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Someone at Taiwan (country on Earth) buy iBasso HDP-R10. (not me)

 

unbox post can see this (Trad, Chinese)

http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=180&t=2925434&p=1#38238974
 

The first diy moder of ibasso DX100 From Taiwan(country on Earth)

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Originally Posted by gameguytw View Post

Someone at Taiwan (country on Earth) buy iBasso HDP-R10. (not me)

 

unbox post can see this (Trad, Chinese)

http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=180&t=2925434&p=1#38238974
 

The first diy moder of ibasso DX100 From Taiwan(country on Earth)

 

Takoyaki has already posted up his HDP-R10 pix in the HDP-R10 thread :-

http://www.head-fi.org/t/607423/i-basso-hdp-r-10-is-ibasso-dx-100-japan-version-release-soon/45#post_8654280

 

In my brief play with the HDP-R10, I don't really find anything significantly different from the DX100 - not for the $300 price difference anyway. Maybe if I never owned the DX100, then I may have considered the HDP-R10 for the ease of charging, and local support. The OPA627 wasn't a day/night different from the DX100's unknown OpAmp.

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We might get it's GUI!

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Originally Posted by surfer1000 View Post

We might get it's GUI!

The GUI sure looks the same, I'm just wondering if it has the same EQ & file ordering quirks as the DX100...

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Originally Posted by AnakChan View Post

 

Takoyaki has already posted up his HDP-R10 pix in the HDP-R10 thread :-

http://www.head-fi.org/t/607423/i-basso-hdp-r-10-is-ibasso-dx-100-japan-version-release-soon/45#post_8654280

 

In my brief play with the HDP-R10, I don't really find anything significantly different from the DX100 - not for the $300 price difference anyway. Maybe if I never owned the DX100, then I may have considered the HDP-R10 for the ease of charging, and local support. The OPA627 wasn't a day/night different from the DX100's unknown OpAmp.

 

Did you have a good listening session on the R10?

post #7701 of 12887
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Originally Posted by spkrs01 View Post

 

This is exactly my point, when one has the Eq. closed and on flat, it is boosted!!! Backing vocals sounds as loud as the main vocalist, percussions are un-proportionate in size, soundstage is cramped, no sense of depth, instruments on top of each other not having it's on space........the list goes on!

 

Try this.......switch the Eq. ON. and on FLAT, you will notice that the volume decreases.

 

On this setting set every band to +6...volumes goes louder! Now switch the Eq. to off. No difference in sound at all!

 

This leads me to believe when the Eq. is off, it is in fact on the default Android boosted setting which is prevalent on all their devices.........If you want FLAT Eq. switch it on and leave it there. Plus do not hit the rest button as this will revert the player to boosted levels of the Eq. You will know when the setting is correct when it is playing at the lower volume level comparatively!

 

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Originally Posted by uelover View Post

 

This is what I was saying 2-3 weeks ago.

 

It is not boosted EQ as claimed by iBasso/Hiflight - EQ off is the true flat EQ, EQ on but set at 0 is a processed sound with decreased gain throughout all the bands.

 

Android default sound is the sound of iBasso player with EQ on and set at +6 across all bands. This was the factory default setting as well - when you updated the firmware for the first time and tried to use the EQ, everything starts from +6.

 

This means that whatever you do with the EQ, you are only cutting the bands, not boosting. This helps to prevent clipping for those who always try to boost their EQs across all the bands.

The reason why reducing the gains across all bands from +6 to 0 will sound different even if you try to compensate it back by increasing the volume is because of the imperfection of EQ.

 

I am like you though, preferring EQ on with everything set at 0 (-6 from the Android default sound) than to have EQ off (getting the Android default sound).

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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

I leave the EQ off as it sounds the best this way IMO and ibasso says this is their intended "Flat" EQ. Enabling the EQ activates the android based EQ and alters the sound. Now if you have issues with clipping then I'd say the Flat EQ based on android is good. Otherwise it takes things too far away and makes the DX100 not so intimate and boring.
 

