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post #10306 of 12660

Have you tried your Grados with 1.3.5 ? Interested in your impression about their sound on that firmware.

post #10307 of 12660
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Originally Posted by Painterspal View Post

Ah, the usual measured comments comments on Headfi that make it such a joy to hang out here.

 

I agree that a player limited to one file type is rather limited but the comments on the lack of GUI are just plain bizarre.

 

 

To me it's bizarre that anyone would pay that much money, or even a fraction of that price, for a DAP that doesn't have a GUI and only plays wav files.

post #10308 of 12660
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Originally Posted by nelamvr6 View Post

To me it's bizarre that anyone would pay that much money, or even a fraction of that price, for a DAP that doesn't have a GUI and only plays wav files.

 

From what I know (and it's not much) the reason it costs so much is because its not mass manufactured. It's made by one guy in his workshop, last I heard. It only takes wav files because, from what I understand, they're easier for the limited CPU to process as they don't have any complicated code or compression applied which also saves battery life. When it comes to no GUI, iPod shuffles used to be the same and for the purpose people really enjoyed them.

 

I wouldn't buy a Teraplayer myself but I acknowledge that a guy made it for his own purposes (obviously must store his music in wav format) and decided that if people wanted him to handmake another one for themselves they'll have to pay his premium.

 

I read up about it briefly a while ago so some of the information may have changed to my ignorance.

post #10309 of 12660
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Originally Posted by nelamvr6 View Post

 

 

To me it's bizarre that anyone would pay that much money, or even a fraction of that price, for a DAP that doesn't have a GUI and only plays wav files.

Some chase the perfect combination of price, sound and usability. Others are after the absolutely best possible sound, no matter the cost. Most of the latter group are so deep into the land of diminishing returns that all common sense is lost on them. 

 

Let's be honest, from a price/performance standpoint, most rigs here on head-fi would be put to shame by a Clip+ and Creative Aurvana Live setup as long as "Enjoyment pr. $" is the deciding factor. 

 

The problem is that once you hear something slightly better, you'll keep chasing those improvements. Adding an amp. Then upgrading the headphones, then upgrading the source, then upgrading the amp and you're stuck in a loop. Some break out of the loop earlier than others. For me, the pinnacle of enjoyment is the DX100 with my 8.A. 

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Originally Posted by temporaryname View Post

 

From what I know (and it's not much) the reason it costs so much is because its not mass manufactured. It's made by one guy in his workshop, last I heard. It only takes wav files because, from what I understand, they're easier for the limited CPU to process as they don't have any complicated code or compression applied which also saves battery life. When it comes to no GUI, iPod shuffles used to be the same and for the purpose people really enjoyed them.

 

I wouldn't buy a Teraplayer myself but I acknowledge that a guy made it for his own purposes (obviously must store his music in wav format) and decided that if people wanted him to handmake another one for themselves they'll have to pay his premium.

 

I read up about it briefly a while ago so some of the information may have changed to my ignorance.

 

 

iPod shuffles went for how much?  BTW, I wouldn't buy one of those at any price, in fact I wouldn't accept one for free.  

 

But I could at least understand putting up with such an obvious flaw for something that was dirt cheap.  

 

In a megabuck device?  No.   Simply, no.

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Originally Posted by Sorensiim View Post

Got my first set of Beyer's incoming - A set of the supposedly very good DT-770 Limited Edition 88 Aniversary Whatchamajig or something like that. Should be fun pairing them with the DX100!

 

(Yeah I'm totally just trying to fill the void while waiting for my 8.A and Tzar 350 to come back)

 



I'd really like to hear your feedback on them with and without amping.  I have the T-1s and find that the DX-100 doesn't drive them very well and the sound stage is much more compressed than with an amp.  Mine are 600 ohm and the DT-7770s are 250 ohm.  I'm assuming that the lower impedance means they can be driven better by the DX.  I'm curious to hear if that's really the case.  Have you ever used your DX with a set of T1s?  If so, a comparison would be very nice.

post #10312 of 12660
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Originally Posted by Sorensiim View Post

Some chase the perfect combination of price, sound and usability. Others are after the absolutely best possible sound, no matter the cost. Most of the latter group are so deep into the land of diminishing returns that all common sense is lost on them. 

 

Let's be honest, from a price/performance standpoint, most rigs here on head-fi would be put to shame by a Clip+ and Creative Aurvana Live setup as long as "Enjoyment pr. $" is the deciding factor. 

 

The problem is that once you hear something slightly better, you'll keep chasing those improvements. Adding an amp. Then upgrading the headphones, then upgrading the source, then upgrading the amp and you're stuck in a loop. Some break out of the loop earlier than others. For me, the pinnacle of enjoyment is the DX100 with my 8.A. 

 

 

I agree with your assessment.

 

But let's be realistic.  If SQ was your highest priority, to such an extent that you would not be willing to accept ANY compromise, even doing without a GUI, even a simple one, then you shouldn't even be playing digital files at all!  You should be parked in front of a big rig home stereo, playing vinyl on the best turntable you could possibly afford.

 

The very fact that we're talking about a PORTABLE DIGITAL player means that by definition at least some compromises are allowable.

 

I don't know the gentleman who makes these, I'm sure he takes great care in crafting these devices. And I have nothing against him personally.

