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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

Oh, could you please compare the EX1000 and GR07? I had the EX600 a while back and found them fairly equal, so I'm curious how the big brother stands up (or over) the GR07.

 

Okay, I did a little comparison between the EX1000, GR07 and for fun, the FXD80 as well. It didn't really change my mind about all three, though I'm reminded again of why the GR07 is so great.

 

The EX1000 is the driest of all three because its spiked treble region gives everything a kind of dusky, slightly hazy sound - because of its emphasis of hiss it reminds me a little of the sound of an old tape (Of course, a much better sound then that, just a memory haunting the signature is all heh). Apart from that particularly characteristic it sounds quite neutral, but the treble can get splashy and sibilant on some tracks. The soundstage presentation is the best of all three to me, with a real feeling of 'out of head' - ness to it. Overall a beautiful and natural, though at times a little too dry, sound.

 

The GR07 is not as natural sounding as the EX1000, but is actually smoother and easier to listen to for many tracks. There is more mid-bass (and perhaps a smidgen more bass) to the sound meaning that everything has more weight, and the highs are smoother compared to the EX. However, compared to the EX and the FXD, it has more of a closed in kind of sound with some particular echoes that sound a bit plasticky. This is really nitpicking because the GR07 sounds pretty darn magical, just in comparison to these other two it sounds a little congested. Nonetheless the GR07 is probably going to be pleasing to the ears for more tracks and its a fantastic all rounder. It's similar in speed and transients to the EX1000.

 

The FXD80 is by far the most aggressive of the three, with boosted treble and bass. The treble range is overall lifted even compared to the EX1000, but doesn't seem to spike as severely, meaning you get tremendous treble extension and magical energy without as much sibilance. Lower mids aren't tremendously recessed, they just don't really excite in the mix as much as the other frequencies. The soundstage and overall presentation is cleaner than the GR07 and EX1000, with a kind of scalpel blade precision to the transients. However it doesn't create the out of head illusion that the EX1000 does; it just manages to be more cohesive within a smaller soundstage. Actually, the overall presentation reminds me of the sound Bose tries to install in most of its models - bass and treble performance that makes people go "gee willikers". However in this case the price is also pretty jaw dropping.

 

I really hesitate to say which one is better because it really does seem to come down to preference at this point. I can say that the EX1000 and FXD80 sound like the cleaner IEMs, but the are less forgiving compared to the GR07. In terms of other factors, if it was price / performance, it would be FXD80 > GR07  > EX1000 hands down. If it was ease of use, it would be FXD80 > GR07 > EX1000 again. Build quality would be EX1000 > FXD80 > GR07 (though they are all pretty nice and I'm pretty sure the FXD80 is actually more durable despite feeling less 'premium'). Isolation would be GR07 > FXD80 > EX1000. The EX1000 in particular offers almost no isolation.

 

As I've said, the GR07 would have been my previous first recommendation to anyone looking for a nice new pair of headphones provided they weren't after a particular sound signature. (If they were after a particular sound signature I'm sure they are picky enough to do their own research). Now my recommendation would be the FXD80 in a snap. The EX1000 is a beautiful instrument, but seems more like a enthusiast's / collectors model than something to live with every day.

 

As far as my preferences go, interestingly enough the GR07 is actually the kind of signature I prefer. However the FXD80's seat of your pants energy and precision are addictive, and I've found myself using the JVC almost exclusively. (Actually, if I could get the FXD80 build and clarity with the XBA-4 signature and layering I would be in heaven). 

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That was one of the better comparisons I've read on this site. Thanks!

 

Two questions:

 

1) If you HAD TO put a percentage difference between the EX1000 and GR07, what would it be?

 

2) Do you think the FXD80 is more of a new toy thing that could wear off over time, or is it something you see yourself sticking with for a while? I ask because I like to buy iems that could be my one and only. They have to be versatile enough to handle my eclectic library on shuffle.

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Originally Posted by eke2k6 View Post

 

That was one of the better comparisons I've read on this site. Thanks!

 

Two questions:

 

1) If you HAD TO put a percentage difference between the EX1000 and GR07, what would it be?

 

2) Do you think the FXD80 is more of a new toy thing that could wear off over time, or is it something you see yourself sticking with for a while? I ask because I like to buy iems that could be my one and only. They have to be versatile enough to handle my eclectic library on shuffle.

 

1) Hmm, I don't even know what putting a percentage difference would mean. I don't know what metric I would judge them by to even arrive at that figure. I guess the safest way would be to give a percentage figure to how much I subjectively like one over the other, in which case I would say I LIKE the EX1000 twice as much as the GR07. But that's really because the EX1000 is a magical, picky and beautiful piece of Japanese craftmanship versus the GR07 which is a plucky go-gettem giant killer. If I had to judge them on quality, I would say the EX1000 seems technically better quality, but at the same time I would take the 07 over the EX1000 as my everyday IEM any day, considering the EX1000's potential for sibilance and its impracticality.

 

2) I've had the FXD80 for a while now and I wasn't initially all that impressed with them. However, I see myself sticking with them for a while simply because they are easier to take around than all my other IEM's. They don't have the fiddly ear guides of the 07, they are easy to slip into the pocket and light compared to the XBA-4 / GR07. They have a nice cable and a strong stainless steel build that makes me really confident that I can just subject them to all kinds of casual abuse, and the price is low enough that if I'm proven wrong it won't be a disaster. A lot of the times, I value ergonomics as much (if not more) than I value sound - kind of why I really like the MA900 as well. I grow to really like something by feeling good about using it. 

