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Originally Posted by nicholars View Post

They do seem to respond quite well to EQ if you lower 7-11khz and also add a few db onto 350-900hz... Would prefer if they were more neutral out of the box and did not have to EQ them though.

 

Considering the price I got them at, I really don't care. I got them at a steal for working for a distributor. So... I'm overall very happy.

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I was discussing what I think about the headphones... Not whether you think your purchase was justified! Not sure what the point of your post is.

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so what happens to the people who bought the boom mic pro for 40 dollars?

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I think v-moda went a bit too far.... Now all you can hear is the 8-11khz treble and can barely hear anything from about 4-8khz... Also the lower mids from 300-1000hz are recessed. I think they went a bit too far with the recessed mids and lower treble and the spike at 8-11khz... If they would have made them a bit more neutral they would have been better. They do sound good as long as you like the frequencies of 20-200hz and 8-11khz more than the others!

 

For you they would be...  Remember, V-Moda's are still DJ headphones, reducing sibilance and taming highs is a good thing for these purposes (produces a less fatiguing sound).  Would I personally want them more neutral, of course, but there are reasons why they did what they did.  The M-100s are still a consumer branded 'phone.  Consumers (non-audiophiles) tend to like some coloration :p


Edited by tinyman392 - 6/13/13 at 12:06pm
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I was discussing what I think about the headphones... Not whether you think your purchase was justified! Not sure what the point of your post is.

 

I'm saying that I feel the same way, and I really have no issues with a little EQing at the price I paid. If I had paid full price and had to EQ I'd probably be a bit disappointed... I tend to prefer not EQing these days. (rather different than how I used to be)

 

Granted for some of my music I don't need to EQ, but still...


Edited by kyuuketsuki - 6/13/13 at 12:15pm
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Yeah, the treble spike does make the M-100's slightly metallic-sounding.

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Also these M-100 are about as comfortable as repeatedly stabbing myself in the eye with a screwdriver.

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That 10db spike at 8-11khz and also the 7db bass boost... To me this is practically all you can hear on the m-100...

 

The bass from about 20-200hz and the big treble spike at 8-11khz.... everything else is pretty far back recessed...

 

Im not saying they are bad headphones, just that they are very V shaped... I think the Momentum are better headphones due to this, they do not have the initial excitement of the M-100 but the overall sound is better as they present the whole frequency range properly. Just my preference as someone who likes lower mids and treble.

It only looks like there's a 10k spike when in reality there isn't much of one at all. It's just that there's a dip between 4-8k, which is absolutely necessary for all headphones for technical reasons I won't get into here. Using the midrange as a reference, amplitude is almost exactly the same at 1k and at 10k. There is also a dip at 400hz, which prevents the mids from being overly thick.

 

I don't hear a significant treble boost anywhere, even though treble is definitely not lacking. Val himself promised that he would never overly boost any frequencies above 8k in any V-moda product. If they sound harsh or sibilant to you, you're probably used to very dark phones.


Edited by blueangel2323 - 6/13/13 at 5:22pm
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Also these M-100 are about as comfortable as repeatedly stabbing myself in the eye with a screwdriver.

More comfortable then momentums though haha.
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More comfortable then momentums though haha.

 

Not for me at all, Momentums are OK for me.

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Also these M-100 are about as comfortable as repeatedly stabbing myself in the eye with a screwdriver.

 

Mine were the exact same way when I first got them. I couldn't wear them for more than 30 minutes without terrible pain on the top of my head and on my ear lobes. After about five days they loosened up and now I can wear them for hours with no discomfort whatsoever. 

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It only looks like there's a 10k spike when in reality there isn't much of one at all. It's just that there's a dip between 4-8k, which is absolutely necessary for all headphones for technical reasons I won't get into here. Using the midrange as a reference, amplitude is almost exactly the same at 1k and at 10k. There is also a dip at 400hz, which prevents the mids from being overly thick.

 

I don't hear a significant treble boost anywhere, even though treble is definitely not lacking. Val himself promised that he would never overly boost any frequencies above 8k in any V-moda product. If they sound harsh or sibilant to you, you're probably used to very dark phones.

 

This is your way of interpreting it....

 

There clearly is a very audible spike at 8-12khz.... Any other treble you cannot hardly hear it because it is so recessed behind the spike... I am not sure what technical reasons you think this is for but I have owned of headphones that have flat treble and sound fine. Whichever way you want to look at it the effect to the person listening is that 8-12khz sounds very prominent whereas 4-8khz and anything over 12khz is almost inaudible... To my ears this results in thin and unnatural sounding treble. Call it a spike or call it the rest of the treble being recessed it is irrelevant because the end effect to the listener is the same.... Also If the headphones were flat and still had that spike they would be unlistenable!

 

The dip in the mids makes the mids sound recessed and thin as if they are lost behind the bass.... for me they sound too recessed and all I can hear almost is the bass and the treble spike. It is not because I am used to dark headphones, it is because the M-100 are uneven, I just do not really like the treble because 2/3 of it is missing! Also the lower mids are missing IMO. Comparing the M-100 to the Momentums you can clearly tell that there is hardly any treble on the M-100 except the 8-12khz spike and also that the lower mids are missing behind the bass. Momentums the treble sounds thick and natural and the lower mids sound full and present.

 

Personally the M-100 are a disappointment to me, the frequency response is just wayyyy too uneven and this results in a very *BOOM TISHHH* type of sound where almost all you can hear is the bass and the treble spike with a small amount of mids in between. I like "fun" sounding headphones but these IMO are too uneven and it negatively effects the overall sound quality because half of the frequencies are so recessed that they are almost inaudible! Again this is just my personal impressions compared to the other headphones I have owned / used.


Edited by nicholars - 6/13/13 at 6:23pm
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20-250hz = Forward

350-800hz = Almost inaudible

900-3000hz = Audible

5-8khz = Almost inaudible

8-12khz = Forward

12Khz+ = Inaudible

 

So basically what you can hear is bass + some midrange from 900-3000hz and then a big treble spike at 8-12khz.... Sort of like a "W" shape....

 

Everything else is so recessed that you can hardly notice it behind those 3 mentioned above... So it seems to me like about 50% of the sound is pretty much missing. I am not saying that these sound bad... Just they they are quite flawed and not technically very accurate at all.


Edited by nicholars - 6/13/13 at 6:03pm
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The M-100's start to become very uncomfortable for me to wear after an hour's use for Skype calls. I have to take one earcup off at a time to give my ears some relief after an hour's use.

 

Speaking of Skype though, the Boom Pro Mic's microphone seems to have good sound quality from the feedback I've received from people on "the other end." The mute switch is convenient for coughing into the mic when you're sick so other people don't have to hear me, hahaha.

post #14895 of 20900
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I am not sure this is correct tbh... The M-100 have a MASSIVE treble peak which give false emphasis to the details whereas 598 is more accurate / realistic. If anything the M-100 is the one with the treble spike pushing the treble details into your face, whilst recessing other details at the same time. If anything the HD598 are presenting all the details whereas the M-100 are lacking detail. I don't even like the HD598 very much due to lack of bass and slightly boring sound but I am not sure your analysis is accurate... The m-100 have exaggerated bass and treble


Are you just going by a frequency graph or have you actually heard the M-100?  I don't recall a single post in this forum referencing exaggerated treble with the M-100 (I'm sure someone will make me eat my words).  IMO, M-100 has some of the smoothest, reasonably extended treble I have heard- very pleasing for most genres and never harsh.

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