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Originally Posted by SpiderNhan View Post

Here. Worth a thousand words, right?

Awesome, thank you! :)

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I still don't understand how a cable can change the sound as long as it isn't bottom tier bargain bin junk. ESPECIALLY over short distances.

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I still don't understand how a cable can change the sound as long as it isn't bottom tier bargain bin junk. ESPECIALLY over short distances.

 

I was kind of wondering how that short of a cable could have audible inductive characteristics, too.

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Steven from Stereophile magazine's "Entry Level" column addressed the idea of cables and interconnects affecting sound quality. I recommend you find that article, but basically he was a skeptic so he got a few interconnects to compare with his cheap RadioShack interconnects to make a subjective test, and he found that while he couldn't pin down a definitive sound character between the high quality cables, there was a definite improvement over cheap cables. It makes less of a difference than a different model of headphones/speakers/fit/placement/source-fidelity/amp, but he could hear an improvement.

There are Some things he didn't qualify in his article. Stress absorption, fray-resistance, tangle resistance, etc are all clear benefits, so durability is a valid consideration for a headphone cable. Second, the gauge of the wire makes a pretty big difference in speaker cabling, and, though I haven't (yet) owned headphones with interchangable cables, I think it is valid to infer that the wire gauge makes a difference for headphones too. The last bit that becomes a bit outside of common knowledge is the conductive properties of the metal used in the cable. I'm not a materials engineer, so all I know is copper is a better conductor than gold and that there are superior electrical conductors than copper, but I still believe it makes a difference. I mean, it carries an analogue signal, unlike HDMI cables, so a cable that preserves the strength and dynamic range of the signal (amplitude) would make a difference. Is it perceptible to the human ear? That probably varies person to person, and by how much hearing damage they've added over their lifetime. I personally can't hear Mosquitos anymore, which worries me.

Does any of this change your mind, or did I even explain my reasoning clearly for easy understanding? I dunno. But at least with the V-MODA headphones, we have the option of interchanging cables, which at the least is a tangible benefit to durability and styling. Whether you believe in an audio difference from cable alone is gonna be dependent on your bias to research it, same as human contentions about the earth's relation to the sun and solar system, evolution, and global warming.
Edited by Evshrug - 5/21/12 at 9:07pm
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To sum up, I haven't tested it, but I believe it's possible if someone says they can hear a difference. My Audio Technica AD700 cable is longer than any of my home theater speaker wires, for what that's worth, and I like the option of a long cable for headphones in general.
Edited by Evshrug - 5/21/12 at 9:04pm
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Here's a very interesting article regarding a lot of audiophile voodoo. This is written from the viewpoint of a somewhat cynical objectivist, so if you still say "but there's a notable difference!" then more power to you. I believe in investing a little bit into cables just for the sake of durability and the better materials used, but I don't think a cable should ever cost the same or more than the gear that it's attached to.

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Here's a very interesting article regarding a lot of audiophile voodoo. This is written from the viewpoint of a somewhat cynical objectivist, so if you still say "but there's a notable difference!" then more power to you. I believe in investing a little bit into cables just for the sake of durability and the better materials used, but I don't think a cable should ever cost the same or more than the gear that it's attached to.

Interesting, just skimmed through it, and I agree, but this is hardly the place for the cable debate, even if it is about V-moda cables.

 

Even if a silver plated-copper cable will have more highs (which IMHO is possibly the only difference, due to skinning effect) V-moda scales down the treble on purpose, for your safety. so boom.

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Does any of this change your mind, or did I even explain my reasoning clearly for easy understanding? I dunno. But at least with the V-MODA headphones, we have the option of interchanging cables, which at the least is a tangible benefit to durability and styling. Whether you believe in an audio difference from cable alone is gonna be dependent on your bias to research it, same as human contentions about the earth's relation to the sun and solar system, evolution, and global warming.

Wait, you mean geocentrists are still a thing?

post #1479 of 20874
DaBomb,
In the whole wide world? The point was that people at one time didn't want to know. The same bias can be said to exist in audiophiles, and that diminishing returns still make a critical difference... Except that it's a very subjective thing to choose your own "sweet spot." Like I said, I personally haven't delved into cabling and headphone mods, but it is worth it to some.
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Humor me for just a minute, please.  If it were an issue of reduced sensitivity overall, I could buy into the gauge of the cable having some bearing here (smaller gauge having slightly greater resistance, even at these short distances).  But, when we are discussing a high frequency rolloff, that's inductance.  If we were talking a low freq rolloff, then it would be capacitance.  For this length of cable (and low gauge of wire), I would expect the minute amount of inductance to cause a rolloff well outside the range of human hearing.

 

The only way I could see there being any appreciable difference in inductance would be if one of them were a coaxial and the other were wires running parallel to each other, and even that seems iffy off the top of my head at these cable lengths.

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Just wanted to bring this well said bit of reasoning/seasoning back to the current part of the thread for new joiners to the Convo ^___^

Hey thanks for bringing me back to the Convo :) I have pretty much stopped participating (but I still read all the posts) because I think I have said everything I want to about the M-100s, and now I'm just waiting for the release. I also like to pick up any tidbits from Val. Rock on, everyone.

post #1482 of 20874
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Originally Posted by lilkoolaidman View Post

... I believe in investing a little bit into cables just for the sake of durability and the better materials used, but I don't think a cable should ever cost the same or more than the gear that it's attached to.

I agree, I saw someone on here who attached a silver cable (dragon something?) to his Koss PortaPros, which had me scratching my head. Sound quality must not've been his main goal, as he could've spent that money in other ways for greater gains...

I have a wonder though, will the M-100 cable be sold separately for M-80 and LP owners?
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Originally Posted by djsquared View Post

Hey thanks for bringing me back to the Convo smily_headphones1.gif I have pretty much stopped participating (but I still read all the posts) because I think I have said everything I want to about the M-100s, and now I'm just waiting for the release. I also like to pick up any tidbits from Val. Rock on, everyone.

Lol glad to have you! Shame, I kinda came at the last phase of the teasing (folding earcups), so I guess I don't really have anything substantial to say at this point either... chatting about it does something for me, but I think with speculation over, the Convo is on the edge of derailing. Maybe some of us don't like to repeat earlier parts of the thread, but at least it's something to talk about on-topic. Until we get to write reviews smily_headphones1.gif

Last thing I'm gonna say about cables so ppl don't think I'm ignoring them: I'm not an expert, so... *shrug*
Edited by Evshrug - 5/22/12 at 8:45am
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Yeah, the convo is definitely drifting... But, unless Val comes in to give us new info (or the headphones get released), the thread can only die, become redundant, or drift off the main topic ...

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I think it's only fair that once the M-100 starts shipping we start a new thread where real reviews by various users can be posted. It's not surprising this thread has started to slow down. You can only post so many entries involving OMG I'm buying the M-100 the first day it comes out.

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