 

So even though the FXD isn't actually my preferred signature, I really can't fault the actual technicality of the sound. At the same time the price and comfort / ergonomics make it easy to live with. 

 

Then again you're speaking to someone who abandoned the idea of buying a 'one and only' a long time ago. (I've gone through 'the one' enough times.) It feels like this:

 

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That puts a lot into perspective. I'm actually more interested in the EX1000 now biggrin.gif

 

Thanks again!

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Nope. It's an electrostat, so you need an appropriate amp or transformer to adapt a conventional amp.

damn and i thought it would be a great deal...... anyways turns out it isnt sold in Aus.....

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my asian  side is tingling 

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I certainly understand that phase. It's harrying.

How's your average "entry level" headphone amp look against those?
As far as Z out, I don't want to re-write the bible on it, but the easy answer is: it matters about 1/10000th as much as the amp salesmen (there's very few amp makers or amp sellers that will admit this though, Butler, Manley, and a few others will) want you to believe it does, unless you have a highly reactive load (Sennheiser HD 600 are such an example, but the FR shift with a high Z out on them isn't "bad" it's just different - there is no "muddy" as the result of high Zout, because DF is a complete machination of the marketing world).
Here's what it actually does:
http://en.goldenears.net/index.php?mid=KB_Columns&document_srl=1389
Meier actually estimated it for the HD 600 too:
http://www.meier-audio.homepage.t-online.de/tipstricks.htm
And finally this:
http://www.butleraudio.com/damping1.php (this is re-published, in-full, from the Electronics World article; it is not a marketing spiel by Butler (they're probably one of the least aggressive amp makers I've ever encountered on that note)).
The very easy answer is: this is not something that should pre-occupy your time to worry about, just enjoy the music and the headphones.

On an unrelated note to all of that: I just watched the latest George Lopez stand-up. If you like George Lopez (pre-Lopez Tonight selling-out), I think you'll enjoy it quite a bit. biggrin.gif

 

Thanks for the links.

And yes, I've had Receivers before, but they are just so bulky and big! LOL I actually like my setup in the living room which consist of a Denon AVR with some Cambridge audio speakers and an Emotiva Sub.

 

BTW, I'm "latino" AND I HATE GEORGE LOPEZ!!! There I've said it!!

 

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Originally Posted by lee730 View Post

I have to admit the biggest improvements I got were from the UHA4, O2 Amp and UHA6. The E9 amp I had actually messed things up due to the high output impedance and made things a bit muddy. The UHA6 MKII and O2 amps are quite different enough for me to warrant keeping both as it really changes the presentation of the music and that is great for certain genres and moods :). The O2 has a wider sound stage which I feel is excellent for Rock Music while the MKII has a smaller sound stage with more depth. It takes you deeper into the recording while the O2 spreads it out for you (I consider both to be quite analytical in their own respects, just different presentations, if you take my meaning).
 

 

Which genres are liking/enjoying with the UHA6 MKII and the O2?

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Are there any Tech N9ne fans in this thread?

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I'm aware of him, but would not consider myself a fan.
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Thanks for the links.

And yes, I've had Receivers before, but they are just so bulky and big! LOL I actually like my setup in the living room which consist of a Denon AVR with some Cambridge audio speakers and an Emotiva Sub.

 

BTW, I'm "latino" AND I HATE GEORGE LOPEZ!!! There I've said it!!

 

 

Which genres are liking/enjoying with the UHA6 MKII and the O2?


Generally I prefer Rock on the O2 amp or songs that benefit from a wide, headphone-like sound stage. It also really depends on mood, the O2 is engaging and yet it gives you space while the MKII is more intimate with depth.. Its hard to explain lol. But the UHA6 MKII pairs really well with my DX100 and my IE80s. Generally everything I've thrown at it does really well. So synergy is a key role in getting the best out of the kit.


Edited by lee730 - 7/15/12 at 8:43pm
post #10031 of 15119
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Originally Posted by a_recording View Post

However the FXD80's seat of your pants energy and precision are addictive, and I've found myself using the JVC almost exclusively. (Actually, if I could get the FXD80 build and clarity with the XBA-4 signature and layering I would be in heaven).

 

...thus making my wait for the FXDs all the more painful. Thanks! frown.gif

post #10032 of 15119
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I'm aware of him, but would not consider myself a fan.

Fair enough. He's certainly a different kind of rapper compared to many others. There are very few hip-hop artists I like more than Tech, but I can't really call myself an expert on the genre either. Maybe someday I'll discover an individual or group that does it better.

post #10033 of 15119
Oh I didn't mean to denigrate him, I just haven't listened to much of his material - but I know of his existence. redface.gif
post #10034 of 15119
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Oh I didn't mean to denigrate him, I just haven't listened to much of his material - but I know of his existence. redface.gif


No, no, no. I know you didn't mean to. I didn't take it that way at all. I understand what you meant. If you get the chance to listen to more, I would definitely say you should give it a shot. He's got some absolutely incredible material, imo. If you do, let me know what you think.

post #10035 of 15119

MF and other current/former diary regulars have been quoted in Jude's headphone guide for Gizmodo: http://gizmodo.com/5925746/the-best-headphones-money-can-buy

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