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post #331 of 432
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Originally Posted by jerg View Post
 

The two are fundamentally quite distinct in their treble behaviour and I think that is enough to make people favour one over the other, and vise versa. In terms of other characteristics yes HE6 is superior. But we all know that the tonal balance / sound signature plays a HUGE role in whether or not one would like a pair of headphones, regardless of their finesse.

good point of view!

post #332 of 432

I also have the same Little Dot amp. Out of curiosity I swapped my first pair of HE-6 for an HE-500, which I thoroughly enjoyed, but at the end I  had to go back to the the HE-6. Lost quite a bit of cash in the process but I am still happy with my choice to this day.

The HE-500 is fantastic but the HE-6 is just magic. ;) 

 

PS: if money and space wasn't an issue I would probably own both.


Edited by zenpunk - 11/11/13 at 1:34pm
post #333 of 432

Before reading this thread in detail, my unbiased opinion is yes if you can select the proper amp. It's not about how much money you spend, just about what amp you choose to run it with. It likes 5w, and in the balanced amps, you can get that per channel sometimes. HE-6 just has the transparency that almost gives it a different signature from it's brethren almost entirely. I like the headphones, the price isn't THAT bad considering it's pretty much Hifiiman's end of the line product and it can compete quite healthily I might add, with the others with more expensive rigs as well.

post #334 of 432
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Originally Posted by Chris_Himself View Post
 the price isn't THAT bad considering it's pretty much Hifiiman's end of the line product and it can compete quite healthily I might add, with the others with more expensive rigs as well.

i´m glad to read this.

in my opinion the he-6 has the best Q/P relationship in the high-end headphones segment

post #335 of 432
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Originally Posted by alota View Post
 

i´m glad to read this.

in my opinion the he-6 has the best Q/P relationship in the high-end headphones segment

 

It's like if Sixmoons can tell you openly in a review the HD800 and T1 get beat by LCD-2 and HE-500, and the HE-6 is the flagship.. doesn't that make it the best of the best by their logic then?

post #336 of 432
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Originally Posted by Chris_Himself View Post
 

 

It's like if Sixmoons can tell you openly in a review the HD800 and T1 get beat by LCD-2 and HE-500, and the HE-6 is the flagship.. doesn't that make it the best of the best by their logic then?

right!

post #337 of 432
I absolutely adore the HE-6 and the HE-500, but I feel like the statements of "they are a massive league over eachother" are completely false. Maybe 12:10, not like 12:6, performance wise.
post #338 of 432

At this level, its just too costly for me to buy the he-500...

i know myself, my soul wont rest until i get the HE-6. 

All other technical reasons are powerless againt THE FORCE.

I must submit...

 

 

u too.....?

 

:veryevil:

post #339 of 432
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Originally Posted by Austin Morrow View Post

I absolutely adore the HE-6 and the HE-500, but I feel like the statements of "they are a massive league over eachother" are completely false. Maybe 12:10, not like 12:6, performance wise.

 

Where was the word massive ever used?  

post #340 of 432
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post
 

 

Where was the word massive ever used?  

 

It wasn't sorry, but there are a ton of posts that are eccentric. I know the ratio was used though, 12:6.

post #341 of 432
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Originally Posted by Austin Morrow View Post
 

 

It wasn't sorry, but there are a ton of posts that are eccentric. I know the ratio was used though, 12:6.

I think the word you are looking for is hyperbole.

 

The performance difference is probably even less than 12:10 on absolute levels. But objective improvement vs subjective enjoyment has never been a linear correlation in audio. Extremely small amounts of obj improvement especially in high-end audio always tend to bring a great deal more appreciation/enjoyment out of the listener.

post #342 of 432

Being able to calculate (HE6 / HE500), can we also calculate (HE500 / Sennheiser HD650) ?

post #343 of 432

I own both the HE-500 and the HE-6, actually started out with the HE-6 and then by coincidence got the chance to audition a 500 for a week.  Ended up purchasing it too and -flog me- actually prefer the sound of the 500 on my setup and with the music I listen to to the HE-6.

 

The music, btw is almost exclusively classical, vocal (cantata, mass) and chamber music + some concerto's and organ music.  I'm typing this listening to Bach's concerto for 2 violins in D- and the music just flows in a glorious way. 

 

To my ears the HE-500 is very slightly less detailed than the 6, with a bass extension that doesn't reach quite as deep and treble that doesn't extend as far as the 6.  But  the 500 wins in the midrange which to me sounds more engaged and what I'd call warm-neutral.  The 500 has an overall darker sig than the 6 and is more forgiving regarding source quality. On the 6 I find the treble to be a bit too accentuated at times.

