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post #136 of 20993

While SQ without amp is very important, here's also a reminder of something that really gets people to Head-Fi... Value! Some of the most participated threads are none other than anything related to great cost effective solutions. Fiio e17 for example sold out its first batch within days... And they own their renown to value. This is quite asking for a lot, but I think what impresses the most not only on Head-Fi but everywhere else too is if for the price one can buy something hard to compare with anything in the price range, there's a win there. I guess that throws the dependance on amp out the window among others. 

 

As for portability, I also believe it to be crucial... If you got a good looking pair of cans it would suck if they had to stay at home all the time!

 

Meanwhile I also never saw VMODAs in stores locally, ever.

post #137 of 20993
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Originally Posted by kalbee View Post

Meanwhile I also never saw VMODAs in stores locally, ever.



Well, if you travel to the states, every Apple Store will have some V-Moda product (at least one) :p  I know Best Buys here used to have them too... 

post #138 of 20993
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Originally Posted by kalbee View Post

While SQ without amp is very important, here's also a reminder of something that really gets people to Head-Fi... Value! 

 

Meanwhile I also never saw VMODAs in stores locally, ever.


 

Well, call me dyxslexic but we are trying to make a headphone VAL-U LITERALLY by U+VAL, in that order!!!

 

We are in many stores worldwide and were ranked #5 high-end headphone brand in USA by sales volume (>$40) and #11 overall.  But, we're becoming much pickier and watching this whole retail revolution unfold before our eyes.  Every move we make has quite a bit of calculation...  

 

Amazon, Microsoft Store, Guitar Center and Radio Shack  are our current USA sales channels, in each country we have a unique tailored strategy moving forward.

 

-v

 

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GREAT POSTS YA'LL!  Keep em coming, I am making a lot of final decisions in the last days til I LOCK!  My brain is scanning and reminiscing over every post, song, and preference I have encountered in many years to put this into a pseudo "people's choice" open-source headphone. 

 

Regarding 260g vs 230g - the issue isn't the OVERALL weight, its what we call the maximum Grams of Force at each point around the head, ear and skull.  If our LP2 is perfectly ergonomic and form-fitting on many heads (as we feel it is compared to the vast majority), it'll feel like less weight than a headphone weighing much less.  For instance, MANY headphones put WAY too much force on the top of the ear and for me it's too painful for more than 2 minutes.  If any one part of the headphone has too much force, it triumphs more than the overall weight.  This is why the Crossfade LP/LP2 reviews say it is so light.  It is fairly light for its materials and compared to its peers, but its "felt" weight is much more evenly distributed and what I strive for... a "BESPOKE FIT".

 

-v 

 

Interesting. I can understand how evenly distributing weight has a certain importance when it comes to comfort. 

 

However, part of my concern when it comes to weight isn't just the weight itself. I'm concerned about weight in the sense of what it means in regard to the physical size of the phones. Of course, heavier phones generally are physically larger-which has an impact on portability. I'm afraid of huge phones because I don't want something massive on my head when I'm walking to class that will make people instantly stare at you (not in a good way). It happens when I do see people walking around with phones like DT 770s: people walking by looking at their cell phones suddenly look up with this wtf-are-you-transmitting-alien-signals look. Smaller phones like supra aurals work perfectly in public because they aren't so physically large that they look funny and attract unwanted attention. And when people do look, if its a more stylish headphone, they give the hey-those-look-nice-ok-back-to-texting look. Now I know that greater weight doesn't necessarily mean greater physical size, such as if it simply comes down to the type of materials used being heavier. But with great weight I fear the sort of massive headband+massive cups combination that pushes headphones that may be attractive in design into an unattractive state. To use a car analogy, it's that sort of odd sports car that is attractive but not, because design-wise it's beautiful, but it's simply too large to be viewed as attractive. The sort of sports car that lacks the basic svelte footprint.

 

In that sense, I'm willing to compromise a bit on weight as long as the overall footprint is discreet as possible. I'll never buy gigantors because I don't want to walk around looking like a ****** attention whore. Odd, I know, but I can't think of a better way to relay what goes through my mind. Hopefully my input can help, and I'm interested to see what other people are looking for.
 

 


Edited by UCLA 15 - 2/3/12 at 12:48am
post #140 of 20993
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does do the trick to increase benefits -->pass-by bassheads-->,not so much in the head-fi community,im pretty sure around here there are more people wanting flat response (maybe a tiny accentuation on the low spectrum) than people hearing trance,dubstep,disco all the time.
but obviously the market is bigger than our internet I.P. meeting point.

