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Originally Posted by jsplice View Post

I was told by many others that the HE-6 really need a speaker amp to drive them to their full potential, but as I think it's a bit ridiculous to have to drive a pair of headphones with a speaker amp, 

 

 

All I can say about your ridiculous comment is "Don't knock it until you try it"  I use to think you the way you think.   But OH boy was I wrong.  By the way.  IMHO the LCD-2.2 can't touch the

HE-6 when it's driving correctly - and the Lyr "JUSY WON'T CUT IT" Sorry.  

 

Until you have actually heard the HE-6 on a "GOOD"  speaker amp.  You really can't comment.  

 

Just try it - then come back and give your impressions.


Edited by preproman - 9/17/12 at 5:59pm
post #47 of 406

There are headphones amps that do good enough for the HE-6 but does not drive them as well as they can. Speaker amps are more optimal but may not be as convenient after all who wants a speaker amp when you have a headphone unless you already have speakers in your house. The V200 which I consider pretty powerful has 2.7W into 50 ohms (or at least I believe the HE6 is 50 but could be mistaken) and was unable to drive them as well as a good quality speaker amp. The same goes for the Lyr but I also consider the Lyr a good step down from the V200.

 

The HE-6 is very good and very hard to beat if driven correctly but very few people are driving them correctly.

post #48 of 406
I think there are too many lcd2 fanboys who knock competitors but have no point of reference. Just this week, i had customers walk in needing headphone amps for their lcd2's, the first guy bought a nuforce hdp.. Not great but fair enough. But the second guy, oh my, i dont even know why he owns such high end headphones.In reference to the ef5 i was showing him, he said: "RCA? That's such a weird kind of plug".

I kind of died inside, i felt like i should of confiscated his phones. The audeze phones (especially lcd3) are fantastic, but i get this impression it's most of people's high-end upgrade due to lots of hype on this forum.

I'm sure i'm not the only one getting this vibe. I've bought a pair myself because of you guys! But it wasnt for me. The lcd3 on the other hand...
post #49 of 406

What the heck is RCA?

post #50 of 406
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Originally Posted by flaming_june View Post

What the heck is RCA?

Royal College of Audiophiles. rolleyes.gif

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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post

Royal College of Audiophiles. rolleyes.gif

interesting! so what is XLR rolleyes.gif

post #52 of 406
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

 

All I can say about your ridiculous comment is "Don't knock it until you try it"  I use to think you the way you think.   But OH boy was I wrong.  By the way.  IMHO the LCD-2.2 can't touch the

HE-6 when it's driving correctly - and the Lyr "JUSY WON'T CUT IT" Sorry.  

 

Until you have actually heard the HE-6 on a "GOOD"  speaker amp.  You really can't comment.  

 

Just try it - then come back and give your impressions.

 

+1. 

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Originally Posted by rawrster View Post

There are headphones amps that do good enough for the HE-6 but does not drive them as well as they can. Speaker amps are more optimal but may not be as convenient after all who wants a speaker amp when you have a headphone unless you already have speakers in your house. The V200 which I consider pretty powerful has 2.7W into 50 ohms (or at least I believe the HE6 is 50 but could be mistaken) and was unable to drive them as well as a good quality speaker amp. The same goes for the Lyr but I also consider the Lyr a good step down from the V200.

 

The HE-6 is very good and very hard to beat if driven correctly but very few people are driving them correctly.

 

I don't know the average full size component amp is roughly the size of most high end headphone amps.  It's taller, hotter, and heavier, but sitting on the shelf it takes roughly the same square inches of footprint.  It's just a really big headphone amp! biggrin.gif Ok, maybe it's not PC desk friendly....but then I run an AVR, 5.1 full size speakers and big 12" sub at the PC desk....much bigger than my HE-6 amp wink.gif

 

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Originally Posted by dleblanc343 View Post

I think there are too many lcd2 fanboys who knock competitors but have no point of reference. Just this week, i had customers walk in needing headphone amps for their lcd2's, the first guy bought a nuforce hdp.. Not great but fair enough. But the second guy, oh my, i dont even know why he owns such high end headphones.In reference to the ef5 i was showing him, he said: "RCA? That's such a weird kind of plug".
I kind of died inside, i felt like i should of confiscated his phones. The audeze phones (especially lcd3) are fantastic, but i get this impression it's most of people's high-end upgrade due to lots of hype on this forum.
I'm sure i'm not the only one getting this vibe. I've bought a pair myself because of you guys! But it wasnt for me. The lcd3 on the other hand...

