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post #121 of 169
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One should avoid "Audio Classics, Ltd.", they suck bollocks.

 

Also, I wouldn't want to throw the headphone portion away.  You don't go buying such a nice headphone just to get its plug and throw the rest away.  atsmile.gif

 

 

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post #122 of 169
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Big 70ies hardrock fan myself.  :)

 

The TEAC won't be a big upgrade I think, only difference is that on USB it's async and has 192/24.

 

Still, I would go for the amp first and a nice dac later. 1000$ ones should perform well enough.

 

Some recommendations, or disrecommendations.

 

Phonitor: nice amp but known not to be silent with AT's, good for the other cans though, I had one but it didn't beat my Luxman.

 

Sugden Headmaster: auditioned that one for an afternoon with HD800, W5000 and Grado

PS1000/GS1000i and found nothing special about the amp, certainly not at that price.

 

PS Audio GCHA: owned it, enough power but dull sound with not much soundstage

 

Beta 22: never heard one but known to be a fabulous amp. It's powerfull so you would need to check with someone who has the amp and see if it's hum-free with ATs. There are many variations though and it's DIY. There are some vendors that do the DIY for you.

 

Luxman P-1u: one of the best commercial SS amps available as I was informed before I bought it. Have to agree after having owned it for two years but now it's for sale since I am going tube-amps only. (Zana and HP4) and will add a vintage receiver to my setup, for speakers mainly.

 

Headamp GSX: as far as I have been informed in the same class as the P-1u and Beta. Never heard it though.

 

Hope this helps you a bit further in your search. My advice: if you can afford it go for the top items only like you did with your 2A3. Then buy some cans from time to time and sell some off since those will make the most difference regarding the sound. Also, you will be sure they are amped as good as possible then.


Thanks for your suggestions. I really wish I could afford a Beta 22 now...

 

I feel I need a superior DAC anyway (HDP is ok, but how good your sound can get with a DC wall-wart powered dac?) , and I so will run out of $$$ to buy any of these amps... I guess I'll better stick to 2A3 for now... unless I leave some can out of my shopping list, but I want them so badly rolleyes.gif...  there's also Grado Rs1i which is supposed to sound marvelous with 70's rock, ain't it? ...  I'll think about it! confused_face_2.gif

post #123 of 169

BTW I'm a former electronics technician... I had formal education on the subject (a 2 years course) and had a job repairing industrial equipment for some years too... Every now and then since I became addicted on headphones I think of DIY... but it's been 20 years since I don't pick up a soldering iron, so... a Beta 22 would be a big challenge! biggrin.gif

post #124 of 169
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You can use a different cable if you want, you can reuse the stock plug.  Whatever you want.

I would offer to do it for you, but you are too far away.  Perhaps a DIY'er here might be willing to help you out if you post an ad requesting retermination of your headphone in the For Sale forum.  Make sure he has plenty of feedback and is in the UK as well, lol.

Thank you for you replay, but i don,'t know where i can find somebody to help me here in London, with the DIY cable.I am willing to pay or offer few beers.beerchug.gif

post #125 of 169
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Thanks for your suggestions. I really wish I could afford a Beta 22 now...

 

I feel I need a superior DAC anyway (HDP is ok, but how good your sound can get with a DC wall-wart powered dac?) , and I so will run out of $$$ to buy any of these amps... I guess I'll better stick to 2A3 for now... unless I leave some can out of my shopping list, but I want them so badly rolleyes.gif...  there's also Grado Rs1i which is supposed to sound marvelous with 70's rock, ain't it? ...  I'll think about it! confused_face_2.gif

The TEAC doesn't use a wall wart.

 

Affordable linear power supply for your dac to replace the wall-wart on your Dac: http://www.squeeze-upgrade.com/bladelius-lineaire-voeding-voor-bladelius-p-1661.html

 

"Rather" affordable Dac that is USB power and 192/24 async: homepage and discussion thread.

One I might try out as well for my upcoming vintage amp.

 

And I know the feeling, I still want 2 amps, 2 dacs, 2 pairs of speakers and 1 pair of cans and an extra bike.

 

Gonna buy me a lottery ticket tomorrow.   biggrin.gif

post #126 of 169

I'm still inclined for W4S dac 2... but thanks! smile.gif

 

Now you made me remember I still gotta buy a balanced cable for HD800 since 2A3 has balanced outputs too. Gotta try them out!!!!