 

We're not talking massive differences here; objective quantification is impossible but if I'd have to hazard a guess then I'd say that in terms of raw performance the 500 gets you to 90-95% of what the 6 is capable of.

 

If you're hesitating between both then the only advice I can offer is that you absolutely should audition both but -imperatively- if at all possible with the music type(s) you listen to and on the DAC/AMP combo which you'll be using.  There really is no point in trekking to a store and comparing them on a different DAC/AMP from what you have at home.

 

Especially the 6 need either a seriously powerful headphone amp or a good quality speaker amp if you want to exploit their potential to the fullest (and unless you want to do just that there's no point in preferring them over the 500). This has been discussed ad nauseam in other threads.

 

In general and if you prefer the HE-6 sound signature I'd say that if you're starting from scratch  it makes sense to consider building your entire setup around them.  If you already have some gear you've got some hard thinking to do to decide if those potential extra 5-10% absolute performance are worth a) the extra cost of the cans and b) the cost of potentially upgrading your gear.  Unless you can answer both questions with a resounding 'yes' I'd strongly advise going with the HE-500.  From a strictly price/quality point of view the 500 win but it's a well known fact that at this level an incrementally smaller improvement requires an exponentially higher investment.

 

Note that the above makes abstraction of the cans' respective sound signature, you might very well prefer the 500 over the 6 or vice versa on sound signature basis alone, all other things being equal.  That's the case with me, I prefer the 500.

 

To put things into perspective:  I also own the Sennheiser HD-800 and though those are very good (unbeatable soundstage and detail resolution) I prefer both the HE-500 and HE-6 to them for most types of classical music I listen to.

post #344 of 432
Great review. Thank you for taking the time to do that. I have the HE-500's. Never heard the HE-6. But I am not up to the commitment it would take to max out the HE-6. I am a satisfied HE-500 owner.
post #345 of 432
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Originally Posted by Xenophon View Post
 

I own both the HE-500 and the HE-6, actually started out with the HE-6 and then by coincidence got the chance to audition a 500 for a week.  Ended up purchasing it too and -flog me- actually prefer the sound of the 500 on my setup and with the music I listen to to the HE-6.

 

The music, btw is almost exclusively classical, vocal (cantata, mass) and chamber music + some concerto's and organ music.  I'm typing this listening to Bach's concerto for 2 violins in D- and the music just flows in a glorious way.

 

To my ears the HE-500 is very slightly less detailed than the 6, with a bass extension that doesn't reach quite as deep and treble that doesn't extend as far as the 6.  But  the 500 wins in the midrange which to me sounds more engaged and what I'd call warm-neutral.  The 500 has an overall darker sig than the 6 and is more forgiving regarding source quality. On the 6 I find the treble to be a bit too accentuated at times.

 

We're not talking massive differences here; objective quantification is impossible but if I'd have to hazard a guess then I'd say that in terms of raw performance the 500 gets you to 90-95% of what the 6 is capable of.

 

If you're hesitating between both then the only advice I can offer is that you absolutely should audition both but -imperatively- if at all possible with the music type(s) you listen to and on the DAC/AMP combo which you'll be using.  There really is no point in trekking to a store and comparing them on a different DAC/AMP from what you have at home.

 

Especially the 6 need either a seriously powerful headphone amp or a good quality speaker amp if you want to exploit their potential to the fullest (and unless you want to do just that there's no point in preferring them over the 500). This has been discussed ad nauseam in other threads.

 

In general and if you prefer the HE-6 sound signature I'd say that if you're starting from scratch  it makes sense to consider building your entire setup around them.  If you already have some gear you've got some hard thinking to do to decide if those potential extra 5-10% absolute performance are worth a) the extra cost of the cans and b) the cost of potentially upgrading your gear.  Unless you can answer both questions with a resounding 'yes' I'd strongly advise going with the HE-500.  From a strictly price/quality point of view the 500 win but it's a well known fact that at this level an incrementally smaller improvement requires an exponentially higher investment.

 

Note that the above makes abstraction of the cans' respective sound signature, you might very well prefer the 500 over the 6 or vice versa on sound signature basis alone, all other things being equal.  That's the case with me, I prefer the 500.

 

To put things into perspective:  I also own the Sennheiser HD-800 and though those are very good (unbeatable soundstage and detail resolution) I prefer both the HE-500 and HE-6 to them for most types of classical music I listen to.

i completely agree with you.

you forgot one thing: the price of the he-500 which is an incentive for the choice

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