 

LOL....can I guess what age group we're talking about when discussing someone with $1000 headphones buying amplifiers who's never seen an RCA jack before? rolleyes.gif  What has this planet come to....

 

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Originally Posted by xzobinx View Post

interesting! so what is XLR rolleyes.gif

 

Xpensive Left/Right connectors? blink.gif

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One was 17-19 and the other was about my age, 20-24
post #54 of 406
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Originally Posted by dleblanc343 View Post

I think there are too many lcd2 fanboys who knock competitors but have no point of reference. Just this week, i had customers walk in needing headphone amps for their lcd2's, the first guy bought a nuforce hdp.. Not great but fair enough. But the second guy, oh my, i dont even know why he owns such high end headphones.In reference to the ef5 i was showing him, he said: "RCA? That's such a weird kind of plug".
I kind of died inside, i felt like i should of confiscated his phones. The audeze phones (especially lcd3) are fantastic, but i get this impression it's most of people's high-end upgrade due to lots of hype on this forum.
I'm sure i'm not the only one getting this vibe. I've bought a pair myself because of you guys! But it wasnt for me. The lcd3 on the other hand...

I listened shortly to HD-800 (yours Dan), HE-6 (again yours), HE-500 (sighhhh...yours), TI and LCD-3.

 

HE-6 and LCD-3 are by far the best of the group FOR MY TASTE. After spending some more time last friday with the HE-6, I am not sure anymore if I can live with the extended (but definitly clean) treble of the HE-6 on long listening session. On my Bryston at least. This probably due to the lack of sufficient power to extract the full potential of the HE-6. Maybe I will sing another song if I ever had the chance to listen to the HE-6 with a good speaker amp. The LCD-3 will probably more suited for my taste. I agree with you, they are incredible phones.

 

BUT, I still adore my LCD-2r2. Incredible, fantastic bass (accuracy and slam), liquid midrange and a more than adequate treble for me. In fact I have no desire for a more extended treble. Did I say I love the bass of these? I listened closely to the differences in sound between the LCD-2r2 and LCD-3 and to me they nearly sounds the same. Not exactly the same but close. Really close. You can definitly guess that these phones are from the same manufacturer if you were blind. BUT the LCD-3 are a little bit more textured and refined. I would really like to have both pair to do a lenghty comparaison for some days. Because from my short time with the LCD-3, I certainly can't justified by no means the double in price. But THEY ARE BETTER (more accurate in a audiophile way) than the LCD-2r2. But more fun to listened to, hummmmm...not sure yet. 

 

All that to say Dan, that if there are some fan boys of LCD-2r2 on this forum, I clearly can see and hear why. It's just a matter of taste. For instance, I just can't believe the HD-800 are that much appreciated on this forum. Like I told you the other day, I find them so thin sounding. But I wouldn't bash the people who loves them. They certainly have their reasons and I accept that reality. To each his owns.

 

There are so much music genres in the world that I can't see a perfect headphone for all. I Even doubt the Stax 009 could be able to fill that task. The most important thing is to find the phones that will fit the most areas you are looking for in a pair of headphones.

 

And after a lot of comparaisons with other high-end phones, I am now absolutly and irrevocably certain that the Audeze sound is for me.

 

Now I have to find a pair of LCD-3 I can borrow. Benjamin are you there?


Edited by Lappy27 - 9/18/12 at 9:38pm
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Originally Posted by Lappy27 View Post

I listened shortly to HD-800 (yours Dan), HE-6 (again yours), HE-500 (sighhhh...yours), TI and LCD-3.

 

 

 

BUT, I still adore my LCD-2r2. Incredible, fantastic bass (accuracy and slam), liquid midrange and a more than adequate treble for me. In fact I have no desire for a more extended treble. Did I say I love the bass of these? I listened closely to the differences in sound between the LCD-2r2 and LCD-3 and to me they nearly sounds the same. Not exactly the same but close. Really close. You can definitly guess that these phones are from the same manufacturer if you were blind. BUT the LCD-3 are a little bit more textured and refined. I would really like to have both pair to do a lenghty comparaison for some days. Because from my short time with the LCD-3, I certainly can't justified by no means the double in price. But THEY ARE BETTER (more accurate in a audiophile way) than the LCD-2r2. But more fun to listened to, hummmmm...not sure yet. 