 

(No SS amp anymore, probably no AT headphone either. frown.gif)

post #127 of 169

Okay I guess this would be the correct thread to post my question in. Please bear with me, it is rather verbose. But to be honest the headphones I seem to like are ATs so here comes my dilemma.

 

So I have been seriously considering the ATH-3000ANV, but considering their price it is not something that I should undertake lightly, especially since I really do not like buying and selling headphones constantly. Not particularly productive. 

 

Now I do not know how these sound, which is the biggest problem. I have been a fan of audio technica for quite some time, but comparing these to what I have currently is like comparing apples with oranges, and in all honesty.

 

So I suppose the most important question would be how do these sound on a general overview - regarding the sound stage. How do the vocals, treble, mids and bass sound, and more importantly how does it feature the various genres of music.

 

Though the genres I listen to vary greatly, from most frequent to least frequent I would state

1) Techno/ Electronica/pop - (The best example would be F777 or some of the more poppy Vocaloid songs. Generally fast paced music, but not consisting of only bass. I prefer a rather varied arrangement in most of the tracks I listen to.

 

2) Jpop/kpop  - I separated this from the last section since I am attempting to describe less fast paced pop. Still fairly quick but falling down to a slower beat count than 130-192 bpm.

 

3) Symphonic metal/operatic/classical - I suppose the best example regarding this genre would the Finnish metal band Nightwish. I generally prefer a female singer (since they flow better with the instrumental with a few exception, (notable exception IMO would be Tony Kakko from Sonata Arctica)

 

4) Classical Rock n Roll - Beatles, Eric Clapton,  The Who, The Eagles , Kiss, QUEEN, X JAPAN (yes I consider them classic rock IMO)

 


Now the second most important aspect that I need to find out is comfort. This is exceptionally important for me since I have times when I got a set of headphones that sounded amazing but were too uncomfortable for me to use for periods longer than an hour. An example of this would be the acclaimed ATH-ESW10JPN. I had that for a while but it was not comfortable for me because it was a little too small for my ears and kept pressing them uncomfortably, so that I to stop using them after a maximum of 1.5 hours, usually less though. Ironically the ATH-ES10 fit fine without any issues, guess the slightly larger drivers makes a difference.

 

Now this may seem like a silly question but on the risk of being foolish - does it absolutely need an amp to function or can it be driven without one? (I know most headphones need an amp to truly shine, but sometimes on long plane rides having a full rig is difficult/impractical). On the other hand, riding for 10 hours listening to airplane announcements, screaming children and the mundane conversations of other passengers makes me almost believe that Nietzsche was correct. 

 

I apologize for bombarding everyone with information but this gives a pretty good overview of what I am looking for, as well as the genres I listen to. As we all know some headphones are better with particular genres better than others, and I thought it would be a help to people attempting to answer my questions. And I apologize for being so verbose,

 

Thank you for everyone in advance,

post #128 of 169

Take this as a user recommendation, I have some basic knowledge on the topic but I am no expert by any means (so dont expect some high-level audio terminology).

 

Personally speaking, I love these cans for most of my music. Only classical music doesnt sound as good as I would like it to sound on these cans. It's still excellent, but not perfect.

On the other hand, I listen to metal and rock a lot as well. From metal, my all time favorites are Iron Maiden and Nightwish (Transsiberian Orchestra as well, but thats like "christmas" metal/rock :P ), and with these cans they sound simply amazing. Tarjas voice is exceptionally pleasant to listen to, Bruces voice sound just like on live concert (and I have been to one IM concert some time ago). Amount of bass is just right, maybe a bit less boomy with remastered old IM albums, but always hits when its supposed to. And bass is better than on my W1000X, its somewhat tighter with better impact, not mushy.

When it comes to rock and pop, I listen to Queen from time to time and it sounds nice, but I am more into classical/symphonical metal. I dont listen to j-/kpop at all.

And the last you mentioned, techno. I am not techno fan per se, however I find myself enjoying specific type of techno. This style is represented by likes of Vanessa Mae and Escala, "violin" techno. And it's a joy to listen to it with W3000ANV.

