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post #76 of 399
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Originally Posted by Slickman View Post

 I really want to hear these headphones because I heard they smoke the LCD-2/LCD-3 easily except for the bass. 

 

 

I don't know about smoking something easy.  I do know you have to do right by them to get them to act right for you.  

post #77 of 399

Aggressive treble with the HE-6 = deficient source(s) and/or inadequate amping.  High frequency with my HE-6 is actually smoother--while being more extended and detailed--than either the HE-500 or the HE-5LE.  This is given that the 5LE already better the 500 in the treble department, IMHO. 

post #78 of 399
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

 

All I can say about your ridiculous comment is "Don't knock it until you try it"  I use to think you the way you think.   But OH boy was I wrong.  By the way.  IMHO the LCD-2.2 can't touch the

HE-6 when it's driving correctly - and the Lyr "JUSY WON'T CUT IT" Sorry.  

 

Until you have actually heard the HE-6 on a "GOOD"  speaker amp.  You really can't comment.  

 

Just try it - then come back and give your impressions.

I didn't argue that the Lyr was 100% sufficient to drive the HE-6.  All I said was that in my opinion, I think it's silly to have to use a speaker amp to drive a pair of headphones.  For the purposes of my own system, it's not practical for me to get a speaker amp specifically for the purpose of driving the HE-6, as then you are limited to just those headphones.  If you want to upgrade/change headphones, you *have* to change amps.  If you're willing to accept that inconvenience, then I'm sure it's well worth the investment.  However, I am not, and my opinion is still that it's ridiculous.  

post #79 of 399
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Originally Posted by jsplice View Post

I didn't argue that the Lyr was 100% sufficient to drive the HE-6.  All I said was that in my opinion, I think it's silly to have to use a speaker amp to drive a pair of headphones.  For the purposes of my own system, it's not practical for me to get a speaker amp specifically for the purpose of driving the HE-6, as then you are limited to just those headphones.  If you want to upgrade/change headphones, you *have* to change amps.  If you're willing to accept that inconvenience, then I'm sure it's well worth the investment.  However, I am not, and my opinion is still that it's ridiculous.  

 

 

Well, you know you really can drive any headphones with the same speaker adapter used for the HE-6.  You just have to pay close attention to the volume.

 

I see you point. 

post #80 of 399
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

 

Well, you know you really can drive any headphones with the same speaker adapter used for the HE-6.  You just have to pay close attention to the volume.

 

I see you point. 

Holy cow you're using 300 watt monoblocks to power the HE-6?  That seems like a LOT of power for headphones.  Did you get to hear other speaker amps with less power, and notice a difference going to the 300 watt monoblocks?

post #81 of 399

I didn't purposely buy these amps for the HE-6.  They was being used in my Home Theater System.  A couple of Head Fi'es talked me into trying them out.  What do you know - It was the best I've heard these headphones perform.  Before that I was using them on my 4-channel B22 set at 8X gain.  The volume knob was always up around the 3 or 4 o'clock area.  I felt like the B22 was struggling to power these phones.  The B22 when used with the HE-6 got hotter than normal.  I didn't feel comfortable.

 

These amps have yet to make it back to the Home Theater System.  I'm now in search for a 2channel or cheap mono blocks to replace them.  I have my eye on the First Watt amps.  Also the Audio GD 2 channel Master 3:  http://www.audio-gd.com/Master/Master-3/Master-3EN.htm

 

I know, It's big.  But being class A is a requirement and I have some space.

 

I got to hear a few of the Sim audio amps (MOON Series) that was like 125 watts or less with the HE-6.  The quality was way above my amps and took the HE-6 to even higher levels.  However, the price was way higher as well.  

 

My current mono blocks - Emotiva UPA-1s cost $250 each.  A real bargain.  But what I witnessed with my own ears is the scalability of these headphones I know I can get better out of them with higher quality amps than the Emotivas.  The search is on.

post #82 of 399
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

I didn't purposely buy these amps for the HE-6.  They was being used in my Home Theater System.  A couple of Head Fi'es talked me into trying them out.  What do you know - It was the best I've heard these headphones perform.  Before that I was using them on my 4-channel B22 set at 8X gain.  The volume knob was always up around the 3 or 4 o'clock area.  I felt like the B22 was struggling to power these phones.  The B22 when used with the HE-6 got hotter than normal.  I didn't feel comfortable.

