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post #31 of 689

What is the sound isolation like (from others hearing you, not you hearing others)?

post #32 of 689
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I've just dug deeper in the matter of isolation.

I turned the volume up to a level that I feel uncomfortable with. I shouted at my wife if she could hear my music but she just shook her head. I came up very close to her and asked if she could hear it now. She said yes, but also verified that it's the best isolating headphone I've had yet. (This is among PRO 900, HFI-780, obviously DT990, ZX700 and Klipsch Image One.)

I pulled the L1 over my leg to check and I have to agree with my wife. Sound leakage is very low.

 

However, sound gets in easily and even the coffee machine can be loud enough to disturb music enjoyment. I also haven't missed a call with these yet.

 

The category half-open makes a lot of sense and is easily explained by the build. The back is open, only damped by foam. It leaves enough movement for the driver to move quickly and also results in the incredible punch experience. But the driver only plays the sound in the direction of the ear. The backside is quiet. The super comfortable cushions capture all noise, so the leakage is very low.

Chances are very high that your fully closed can leaks a lot more, which is mostly due to the ear pads being velour or lower quality foam than with the Philips.

 

I've always worried that people next to me in the tram might hear my music, considering I could sometimes understand what they said. But from now on I won't worry anymore and put the volume up a notch. :)

post #33 of 689

Nice review!!!

 

Phillips seems to be stepping up.

I'm actually interested in their "uptown" model (Philips SHL5905).

They look good and comfortable, hopefully the sound competes with the likes of:

 

Skullcandy Aviators

The House of Marley Exodus

etc

etc

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Originally Posted by gelocks View Post

Nice review!!!

 

Phillips seems to be stepping up.

I'm actually interested in their "uptown" model (Philips SHL5905).

They look good and comfortable, hopefully the sound competes with the likes of:

 

Skullcandy Aviators

The House of Marley Exodus

etc

etc

 

According to Tyll and Jude, Downtowns are the ones to look out for. They both agreed that this was the best offer on the whole CES show (price/performance wise) at $99 price point. L1 obviously sounding better but certainly not 3x better! :p Well Tyll was quite impressed with the whole lineup but yea the CitiScape Downtown and L1 seems to be the ones standing out the most. I'm quite curious about the M1 myself tho I wish it wasn't on-ear (at least it very much looks so).

 


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 1/28/12 at 3:03pm
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post #36 of 689
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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post
I'm quite curious about the M1 myself tho I wish it wasn't on-ear (at least it very much looks so).


I'm pretty sure the M1 is the lightweight design of the L1. In an interview they said that the M1 is very similar but the L1 has a bigger soundstage because of it's over-ear design.

 

Nevertheless, I will pick up at least one more Philips (probably Downtown) and compare with the L1.

post #37 of 689
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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post

 

According to Tyll and Jude, Downtowns are the ones to look out for. They both agreed that this was the best offer on the whole CES show (price/performance wise) at $99 price point. L1 obviously sounding better but certainly not 3x better! :p Well Tyll was quite impressed with the whole lineup but yea the CitiScape Downtown and L1 seems to be the ones standing out the most. I'm quite curious about the M1 myself tho I wish it wasn't on-ear (at least it very much looks so).

 


Hmmm... just read his CES coverage.

Hopefully it seems that both, uptown and downtown, don't leak any sound so that's good!

 

Let's see if I get one just for the heck of it! ;-)

 

post #38 of 689

Thanks for the leakage response Ultrazino.

 

 

post #39 of 689

Tyll seems to like ALL the NEW philips headphones, like the one with bendy headband(forgot the name).

post #40 of 689

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Originally Posted by Ultrazino View Post

I've just dug deeper in the matter of isolation.

...

I pulled the L1 over my leg to check and I have to agree with my wife. Sound leakage is very low.

 

However, sound gets in easily and even the coffee machine can be loud enough to disturb music enjoyment. I also haven't missed a call with these yet.

...

 

Thanks for this, Ultrazino!

 

Just ordered a new pair of Fidelio L1 in Switzerland. No shipping estimate given by the shop. :(

post #41 of 689

I'm in a dilemma here, wait for Fidelio L1 and hopefully ZO2 will take care of my bassneeds but otherwise it seems a perfect fit sound-wise or buy BeyerDynamic DT990 PRO 250 ohm and be worried how the ZO2 amp will cope with a 250 ohm headphone and how the soundstage is projected and if the mids are forward enough sounding for my taste if just taming down the 8~10kHz peak a little bit. Hmm...


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 1/29/12 at 3:38am
post #42 of 689

great review... easy read !  This can looks HANDSOME ! gs1000.gif

 

i wonder if hifi-philips would organise a prelaunch sale just for headfiers...? 

(for all the hairdryers we have bought for generations.. winks. )

 

saw some vids on youtube, i get the sense that this can is pitched as an onthegobigportable...

i am adverse to sound going IN.  Out is a  2nd consideration.

 

Off my head, i am thinking of how this L1 would pitch against SONY Z1000, or the new openback SHUREs..

all competing for my dimes.

 

This is gonna be a longgggggthread...biggrin.gif

post #43 of 689


Ya, it doesn't seem to be getting any talk at all right now and Tyll and Jude both thought it was one of the biggest surprises at CES this year.  Looks very interesting.  I haven't seen anything out there on the net about sales or release dates or anything. 

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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post

 

According to Tyll and Jude, Downtowns are the ones to look out for. They both agreed that this was the best offer on the whole CES show (price/performance wise) at $99 price point. L1 obviously sounding better but certainly not 3x better! :p Well Tyll was quite impressed with the whole lineup but yea the CitiScape Downtown and L1 seems to be the ones standing out the most. I'm quite curious about the M1 myself tho I wish it wasn't on-ear (at least it very much looks so).