 

The comfort question is a bit tricky tho, everyones head is different thus the feeling of comfort will vary from one to another. I have rather small head and headphones are a bit loose (I like these cans too much to play with headband, I dont want to damage it by bending). In normal working position (straight sitting), it gets tireing to wear relatively fast. However when I move into relax position, it gets much better. There might be some people who don't like leather cushions, mostly because they sweat too much with them, so this is something you should take into consideration as well. I would recommend you to try some AT woodie to judge comfort for yourself, all of them are built in very similar fashion, maybe varying slightly in size (my W1000X are tiny bit smaller than W3000ANV) but you should get the general idea anyway.

 

And the last, these cans don't necessarily need an amp. They are low impedance headphones and it isnt hard to drive them. However they are kind of picky when it comes to source. Since they are very sensitive, they require very silent amps with virtually no background noise. So even if they don't need much to drive them well in general, they still need well built amp (todays trend is to build amps with extreme output power to drive LCD2 and such, and that can cause noticeable noise with sensitive+low impedance headphones, which I find extremelly annoying).

 

This is my impression of my W3000ANV in regard to your question, hope that helped (and sorry for my poor english).

post #129 of 169
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Originally Posted by filuS View Post

Take this as a user recommendation, I have some basic knowledge on the topic but I am no expert by any means (so dont expect some high-level audio terminology).

 

Personally speaking, I love these cans for most of my music. Only classical music doesnt sound as good as I would like it to sound on these cans. It's still excellent, but not perfect.

On the other hand, I listen to metal and rock a lot as well. From metal, my all time favorites are Iron Maiden and Nightwish (Transsiberian Orchestra as well, but thats like "christmas" metal/rock :P ), and with these cans they sound simply amazing. Tarjas voice is exceptionally pleasant to listen to, Bruces voice sound just like on live concert (and I have been to one IM concert some time ago). Amount of bass is just right, maybe a bit less boomy with remastered old IM albums, but always hits when its supposed to. And bass is better than on my W1000X, its somewhat tighter with better impact, not mushy.

When it comes to rock and pop, I listen to Queen from time to time and it sounds nice, but I am more into classical/symphonical metal. I dont listen to j-/kpop at all.

And the last you mentioned, techno. I am not techno fan per se, however I find myself enjoying specific type of techno. This style is represented by likes of Vanessa Mae and Escala, "violin" techno. And it's a joy to listen to it with W3000ANV.

 

The comfort question is a bit tricky tho, everyones head is different thus the feeling of comfort will vary from one to another. I have rather small head and headphones are a bit loose (I like these cans too much to play with headband, I dont want to damage it by bending). In normal working position (straight sitting), it gets tireing to wear relatively fast. However when I move into relax position, it gets much better. There might be some people who don't like leather cushions, mostly because they sweat too much with them, so this is something you should take into consideration as well. I would recommend you to try some AT woodie to judge comfort for yourself, all of them are built in very similar fashion, maybe varying slightly in size (my W1000X are tiny bit smaller than W3000ANV) but you should get the general idea anyway.

 

And the last, these cans don't necessarily need an amp. They are low impedance headphones and it isnt hard to drive them. However they are kind of picky when it comes to source. Since they are very sensitive, they require very silent amps with virtually no background noise. So even if they don't need much to drive them well in general, they still need well built amp (todays trend is to build amps with extreme output power to drive LCD2 and such, and that can cause noticeable noise with sensitive+low impedance headphones, which I find extremelly annoying).

 

This is my impression of my W3000ANV in regard to your question, hope that helped (and sorry for my poor english).


That's good to know. I am not a huge listener of classical but I listen to it from time to time. About half the time I listen to techno and jpop and the rest of the time to metal. The amp isn't a huge issue yet, and not a super large priority. I will probably get a AT amp for compatibility, probably the H5000, but that will be for much later.

 

So for comfort I suppose I should clarify. I do not have a small head, for instance if we go by hat size, I am a medium to medium large. The 42mm drivers of the ATH-ESW10jpn were too small for me (and the reason I got rid of them was comfort, I would not listen to them for over and hour without my ears hurting from being pressed down.) I do not have this issue with the ath-es10 and its larger drivers. (afterall larger driver = larger headphones usually)

 

 

I would be very grateful if someone could give a listen to some techno or jpop for review on these. I try to find some good examples and post them in a little bit.

post #130 of 169
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Of the genres you mention I find the W3000 does best with your 4th category being Rock.

