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1/26/13 at 10:53am
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what is the best amp for the m100's? All I have is a crapy E11 lol


E12 comes out in the US next week through Micca.

Likewise the JDS Labs c5 will be available to pre-order within the next 2 weeks or so. It'll be a full-on upgrade from their older c241 portable amplifier which has had favourable reviews when compared side-by-side with the O2.
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1/26/13 at 11:01am
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Just a little FYI for those who want the PHA-1 but don't want to spend ~$460. 

 

amazon.co.jp offers a rediculous amount of Japanese made electronics at much lower cost than North America, and a lot more stuff than most would imagine.

 

But for all intents and purposes, the PHA-1 is $376 CAD (34,000 JPY) and Tenso forwarding service will allow you to get stuff ordered from Amazon Japan shipped to wherever you are. So you can save a whole bunch of money buying Japanese made products this way.

I am going to start researching this right now. Could you PM me any experiences about this. I would jump on the PHA-1 at $376.

 

Update:

Just checked Amazon US and the unit is already down to $449. By the time I ad shipping and Tenso fees, it would be too close to worry about. I am going to wait this one out though. I would bet we see some really good deals on Amazon soon.


Edited by awtryau89 - 1/26/13 at 11:08am
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1/26/13 at 11:06am
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But the thing is the same thing happens when I pair it with my cmoy amp


How loud are you putting the bass?

 

Thing is, if you are EQing the bass up on your phone, and outputting using an AMP with no DAC, the phone output still matters (you would need an external EQ for this to work anyway), so if you are outputting an already bad signal, you will get rubbish out.

 

An amp offers the best quality when given a clean sound. So, I'd advise to lower the EQ down on the phone, and set the phone to about 60%-70% volume, and no higher to get the cleanest signal possible to the amp, and get an amp especially for bass boost if that is what you want, like the ZO2 people are talking about on here instead of the cmoy, or pair it with both...

 

EQ on media players like phones work by software only most of the time. When the music is being decoded, it adds an extra EQ layer on top of the signal it already has, boosting a signal not capable of being boosted cleanly, and sends it out to the headphone jack from what I know.

 

I find EQ sounds terrible on my S3 with every piece of software I've tried, and certainly couldn't be boosted +6 or whatever on the bass frequences without sounding crap.

 

EQing down doesn't damage the sound as you aren't trying to add something that isn't there in the signal.

You need a proper hardware based EQ.

 

So don't be worried about that. Your phone's EQ settings just cannot do it justice. Even at low volumes, it is still boosting low frequencies that the software can not manage, so the Cmoy amp is just amping up the bad signal being given to it.

It won't correct a distorted signal.


Edited by musical-kage - 1/26/13 at 11:14am
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1/26/13 at 12:37pm
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E12 comes out in the US next week through Micca.

 

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Likewise the JDS Labs c5 will be available to pre-order within the next 2 weeks or so. It'll be a full-on upgrade from their older c241 portable amplifier which has had favourable reviews when compared side-by-side with the O2.

I'm looking forward to comparisons between the C5 and the E12 with the M-100! 

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1/26/13 at 12:46pm
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I'm looking forward to comparisons between the C5 and the E12 with the M-100! 


Based on history, you probably can't go wrong with either.  We just don't know pricing on the C5.

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1/26/13 at 12:56pm
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How loud are you putting the bass?

Thing is, if you are EQing the bass up on your phone, and outputting using an AMP with no DAC, the phone output still matters (you would need an external EQ for this to work anyway), so if you are outputting an already bad signal, you will get rubbish out.

An amp offers the best quality when given a clean sound. So, I'd advise to lower the EQ down on the phone, and set the phone to about 60%-70% volume, and no higher to get the cleanest signal possible to the amp, and get an amp especially for bass boost if that is what you want, like the ZO2 people are talking about on here instead of the cmoy, or pair it with both...

EQ on media players like phones work by software only most of the time. When the music is being decoded, it adds an extra EQ layer on top of the signal it already has, boosting a signal not capable of being boosted cleanly, and sends it out to the headphone jack from what I know.