 

All that to say Dan, that if there are some fan boys of LCD-2r2 on this forum, I clearly can see and hear why. It's just a matter of taste. For instance, I just can't believe the HD-800 are that much appreciated on this forum. Like I told you the other day, I find them so thin sounding. But I wouldn't bash the people who loves them. They certainly have their reasons and I accept that reality. To each his owns.

 

Hey Lappy, I wasn't bashing the lcd2 itself, but rather the uneducated buyers who run them with horrible sources/amps (I've been seeing a few these days at Layton). To me it's a headphone that goes to waste.

 

Hell, your Bryston/ LCD2 sounded better than the HD800/HE-6 with the same amp and I can attest to that; and with the mjolnir I'd say the same from the little meet we did. It's especially good with the type of music you listen to. The synergy is pretty much spot on.

 

Also, Nico and I thought it would be cool if we can do (yes I know..) another small meet and finally get benjamin over; but not only that, also compare rattesp's burned in mjolnir vs the one I will have with zero burn in. Also by then the He-6 will have burned in as well (they only have about 6 hours as of now).


Edited by dleblanc343 - 9/18/12 at 10:54pm
post #56 of 406
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Originally Posted by flaming_june View Post

What the heck is RCA?

 

To be serious for a moment, it originally stood for Radio Corporation of America and eventually became synonymous with a type of plug--the most common type in the world probably. Are there really people who know what an RCA plug/socket is?

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Originally Posted by pp312 View Post

 

To be serious for a moment, it originally stood for Radio Corporation of America and eventually became synonymous with a type of plug--the most common type in the world probably. Are there really people who don't know what an RCA plug/socket is?

Fixed it smily_headphones1.gif

post #58 of 406
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Are there really people who don't know what an RCA plug/socket is?

Well, the customer who didn't know what rca was probably didn't know what it was for. Because when I showed him the rca in's on the back of the ef5, he said "oh yeah I've seen that before"; I was still startled by him not knowing what an actual rca plug is when he owns LCD-2's though.. He also said he thinks those are the kind of connectors on his headphone, and I instantly corrected him telling him they're mini-xlr's.

 

I have a lot of funny stories from where I work. One of the best involves a kid buying beats studios with money he snatched from his dad's wallet. Oh boy was it funny when he came back to the store with his dad!

post #59 of 406
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Originally Posted by cactus_farmer View Post

...or is it a bit like the Beyerdynamic DT880 and DT990 situation where even though the DT990 was ostensibly the 'flagship', the two were widely regarded as being more-or-less equal in quality. A similar situation could said to have existed with the Sennheiser HD600 and HD650.

 

I think I've read on here somewhere that people thought the HE-6 WAS a clear league above the HE-500, given proper amplification for both (obviously easier said than done with the HE-6), but the folks at InnerFidelity AND Headfonia have both rated the HE-500 HIGHER than the HE-6.

 

What do you think?

to answer the question in your thread subject: the HE6 are not a league above the HE-500 even when connected to an insanely good amplifier. The HE-6 are technically superior, more detailed, and faster especially in the bass department. OTH if you are listening to music, rather than equipment, the HE-500 may have the edge thanks to their beautiful mid-range tonality. So I'd say unless you are a rabid violin fan, or like to listen to cymbals and test tones, the HE-500 may be a better investment.

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In my case, when I was comparing the HE-500 and HE-6 side by side last week, the HE-6 still had it beat in the overall mids, especially the upper mids. The HE-500's are more musical, relaxing and have a nice warmth to them, but the HE-6 are just effortless. I'd say the HE-500 are a bit more emphasized in lower mids and lows (bloomy-er but not punchier) to sound musical; and I can understand the appeal, I sure loved them. But the HE-6 to me are just those few scales higher, they're as I just said, effortless when well amped. They're more transparent and thus more true to the recording, so any good recording is sure to sound better through this phone.

 

Of course, if you have some mp3 320's in your library, the forgiveness of the HE-500 can definitely make the choice between both phones harder. Like the lcd-2, the darker sound sig of the HE-500 are forgiving and kind of blend things together. Also in terms of soundstaging and imaging, the HE-500's are significantly more boxed in, especially in depth so the sound seems "fuller" and more  engaging/musical.. sort of.
 

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