 

I know this issue has been almost discussed to death but I'd really like to get to the bottom of the implementation of the EQ and what setting, if any, is the 'default' (for want of a better word) sound out of this device. I spent an eternity yesterday going through this amazing thread, but although there's a lot of great opinions expressed, I still don't think there's a definitive answer. All the descriptions above about the 'effect' of either having EQ closed (off) or open (on) seem correct on the basis of my listening. Which actually sounds the 'best' is clearly a mute point, dependent on a whole range of variables, and in a way it doesn't matter because you can fine tune it to something you're happy with, but I'd still like to have some kind of base point to start from. You'd think it would be EQ off, and that this would be the same as EQ on but everything set flat (to 0), but it clearly isn't. Repeating the views above: EQ off is the same or very very similar to EQ on and everything set to max (+6). In which case to my mind EQ on and everything set to zero would seem to be an arbitrary setting, unless that truly is the 'default'. Is there an definitive answer to this? Has ibasso given their view?

 

I'm using 1.1.7 and until recently I used the fully boosted EQ 'closed' setting in the belief that it must be ibasso's intended "Flat" setting. Eventually I've concluded that it's 'too much of a good thing' and becomes fatiguing with prolonged listening (some hardness in the mids and glare in the high frequences). By contrast, EQ on, everything set to 0 seems rather flat, dull and colourless, although there is more 'space' around everything. So I've ended up with a custom setting with everything boosted slightly a bit of additional boost at each extreme (though less at the high end)), and that seems pretty nice and musical, both straight out through my Westone 4Rs, or through the analogue line out > Violectric v200 > HD650s.

 

This leads me on to my second question. If I use the DX100 as a music server/transport to a separate DAC (say the v800 that I'm thinking of buying) what's coming out of the digital out? Is it the mythical 'Flat' setting (whatever that actually is) or do all the issues above still apply? The EQ processing is clearly being applied in the digital domain, so I'd like to know what others have found. Is the use of a stand alone DAC even worth it with this device?

 

I love all the technical advances of recent years but I sometimes wish things were simple like in the days of my old high end CD-based system, that had no tone adjustment at all. At least you knew for certain that what came out of the system was Meridian's/Naims/etc's take on what sounded best, and you just 'adjusted' it by your choice of partnering ancillaries and cables.


Edited by Painterspal - 9/4/12 at 2:51am
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The 1.1.7 firmware was the only one that didn't have to take account of the default Android boosted eq. For that reason leaving the eq. flat is in fact flat. And switching the eq. on dropped the signal by 6 db. and hence the hollowness to the sound that you have noticed.

 

This is especially noticeable when you line out to a desktop amp, the signal is too weak when you have the eq. on, on 1.1.7......

 

The quoted text from myself and uelover is about firmware 1.1.3 if I remember correctly! And Lee730's is about the 1.1.7 firmwareblink.gif.

 

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Originally Posted by Painterspal View Post

 

 

I know this issue has been almost discussed to death but I'd really like to get to the bottom of the implementation of the EQ and what setting, if any, is the 'default' (for want of a better word) sound out of this device. I spent an eternity yesterday going through this amazing thread, but although there's a lot of great opinions expressed, I still don't think there's a definitive answer. All the descriptions above about the 'effect' of either having EQ closed (off) or open (on) seem correct on the basis of my listening. Which actually sounds the 'best' is clearly a mute point, dependent on a whole range of variables, and in a way it doesn't matter because you can fine tune it to something you're happy with, but I'd still like to have some kind of base point to start from. You'd think it would be EQ off, and that this would be the same as EQ on but everything set flat (to 0), but it clearly isn't. Repeating the views above: EQ off is the same or very very similar to EQ on and everything set to max (+6). In which case to my mind EQ on and everything set to zero would seem to be an arbitrary setting, unless that truly is the 'default'. Is there an definitive answer to this? Has ibasso given their view?

 

I'm using 1.1.7 and until recently I used the fully boosted EQ 'closed' setting in the belief that it must be ibasso's intended "Flat" setting. Eventually I've concluded that it's 'too much of a good thing' and becomes fatiguing with prolonged listening (some hardness in the mids and glare in the high frequences). By contrast, EQ on, everything set to 0 seems rather flat, dull and colourless, although there is more 'space' around everything. So I've ended up with a custom setting with everything boosted slightly a bit of additional boost at each extreme (though less at the high end)), and that seems pretty nice and musical, both straight out through my Westone 4Rs, or through the analogue line out > Violectric v200 > HD650s.

