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Game endings: are we being too harsh?

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Not mine --- Mine only shipped out today and won't get here until Monday perhaps, but I thought I'd share some pictures:

 

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Edited by turokrocks - 5/3/12 at 4:23am
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Game endings: are we being too harsh?

 

No.

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No.

Did you read the article?...and please don't say NO.....bigsmile_face.gif

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Did you read the article?...and please don't say NO.....bigsmile_face.gif

 

Well, I say "no" in answer to the question: are we being too harsh?

 

First off, we need to define what we mean by videogames. Racing games, fishing games, Tetris... these are all purely gameplay based and more akin to pass-times and idle amusements. Nothing wrong with that. On the other hand, RPGs and other narrative-based games carry the weight and burdens of writing as an artform. Overall an interactive medium such as a videogame has a whole different set of considerations. For example Ellias Canetti's Auto Da Fe or Virginia Woolfe's To the Lighthouse, while some of the true literary masterpieces of the 20th century, would make pretty awful videogames.

 

Despite this however I think good writing is still good writing at the end of the day. I think saying "go easy on videogames because they're videogames" is akin to isolating them from other art forms, and in the process actually devaluing them and saying they're not quite good enough to compete on the same level. Up until the third game, and at certain points in the third game, the Mass Effect series had some of the strongest writing and story telling of any videogame franchise in my humble opinion. At the same time it managed to be immersive AND function as a videogame ought: it was fun. One is drawn into the world through the writing and gets to shape and subsequently experience it.

 

The problems with Mass Effect 3's ending exist from a writing / literary perspective AND a gameplay perspective. The ending fails as both a written narrative and as a pure interactive experience. It fails on the level of literature AND gaming. What is most frustrating is that the problems seem largely solvable. The ending feels so utterly rushed, I can't help but feel as though it was a last minute addition. The development team HAD an ending. A very good ending. It was handed to them on a silver platter by Karpyshyn. But you know what? People are arrogant. In their hubris, the new creative team decided they wanted to go in a new direction. I can honestly see them setting around thinking "oh man, this is mindblowing! It'll be a total Matrix moment." Little thought was given seemingly to the fact that Mass Effect existed as a player-dependant artform, an artform largely defined by someone OTHER than those who created it. Yes, the choices were laid out by the developers, but past that they have no control over how their art is experienced. That just goes with the territory of videogaming. It's one of the unique challenges inherent in the artform.

 

So they sacrificed this to show everyone their "vision" and ended up making a mess of it. I answer the question with a "no," because I don't think we're being too hard on endings like ME3's. Given that the rest of the series was held to such high standards, it's truly unfortunate to see it fall apart at the last minute due to hubris and corporate greed (IE. EA rushing the project most likely). The problems could have largely been avoided however, and that's what gets me almost more than the bad ending itself. 

 

Artists must always be hard on themselves, must always push themselves and must always be open to criticism. Always. That's the only way they improve. To simply say "it's ENOUGH" and leave it at that... that just leads to stagnation. Since I consider Mass Effect 3 to be art, I can't accept the ending as "good enough" in that sense. Y'know?


Edited by MuppetFace - 5/3/12 at 4:54am
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Well, I say "no" in answer to the question: are we being too harsh?

 

Good stuff.  You're on fire today.

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Well, I say "no" in answer to the question: are we being too harsh?

 

Good stuff.  You're on fire today.


Yes she is, but she's right......... And she keeps on surprising me with her views, in a way that makes you rethink it more then once and from a new/different angle, and that's why she's the boss....... biggrin.gif
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"You can spin it out all you want and say that videogames are a young industry, and that’s where I flip you off and tell you that yeah, they’re a young industry, though it’s a pretty mature ******* world we live in, and these people went to school, where they very well should have read books about the ******* world and learned just how mature it is."

 

^ This bit from ActionButton.net's Saint's Row review goes though my head every time someone says we're being too harsh on videogames.

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I've experienced the same kind of thing, and to be honest I feel very ambivalent about it. While I understand the very important personal desire to avoid the imposition of language on their self identity, at the same time I can't help but feel that the difficulties this introduces to highly specific dialogue will create its own form of categorisation and balkanisation by creating a new, exclusive and internal language, when it is precisely the powers of categorisation that gender-queer individuals are trying to remove. This is also seen in the proliferation of letters from LGBT to LGBTQ to QUILTBAG (even I did not hear of that one). There is always a contradiction when in order to express some form of political identity in opposition to a norm, its necessary to categorise and identify, even if its categorisation and identification which is a big issue in the first place. Human brains do not seem to be wired to accept things on a spectrum, and as one of my lecturers suggested, the most ardent poststructuralists tend to be the most dogmatic of all. 

 

 

Great observations.  There was a book written back in the 1970's called "How to be a non-conformist".  It was obviously a satire, but it was making that point that there are communities of people that self-identify as non-conformists, that require conformity to function in.  I often feel this way about certain LGBT communities.  I'm not the slightest bit against self expression, quite the opposite actually.  But I was once friends with a male to female transgendered person who was brave enough to attend a church dressed as a female, and this person got greatly offended when I accidentally called them "he".  So I failed to conform to his non-conformity and was therefore shunned.

 

This is a bit of a widening of topic, but I've also seen this same type of conformity in other counter culture communities.  I used to frequent a death metal nightclub in east Denver, because I was friends with several of the bands.  Often, everyone in the entire club was wearing black.  I used to intentionally go there wearing other colors, like a green shirt, just because I was uncomfortable with the level of conformity.  I didn't go so far as a tie dye, as that could have caused outward tension.

 

So that's what I see as a theme of your post: Conforming to non-conformity is often expected by the group that identifies as non-conformist.

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UE demo molds look more ergonomic than JH demo molds. That is all.

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Hmph, for the last few days there's been some nice deals posted on the deals thread involving the Demon Dxxx line. You'd think everyone would be happy so many good deals are being posted but instead certain people are now starting to complain there's to many postings involving Denon and one guy has even asked that deals on Denons not be posted anymore. Some people seem to love complaining about the silliest things. Speaking of which anyone think we'll actually see a D7000 hit around 400 bones or lower? There's already been a couple of posts for open boxes like new for around 500 bones. The people who jumped on the deal said their D7000's were in pristine condition when they got them and all accessories were there.

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Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if Denon prices went up a little in the coming months due to the recent announcement about their fugly replacements.

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Hmph, for the last few days there's been some nice deals posted on the deals thread involving the Demon Dxxx line. You'd think everyone would be happy so many good deals are being posted but instead certain people are now starting to complain there's to many postings involving Denon and one guy has even asked that deals on Denons not be posted anymore. Some people seem to love complaining about the silliest things. Speaking of which anyone think we'll actually see a D7000 hit around 400 bones or lower? There's already been a couple of posts for open boxes like new for around 500 bones. The people who jumped on the deal said their D7000's were in pristine condition when they got them and all accessories were there.

 

I think that's just because the "deals" that people are posting are THE SAME... by this I mean that they are from the same seller either through their website or via amazon... I'm actually kind of tired of the repeated deal being posted over and over....

 

Will the D7000 hit around 400? I doubt it... but if it does, I'm going to jump all over it! ;-) (absolutely LOOOVE my D5000s!!!)

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Tyll just posted some measurements of the RE262 and RE272 and they look almost like BAs.

 

Color me impressed...

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Tyll just posted some measurements of the RE262 and RE272 and they look almost like BAs.

 

Color me impressed...

 

Hmm, less than 5db difference in frequency response at max?

 

I've heard neither of them, but wouldn't have expected this from the reviews.

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