For your 3rd category: I listened to Nightwish briefly a few weeks ago and that wasn't bad either.

Your 2nd category I don't listen to.

Your 1st category I wouldn't recommend the W3000 for.

 

That said, I enjoy them best with female vocals, light jazz (with vocal, not the abstract stuff), all kinds of rock except the harder varieties (like 70ies and 80ies hardrock and the less aggressive metal), pop.

For the harder rock varieties I prefer the L3000. But I have heard people state the opposite iin the W3000ANV thread.

For anything instrumental like classical, orchestral, new age etc.... I prefer the D7000.

 

For comfort I would again suggest you read a bit through the W3000ANV thread. I'm a tall guy with a thin head though I have hat-size large (60 for motorcycle helmet but I don't know if these measurements are the same in the US) and I don't have nay problem comfortwise with any of the full-size ATs. MuppetFace is a diminutive female as she calls herself and she has no problems either. Many people find them too loose but it doesn't really seem related to a big, small, thin or thick head.

 

It doesn't need an amp and will sound great without. It will improve with a quality amp though but not as much as Sennheisers for example improve.

Just like filuS said, don't go for the high-power amps, go for quality instead. From my experience the AT amps are a good choice, so is a Luxman, Yamamoto or Zana.

The SPL amps have been said to be noisy with them although I didn't try that myself since I didn't have my Phonitor anymore when I got the W3000. The W4S Mint was noisy as well. The phones out on the Eximus, Marantz and Teac Dacs I have/had are no problem.

post #131 of 169
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Originally Posted by AppleheadMay View Post

Of the genres you mention I find the W3000 does best with your 4th category being Rock.

For your 3rd category: I listened to Nightwish briefly a few weeks ago and that wasn't bad either.

Your 2nd category I don't listen to.

Your 1st category I wouldn't recommend the W3000 for.

 

That said, I enjoy them best with female vocals, light jazz (with vocal, not the abstract stuff), all kinds of rock except the harder varieties (like 70ies and 80ies hardrock and the less aggressive metal), pop.

For the harder rock varieties I prefer the L3000. But I have heard people state the opposite iin the W3000ANV thread.

For anything instrumental like classical, orchestral, new age etc.... I prefer the D7000.

 

For comfort I would again suggest you read a bit through the W3000ANV thread. I'm a tall guy with a thin head though I have hat-size large (60 for motorcycle helmet but I don't know if these measurements are the same in the US) and I don't have nay problem comfortwise with any of the full-size ATs. MuppetFace is a diminutive female as she calls herself and she has no problems either. Many people find them too loose but it doesn't really seem related to a big, small, thin or thick head.

 

It doesn't need an amp and will sound great without. It will improve with a quality amp though but not as much as Sennheisers for example improve.

Just like filuS said, don't go for the high-power amps, go for quality instead. From my experience the AT amps are a good choice, so is a Luxman, Yamamoto or Zana.

The SPL amps have been said to be noisy with them although I didn't try that myself since I didn't have my Phonitor anymore when I got the W3000. The W4S Mint was noisy as well. The phones out on the Eximus, Marantz and Teac Dacs I have/had are no problem.

 

Any reason why you would not recommend the first genre for it?

post #132 of 169
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Well, I'm not particularly a fan of the genre though I was when I was younger.

I think the W3000 hasn't got the bass extension for Techno and I find it shrill in the highs with that genre.

I have tried it with some stuff from David Guetta, Hed Kandi and some oldschool House.

post #133 of 169
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Originally Posted by AppleheadMay View Post

Well, I'm not particularly a fan of the genre though I was when I was younger.

I think the W3000 hasn't got the bass extension for Techno and I find it shrill in the highs with that genre.

I have tried it with some stuff from David Guetta, Hed Kandi and some oldschool House.


I would consider that a good thing. Most of the techno I listen is not super bassy, so if the bass was toned down a little that would be an improvement IMO.

post #134 of 169
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I'm not a basshead as well but for Techno I like a bit more extension. From the phones I still have the D7000 does best with that genre. You don't have the lovely mids of the W3000 then of course. But as I said, I don't listen much techno. Mostly rock of any variety, vocal and classical.

post #135 of 169

Have you heard the pro700 headphones. These are around 250$, are they better than M50?

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