 

This leads me on to my second question. If I use the DX100 as a music server/transport to a separate DAC (say the v800 that I'm thinking of buying) what's coming out of the digital out? Is it the mythical 'Flat' setting (whatever that actually is) or do all the issues above still apply? The EQ processing is clearly being applied in the digital domain, so I'd like to know what others have found. Is the use of a stand alone DAC even worth it?

 

I love all the technical advances of recent years but I sometimes wish things were simple like in the days of my old high end CD-based system, that had no tone adjustment at all. At least you knew for certain that what came out of the system was Meridian's/Naims/etc's take on what sounded best, and you just 'adjusted' it by your choice of partnering ancillaries and cables.


Edited by spkrs01 - 9/4/12 at 3:00am
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Originally Posted by turokrocks View Post


You might add this nice "how to....." to the dx100 wiki, it should be helpful...


Thanks Turok. I went ahead and posted it there. smile.gif

post #7704 of 12887
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Originally Posted by spkrs01 View Post

The 1.1.7 firmware was the only one that didn't have to take account of the default Android boosted eq. For that reason leaving the eq. flat is in fact flat. And switching the eq. on dropped the signal by 6 db. and hence the hollowness to the sound that you have noticed.

 

This is especially noticeable when you line out to a desktop amp, the signal is too weak when you have the eq. on, on 1.1.7......

 

The quoted text from myself and uelover is about firmware 1.1.3 if I remember correctly! And Lee730's is about the 1.1.7 firmwareblink.gif.

 


Thanks spkrs01, appreciate the clarification and my bad for not realising which version of the firmware you were discussing. With different firmware versions affecting the DX100's EQ in significant ways, seems like it's impossible to give a definitive answer that holds true across the board? It's no wonder I'm finding myself craving clarity; I'd like to stop listening to the player and concentrate on the music!

 

I know you have the Violectric v200/v800, how do you find the DX100 as a transport?

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Originally Posted by Painterspal View Post


Thanks spkrs01, appreciate the clarification and my bad for not realising which version of the firmware you were discussing. With different firmware versions affecting the DX100's EQ in significant ways, seems like it's impossible to give a definitive answer that holds true across the board? It's no wonder I'm finding myself craving clarity; I'd like to stop listening to the player and concentrate on the music!

 

I know you have the Violectric v200/v800, how do you find the DX100 as a transport?

 

Using optical.......it is very acceptable, I like it with iems, more than Headphones though. However, It is not as good as JRiver, Hiface2 sourcing the V800.

 

Most of the time I like to use the DX100 line out to the Triad L3/LLP or V200. 


Edited by spkrs01 - 9/4/12 at 7:08am
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Thread Starter 

I don't think I have enjoyed the blues as much as I have since getting the DX100. Everything is there. I have to add that I did modify with some Black Gate non polar caps, which are directly in the signal path but still. . Luther Allison, Pay it Forward, "Dock of the Bay", is full of energy, dimension and transparency. Great fun. 

 

Why is this so good today? Great drive and dynamics and presence. 


Edited by jamato8 - 9/5/12 at 2:55pm
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Maybe I am the last to revert back to 1.17 but I am so glad that I have now.  The difference is not small.  The enjoyment has come back....I had gotten away from the DX100 because of this.  I  no longer evaluate things definitively but whether it sounds good..and this sounds good again.

 

thanks for all the discussions concerning this issue.

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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by slwiser View Post

Maybe I am the last to revert back to 1.17 but I am so glad that I have now.  The difference is not small.  The enjoyment has come back....I had gotten away from the DX100 because of this.  I  no longer evaluate things definitively but whether it sounds good..and this sounds good again.

 

thanks for all the discussions concerning this issue.

Yep, I was not playing the DX as much. The delight wasn't thee. Back to 1.1.7, like you say, brought the enjoyment back. I am just glad they did the 1.1.7 in the first place. even if it took going backwards one time. :^)

post #7709 of 12887

Anyone from out of the US tried using a VPN for Pandora?

I can't seem to connect to any VPN on my DX100.

Any help will be appreciated.

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Originally Posted by Matter View Post

Anyone from out of the US tried using a VPN for Pandora?

I can't seem to connect to any VPN on my DX100.

Any help will be appreciated.

Give PIA a spin, works great on Android happy_face1.gif

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