 



I think you should get the Philips.  They are so unknown for a high end headphones, they may not last very long.  The Beyers are a staple.  You'll always be able to get them later down the road.  Good dilema to have though!! 



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Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD View Post

I'm in a dilemma here, wait for Fidelio L1 and hopefully ZO2 will take care of my bassneeds but otherwise it seems a perfect fit sound-wise or buy BeyerDynamic DT990 PRO 250 ohm and be worried how the ZO2 amp will cope with a 250 ohm headphone and how the soundstage is projected and if the mids are forward enough sounding for my taste if just taming down the 8~10kHz peak a little bit. Hmm...



 


Edited by nonsupremous - 1/29/12 at 8:20am
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First post in this forum.  I've been reading the forum on and off for a while and decided to post in this thread.

 

I was looking at getting some outdoor cans and was researching mainly using this site.  I was pretty settled on getting the Shure srh940 or the FA-003 when I went into a store to check out a couple and noticed a cool box tucked away with Philips written on it.  I almost dismissed it (Philips?!  What would they know about Headphones right?! LOL).  However I took a photo of the box and checked it out online.  Of course not many reviews but what I did see looked impressive.  So I added it to the list of possible headphones to buy.  

 

Then today, I saw these on display in HMV in Tsim Sha Tsui (Hong Kong).  I think it's also the place where I read someone online got theirs.  I live in HK BTW.

 

They had it plugged into some sort of box with another wire coming out of it which you could plug your MP3 player into to listen to it. However I don't know what's going on in that box because the sound coming out of it was really weak, even blasting it full with no volume limit set (on my iPhone) I could hardly hear it.  I guess they didn't want them getting blasted/damaged by people playing songs too loud so they ran it through some sort of limiter (not sure if there's a technical term for that).  So I just disconnected it near the top (where you can plug in one of the cables provided) and plugged in my iPhone and played some tracks.

 

I won't claim to know as much as you guys about all the different aspects of sound etc.  all I'll say is I like the sound.  Everything came through really clear and I noticed good (and bad) things in my recordings I don't notice with my triple fi 10 pros.  To my non-audiofile ears everything was quite clear sounding.  The bass was clear and not overpowering (I'm no bass head so this is good for me) and I could clearly hear all the other aspects (mids and highs) of the tracks (this is playing some Corduroy and more funky instrumentals from the Beastie Boys). I then played a fairly heavy rock/metal/hardcore song.  When I played this I thought to myself.  "Oh darn, the headphones are distorting the sound..." then I realised, that's how the track really sounds.  The phones were picking up the subtle distortion from the guitars, which is something I didn't notice before!  This surprised me as I don't notice this using my triple fi's or my AKG K 271's even.  Overall, I was quite impressed with the sound.  But take my word with a grain of salt because I'm no expert when it comes to sound, I just know what I like.

 

The construction is also really strong (and they look great).They also look really strong (put my mdr7509's I use for video work to shame really, and they're pretty tough).  

 

They're a bit smaller than I imaged from looking at the WA close up images posted around the place and from the videos online.  But I'm 6'4" and weigh about 100kg, so maybe they're just small in comparison to me. ;) They're pretty comfortable too.  I have a little bit of a sloping head and sometimes find headphones a little awkward to fit, but after some tightening they fit quite well and didn't slip forward too much like a lot of headphones do on me.

 

Only gripe I have is that I wish the cable was completely removable (and therefore easier to replace/repair/modify).  This isn't such a huge deal as the cable that's permanently attached to the headphones is pretty strong looking and isn't very long, so I guess it would survive quite a bit of rough treatment.

 

Isolation was pretty good.  Much better than my AKG K 450 but obviously not as good as my triple fi 10 pros (which have custom ear pieces so it's not really fair to compare them).  I was in HMV in Hong Kong on a Sunday... so a pretty noisy place to be.  At medium volume I could still hear a slightly distracting amount of the music they were blasting over the loud speakers mixing with the music playing over the cans.  Turning it up a bit I drowned that out pretty easy without killing my ears.  So I'm happy about that.  Not sure how it will go on the MTR (HK train system, which gets very noisy) but I think it would be fine on a bus.

 

So yeah.  I was pretty impressed.  I'm no audiophile so wait for more competent reviews on the sound.  All I can say is they're very good sounding to me. Much better than the Beats studio and Soul Ludacris my Nephew asked me to try the other day... the latter of which sounded like someone was playing music through a tube to my ears LOL. The former sounded really weird to me, like too much bass and treble and nothing in-between. I actually hate to compare them to freakin' beats, the L1's are in a whole different class it's not even funny.  They're also really strong and SUPER sexy (maybe I'm just a geek, I dunno, but I find them sexy).

 

I'll be getting a pair as soon as I pick up my next pay cheque. :D

 

 

 

 

 


Edited by Stealthy Ninja - 1/29/12 at 7:43am
post #45 of 689
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Originally Posted by Ultrazino View Post

I've just dug deeper in the matter of isolation.

I turned the volume up to a level that I feel uncomfortable with. I shouted at my wife if she could hear my music but she just shook her head. I came up very close to her and asked if she could hear it now. She said yes, but also verified that it's the best isolating headphone I've had yet. (This is among PRO 900, HFI-780, obviously DT990, ZX700 and Klipsch Image One.)

I pulled the L1 over my leg to check and I have to agree with my wife. Sound leakage is very low.



I call FAKE! Semi-open cans that don't leak painfully loud music? No, I think this guy is taking us all for a ride, and you've all been had.

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