I find EQ sounds terrible on my S3 with every piece of software I've tried, and certainly couldn't be boosted +6 or whatever on the bass frequences without sounding crap.

EQing down doesn't damage the sound as you aren't trying to add something that isn't there in the signal.
You need a proper hardware based EQ.

So don't be worried about that. Your phone's EQ settings just cannot do it justice. Even at low volumes, it is still boosting low frequencies that the software can not manage, so the Cmoy amp is just amping up the bad signal being given to it.
It won't correct a distorted signal.
What do you suggest I get to get the best possible bass or of these lp my budget is 150$
Edited by Carlos4996 - 2/2/13 at 10:32am
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post #11857 of 14611
1/26/13 at 1:19pm

http://www.amazon.com/Digizoid-ZO-2-Personal-Subwoofer/dp/B00747N5ZE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1359234933&sr=8-1&keywords=Z02+amp

 

You can get the Z02 for around 75 pounds Stirling. 

From what I have heard from these forums, that is the best amp for adding bass, and if you look on YouTube,

You will find a review by Leon on the M-100s paired with the amp. 

 

From Amazon, the Z02 is

99.95 dollars

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post #11858 of 14611
1/26/13 at 1:53pm
Will that give me good even turn my phone?
Edited by Carlos4996 - 1/26/13 at 1:57pm
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1/26/13 at 2:02pm
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Will that give me good even turn my phone?


What phone do you have? Some phones simply do not have the best DAC's in them.

If its an iPhone, you will be fine as an example.

 

I think it would improve matters either way as long as at 60% volume with no EQing, the phone sounds good plugged into the M-100's

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1/26/13 at 2:18pm
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What phone do you have? Some phones simply do not have the best DAC's in them.
If its an iPhone, you will be fine as an example.

I think it would improve matters either way as long as at 60% volume with no EQing, the phone sounds good plugged into the M-100's
I have an HTC evo 3D
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1/26/13 at 2:33pm
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I have an HTC evo 3D


Does it sound good with no EQ, at around 60% volume? i.e a clean sound?

 

If you are prepared to root it, and flash it with a different ROM, you can get quite good sound out of it apparently.

 

If it does, then an external amp will help a lot


Edited by musical-kage - 1/26/13 at 2:34pm
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1/26/13 at 2:47pm
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http://www.amazon.com/Digizoid-ZO-2-Personal-Subwoofer/dp/B00747N5ZE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1359234933&sr=8-1&keywords=Z02+amp

 

You can get the Z02 for around 75 pounds Stirling. 

From what I have heard from these forums, that is the best amp for adding bass, and if you look on YouTube,

You will find a review by Leon on the M-100s paired with the amp. 

 

From Amazon, the Z02 is

99.95 dollars

got the link for that video? wink.gif

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post #11863 of 14611
1/26/13 at 2:59pm
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Does it sound good with no EQ, at around 60% volume? i.e a clean sound?

If you are prepared to root it, and flash it with a different ROM, you can get quite good sound out of it apparently.

If it does, then an external amp will help a lot
Well without an equalizer it sounds clean and I compared the sound to a 4th generation iPod, and my phone sounds good if not better than the iPod with eq, everything sounds balanced and the bass still has a bit if punch to it
Edited by Carlos4996 - 1/26/13 at 3:32pm
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post #11864 of 14611
1/26/13 at 3:01pm
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got the link for that video? wink.gif


Indeed:

 

http://youtu.be/W8sjiWc9KuU?t=23m23s

 

He mentioned about the Z02 where I've linked from

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1/26/13 at 3:09pm
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I'm looking forward to comparisons between the C5 and the E12 with the M-100! 


Based on history, you probably can't go wrong with either.  We just don't know pricing on the C5.

What is the pricing for the E12? I have a slight lean towards the C5 based on the company's previous products (not to say FiiO makes bad products; I love the E7 for what is is), adoption of objectivity, and super fast and personal customer support, but I like the E12's analog volume control over the C5's digital lever. But yeah I think both amps will be good.

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