 

These amps have yet to make it back to the Home Theater System.  I'm now in search for a 2channel or cheap mono blocks to replace them.  I have my eye on the First Watt amps.  Also the Audio GD 2 channel Master 3:  http://www.audio-gd.com/Master/Master-3/Master-3EN.htm

 

I know, It's big.  But being class A is a requirement and I have some space.

 

I got to hear a few of the Sim audio amps (MOON Series) that was like 125 watts or less with the HE-6.  The quality was way above my amps and took the HE-6 to even higher levels.  However, the price was way higher as well.  

 

My current mono blocks - Emotiva UPA-1s cost $250 each.  A real bargain.  But what I witnessed with my own ears is the scalability of these headphones I know I can get better out of them with higher quality amps than the Emotivas.  The search is on.

I used to own an XPA-2 that I used to power my Paradigm Studio 60 v3's.  It was a very good amplifier for the money.  It wasn't the last word in transparency or refinement, but man it controlled those drivers very well.  When I had to move my audio stuff into a bedroom, it was just too much power for the room, and I sold it off and opted for a PrimaLuna Prologue Two and some LSA1 monitor speakers.  I suppose if you had the amps in a place where you could easily switch between speakers and HE-6, it would be a good setup.  

post #83 of 399

Yea - I was using the mono blocks to power a pair of Paradigm Studio 100 v3's.  That XPA-2 is a beast.  I was looking into the XPA-1s but the UPA-1s was doing a great job for Movies, that's all they was used for.  Now in a 5 channel setup I use 2 X UPA-2s + 1 UPA-1.  Where as before I move them I was using 3 X UPA-1s for L C R and 1 X UPA-2 for the rears.

 

Here's a small amp that might work with the HE-6s for only around $200 - plus they have a 10% of sale going on right now:  http://shop.emotiva.com/collections/amplifiers/products/a100 

post #84 of 399
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Originally Posted by Slickman View Post

 I really want to hear these headphones because I heard they smoke the LCD-2/LCD-3 easily except for the bass. 

 

 I'm not too sure on bass for the HE-6 compared to the LCD-2. The HE-6 is much lighter, but it can easily drop down and grab a lot of bass that's very quick and light. I never really heard it out of the HE-6 until they got attached to a speaker amp, but it's there. 

post #85 of 399
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Originally Posted by Slickman View Post

 I really want to hear these headphones because I heard they smoke the LCD-2/LCD-3 easily except for the bass. 

Thats not what this thread claims... The LCD3's are better apparently and the majority rule. You must have "heard" they smoke them from an HE6 fanboy me thinks.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/610983/hifiman-he-6-vs-audeze-lcd-3

post #86 of 399
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

Thats not what this thread claims... The LCD3's are better apparently and the majority rule. You must have "heard" they smoke them from an HE6 fanboy me thinks.

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/610983/hifiman-he-6-vs-audeze-lcd-3

Well since the majority rules....rolleyes.gif

 

Many people prefer the HE6 to the LCD3

Many people prefer the LCD3 to the HE6

 

I haven't heard either but I perfer the HE500 by far over the LCD2 and all that means is that I prefer them, it doesn't mean one is better than the other. It certainly doesn't make me a fanboy.

post #87 of 399

At the LCD-3,LCD2.2,HE6,T1,HD800 level there is no best just preferred. For every person who preferes one another person will prefer another.

post #88 of 399
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Originally Posted by detoxguy View Post

Well since the majority rules....rolleyes.gif

 

Many people prefer the HE6 to the LCD3

Many people prefer the LCD3 to the HE6

 

I haven't heard either but I perfer the HE500 by far over the LCD2 and all that means is that I prefer them, it doesn't mean one is better than the other. It certainly doesn't make me a fanboy.

If you said they "smoked" them, then I would say you where a fanboy. Because its a rather silly statement.

post #89 of 399
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Originally Posted by nigeljames View Post

At the LCD-3,LCD2.2,HE6,T1,HD800 level there is no best just preferred. For every person who preferes one another person will prefer another.

Very true, I'd also add the HE500's in there aswell bigsmile_face.gif

post #90 of 399
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

Very true, I'd also add the HE500's in there aswell bigsmile_face.gif

 

 

These are 1K and above headphones.  Are you sure the HE-500 has a horse in this race?  I don't know, I'm just asking.

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