 

But if he can't manage a GUI, then he needs to hire someone who can.  Likewise supporting more codecs.  I would say that flac support in addition to wav would be the least I would personally accept.

post #10313 of 12660

@nelamvr6

 

Completely agree

post #10314 of 12660

OK, after saving up I am finally in a position to order my DX100 next Friday.  Does anyone have insight into how long I'll have to wait for shipping to the US?

post #10315 of 12660
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Originally Posted by dsalomon View Post

 



I'd really like to hear your feedback on them with and without amping.  I have the T-1s and find that the DX-100 doesn't drive them very well and the sound stage is much more compressed than with an amp.  Mine are 600 ohm and the DT-7770s are 250 ohm.  I'm assuming that the lower impedance means they can be driven better by the DX.  I'm curious to hear if that's really the case.  Have you ever used your DX with a set of T1s?  If so, a comparison would be very nice.

I have the Limited Aniversary Edition DT-770 incoming - Check the link I posted, they're only 32 ohm but like a bit of amping. Should be perfect with the DX100. 

 

Regarding the T1, yes the DX100 can be used with them but they need more power to show their full potential.

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Originally Posted by Sorensiim View Post

I have the Limited Aniversary Edition DT-770 incoming - Check the link I posted, they're only 32 ohm but like a bit of amping. Should be perfect with the DX100.

the DX100 takes excellent control of the DT770 AE's bass which was described as boomy smily_headphones1.gif

Haven't tried directly yet with fw 1.3.5, since I'm currently using a portaphile 627 with the dx100.

also interested with the T1 comparison too lol
Edited by xnuthecaveman - 2/1/13 at 6:34am
post #10317 of 12660
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Originally Posted by nelamvr6 View Post

 

 

I agree with your assessment.

 

But let's be realistic.  If SQ was your highest priority, to such an extent that you would not be willing to accept ANY compromise, even doing without a GUI, even a simple one, then you shouldn't even be playing digital files at all!  You should be parked in front of a big rig home stereo, playing vinyl on the best turntable you could possibly afford.

 

The very fact that we're talking about a PORTABLE DIGITAL player means that by definition at least some compromises are allowable.

 

I don't know the gentleman who makes these, I'm sure he takes great care in crafting these devices. And I have nothing against him personally.

 

But if he can't manage a GUI, then he needs to hire someone who can.  Likewise supporting more codecs.  I would say that flac support in addition to wav would be the least I would personally accept.

 

You're looking at this the wrong way. Instead of pouring scorn on what this guy is doing, you should be applauding him. He's obviously someone with a hell of a lot of passion for music, someone who appreciates quality, someone with a bit of entrepreneurial spirit who gets off his backside and tries to do something worthwhile, something that benefits other people's musical enjoyment and hopefully makes him a few bucks. More choice in high end products is a good thing, surely?

 

I probably wouldn't want to buy one myself, but I certainly think he deserves respect for making them. And, while a screen of some sort is obviously useful, I don't think user convenience is the be all and end all. If people want to buy them, then that's fine by me.

 

Apologies for sounding off, but the vehemence of the criticism here gets on my wick sometimes. 

 

 

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I'd really like to hear your recommendations for portable headphones to use with the DX100. I'm using Westone 4Rs at the moment but I'd like a closed back, over-ear or on-ear 'phone for the office and commuting.

 

I've been looking at the Senn Amperior and Momentum but I'm not sure if they're up to the job, given the quality the DX100 produces. I use HD800s at home.

 

Welcome your thoughts...

post #10319 of 12660
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Originally Posted by xnuthecaveman View Post


the DX100 takes excellent control of the DT770 AE's bass which was described as boomy smily_headphones1.gif

Haven't tried directly yet with fw 1.3.5, since I'm currently using a portaphile 627 with the dx100.

also interested with the T1 comparison too lol

There are currently 949 reasons why I don't have the T1, I'm afraid...

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Originally Posted by Painterspal View Post

I'd really like to hear your recommendations for portable headphones to use with the DX100. I'm using Westone 4Rs at the moment but I'd like a closed back, over-ear or on-ear 'phone for the office and commuting.

 

I've been looking at the Senn Amperior and Momentum but I'm not sure if they're up to the job, given the quality the DX100 produces. I use HD800s at home.

 

Welcome your thoughts...

There sure are A LOT of Momentums, barely used, in the FS section... I don't think that's a good sign. 

 

What sort of sound are you after and how much money are you willing to throw down this particular drain?

post #10320 of 12660
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Originally Posted by Painterspal View Post

 

You're looking at this the wrong way. Instead of pouring scorn on what this guy is doing, you should be applauding him. He's obviously someone with a hell of a lot of passion for music, someone who appreciates quality, someone with a bit of entrepreneurial spirit who gets off his backside and tries to do something worthwhile, something that benefits other people's musical enjoyment and hopefully makes him a few bucks. More choice in high end products is a good thing, surely?

 

I probably wouldn't want to buy one myself, but I certainly think he deserves respect for making them. And, while a screen of some sort is obviously useful, I don't think user convenience is the be all and end all. If people want to buy them, then that's fine by me.

 

Apologies for sounding off, but the vehemence of the criticism here gets on my wick sometimes. 

 

 


I agree with your sentiments. And while this world could use more of a live and let live attitude, I guess the folks who enjoy criticizing and critiquing others are also exercising their rights to spout off :)

 

I have sometimes been drawn in, both in criticizing and in being criticized and what I find is that it is never very satisfying. It is much more interesting to me when there is just an exchange of perspectives without having to make anybody wrong. There is room in this world for a lot of different ways of being right.

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