacement through Apple for only $149, so that is why I stayed with the Iphone 4.  Otherwise, I would have gone with a 64GB Iphone 5, then had to put out another $100 for a Metallo case.  The lightning-compatible Verza is here.  In fact, Verza through V-Moda now includes the connector!  Of course, you could always start with the E12.  However, from what I have read, it's not that the headphone jack output is superior to Iphone 4/4S, it's that the Iphone 5's line out using the lightning to 30-pin adapter has an inferior DAC compared to Iphone 4 since, in the case of Iphone 5, it is incorporated into the adapter vs. the DAC built into the phone.

 

From Verza order page:

 

Includes 4" USB to Lightning cable for iPhone 5 / iPod Touch (5th gen) / iPod Nano (7th gen) / iPad (4th gen) / iPad Mini

 

I suppose the cheaper route is unlocked 4S/E12, but then I believe you don't have a phone warranty, plus the sound will be a notch below, also keeping in mind that Verza was tuned with M-100.


Edited by Craigster75 - 7/5/13 at 2:54am
post #15319 of 21063
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

So I was also reading up on the Verza after my purchase (link was suggested), apparently they DO have (and include) a Lightning to USB short cable to allow the Verza to be used as a DAC. WELLL, ain't that a massive relief. Of course $600 is a lot and pushed out from my immediate future (car down payment, actually a Verza is worth more than my current car's trade-in ph34r.gif ), but it's good to know going forward there is a clean output option. I noticed that the Verza can also be used as a USB DAC for my PC (Mac & Windows), and that it supports optical/toslink output if, say, I wanted to connect it to my home receiver. I don't know if the Verza offers a Line-Out option, but the iPhone 5 needs an external DAC to get some form of LO (straight to the Verza amp section in this case) since the new iOS devices don't have LO capability as part of their dock connector (purely digital connection).
Wait, what? I had no idea this was the case. So does that mean one can now easily bypass the iPhone 5's built-in DAC by using the dock connector? As far as I know there are only like 3 DAC/amps in the world (Verza being one) that could bypass the iPhone 4S and earlier built-in DACs, and it required a license from Apple, hence the higher price. Hmmm...
Edited by blueangel2323 - 7/5/13 at 7:16am
post #15320 of 21063
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Originally Posted by dilinator View Post

So is there much of a synergy difference between the Fiio E07Ks and the E12s with the M-100s?

I don't have a problem w either really but I prefer the e07k just because I can tweak the settings a bit more. Individual bass and treble gains and L & R balance being the most important as I seem to hear a bit better w my left ear. Haha. I love both amps but use the e07k way more often.
post #15321 of 21063
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Originally Posted by blueangel2323 View Post


Wait, what? I had no idea this was the case. So does that mean one can now easily bypass the iPhone 5's built-in DAC by using the dock connector? As far as I know there are only like 3 DAC/amps in the world (Verza being one) that could bypass the iPhone 4S and earlier built-in DACs, and it required a license from Apple, hence the higher price. Hmmm...

The Lightning to 30 pin adapter has a Wolfson DAC inside, so for the VERZA t will make more sense to just get a Lighning to USB interconnect for the VERZA.  It is great to see now even that is included in the package.

post #15322 of 21063
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Originally Posted by blueangel2323 View Post


Wait, what? I had no idea this was the case. So does that mean one can now easily bypass the iPhone 5's built-in DAC by using the dock connector? As far as I know there are only like 3 DAC/amps in the world (Verza being one) that could bypass the iPhone 4S and earlier built-in DACs, and it required a license from Apple, hence the higher price. Hmmm...

 

Not much changed at that front, though the high price of those iPhone compatible DACs is IMO only in a (very) small part based on that Apple license...

 

Technically they simply kicked various interface chips out, i.e. Lightning offers a kind of generic bus and the adapter communicates with the device which data it needs. The Lightning/30pin adapter seems to contain a Wolfson DAC for providing the analog Line Out signal:

http://www.chipworks.com/en/technical-competitive-analysis/resources/blog/recentteardowns/files/2012/10/board-side-bv2.jpg?file=2012/10/board-side-bv2.jpg

 

The reasoning behind that seems to be to keep the phones board simpler and externalize parts that are likely to change and/or not be necessary in many circumstances: many iPhone owners will likely never connect anything to a line out I guess.

 

To get to the digital signal the DAC manufacturer still needs a license (and dedicated chips I guess) to communicate with the iPhone. But the costs for that are not $300 for sure... that already includes higher development costs plus a tax for being a one-of-a-kind DAC (well, now its more one of tree or so).

post #15323 of 21063
Ok thanks. I'm not familiar with DACs - is the Wolfson any good?
post #15324 of 21063
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Originally Posted by blueangel2323 View Post

Ok thanks. I'm not familiar with DACs - is the Wolfson any good?

 

You can get wolfson dac chips to sound good or sound bad, it is as much about the other parts connected to the actual chip. But yes the 8740 and 8741 are good dac chips, Would not worry about it too much. If you want a good DAC from your PC at a low price.. Get a Xonar STX and that is as good or better than pretty much any other dac under £300. (never tried anything more expensive).


Edited by nicholars - 7/5/13 at 10:14am
post #15325 of 21063
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Originally Posted by Craigster75 View Post


I have the darker blue shield with the white/silver and think it looks fantastic.

Awesome!!! Craigster you have always been such a help :D and thank you!!! 

 

I really like the Dark blue shields, but I am worried it may look feminine. I kind of like the dark grey since it matches the whole headphone, but the deep blue looks so awesome!

 

Val are you going to have a promo for the shields, I dont want to pay $45 bucks for my custom design :( 

post #15326 of 21063
Dark blue... Blue is a male color, socially, in America. It would match my car. And hey, you can get a custom designed shield, no charge, if you get it with an M-100 biggrin.gif

Mine's coming.... Sooooooo excited! Year and a half waiting, haha.
post #15327 of 21063

I just Love my set UP !!!

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post #15328 of 21063
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Originally Posted by Evshrug View Post

Dark blue... Blue is a male color, socially, in America. It would match my car. And hey, you can get a custom designed shield, no charge, if you get it with an M-100 biggrin.gif

Mine's coming.... Sooooooo excited! Year and a half waiting, haha.

Yep! I live in Chicago, yea blue is a male color. But I was thinking of the white and blue combo. But after looking at it, it looks amazing! I am not sure if I should order now since Val promo of the XL pads being free when you order something over $20 bucks. 

post #15329 of 21063
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Originally Posted by Jerryberry View Post

I just Love my set UP !!!

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Dude that looks amazing! Design looks awesome! 

post #15330 of 21063
^ nice stand! where'd you get it?
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