Actually there are a lot of bassheads and fans of electronic music on HeadFi; you don't get to discriminate, we are every bit as much "audiophiles" as you, even if we don't like the same sound that is traditionally dubbed "audiophile" (a la Shure, Sennheiser, Grado, etc)
post #141 of 20993

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Originally Posted by valkolton View Post

GREAT POSTS YA'LL!  Keep em coming, I am making a lot of final decisions in the last days til I LOCK!  My brain is scanning and reminiscing over every post, song, and preference I have encountered in many years to put this into a pseudo "people's choice" open-source headphone. 

 

Regarding 260g vs 230g - the issue isn't the OVERALL weight, its what we call the maximum Grams of Force at each point around the head, ear and skull.  If our LP2 is perfectly ergonomic and form-fitting on many heads (as we feel it is compared to the vast majority), it'll feel like less weight than a headphone weighing much less.  For instance, MANY headphones put WAY too much force on the top of the ear and for me it's too painful for more than 2 minutes.  If any one part of the headphone has too much force, it triumphs more than the overall weight.  This is why the Crossfade LP/LP2 reviews say it is so light.  It is fairly light for its materials and compared to its peers, but its "felt" weight is much more evenly distributed and what I strive for... a "BESPOKE FIT".

 

-v 


ah, this explains what was bugging me all this time! The M80s had a really nice feel of "weight" to them, but once I put them on my head, it was as if they were gone! They really feel light on the head, yet have a "weight" feel to them to assure you these can take a beating^^

 

post #142 of 20993
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I hope they sound WAY better. The D1100 has very recessed mids for me, the highs don't sparkle, and I just don't feel the music because the singer is so far away from me. The bass isn't realistic either. The D1100 is great for some genres but definitely not all. I really hope the M-100 is way more balanced, versatile, has better quality bass (with great extension), and has a more natural timbre and feel to the music.



^^^I totally agree with this quote above; even though I don't have personal experience with D1100, the sound qualities he mentioned are paramount for me^^^. The reason I love my M-80s so much is because I feel like the singer or lead instrument soloist (Sonny Rollins-sax player, Yo-Yo Ma-cello, Phillip Glass-piano) is right next to me. Heck, sometimes I even wish the vocals were a little more forward on the M-80. I definitely hope for the M-100 that the mids and highs stay as (how does Val put it?) vivacious, vibrant, and vivid as on the M-/V-80. I also feel like the bass is great on the M-80, and would only hope that in a the circumaural M-100 bass stays as focused and tight but may extend to greater depths with the larger driver. I really can't see going to another headphone company for portable/iDevice-compatible gear, because of the great accessories, warranty, and durability. 

 

post #143 of 20993

Would be cool to get a FR response curve looking like this (purple line) but yea I guess if it looked like that it would cost even more than $300 :P

 

m80_sound_curve_wbg3.jpg

But yea compared to M80 I'd hope the lower midrange was a bit more forward so it would be more balanced in the midrange (a bit too big difference between 600~700Hz and 1.5kHz in M80) as well as just slightly more bass.

post #144 of 20993

Yeah that FR graph is really impressive if it's accurate...personally I'd like to see flatter bass; IMO bass sounds flabby and not punchy enough when there is a marked subbass>midbass bias.

post #145 of 20993
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Yeah that FR graph is really impressive if it's accurate...personally I'd like to see flatter bass; IMO bass sounds flabby and not punchy enough when there is a marked subbass>midbass bias.


The purple line I draw myself as of what's my "personal" balanced sounding curve.

 

post #146 of 20993

I like it. Let me know if you find it bigsmile_face.gif
 

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The purple line I draw myself as of what's my "personal" balanced sounding curve.

 



 

post #147 of 20993
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Originally Posted by Gilly87 View Post

Yeah that FR graph is really impressive if it's accurate...personally I'd like to see flatter bass; IMO bass sounds flabby and not punchy enough when there is a marked subbass>midbass bias.



bass tightens up the more rounded the bass part of the graph is though. 

post #148 of 20993

Val would you say the m-100s could compete with the hd600s? If so then I'm dropping the hd600 idea and going v-moda yet again

post #149 of 20993

sorry Gilly,did not wanted to mean to discriminate,im am a basshead a lot of time too...

post #150 of 20993
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Originally Posted by Jzbass25 View Post

Val would you say the m-100s could compete with the hd600s? If so then I'm dropping the hd600 idea and going v-moda yet again



I don't have a HD600 to compare it to, I'll get one though if you want - the more the merrier.  I do have a HD598 on my desk right now.  The M-100 is semi-closed as all of our models thus far.  I appreciate open-back's qualities, but I just love the isolation, immersion, "vivid" mids and staging psychoacoustics of semi-closed.

 

-v

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