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Originally Posted by erikfreedom View Post

I have both headphones. I have had the he 500 for a month. the he 6 for a couple days now. I power them with a schiit lyr. the volume on the lyr is always maxed. i have electro harmonix 6922 tubes. they are inexpensive, good sounding and make no noise at all. dead silent. the volume on my computer goes rarely above 30. it can go to 100. at 30 my skull want to crack. i have heard on this forum people saying that the lyr was not an optimal choice for the he 6. i d'ont know what is an optimal choice, but what i know is that the lyr does an admirable job with this beast of an headphone. i have enough volume room to explode my brain.

 

i prefer the he 6 and not by a small margin at all. by a huge margin. eventually i will learn more about speaker amplifiers and i will go that route, as many people here have done. i am very tempted by a cary audio sli 80. i love the sound of tube amps. i wanted to buy a smaller tube amp but some people have discouraged me telling me that the amp in question might be underpowered.

 

Good to hear you prefer the HE6 to the HE500; that's a relief. Knowing just how good the HE500 is that is a real compliment to its big brother. I haven't heard the HE6 yet to be able to compare it to the 500, but I may be able to hear it at a local meet sometime next month.

For the Lyr, if you are using the volume maxed out, it may be best to actually max out the volume for your computer and then control the listening volume with the Lyr. This is the best way to listen to bit-perfect (or as near to it) music with as little degradation as possible.

Oh yeah, once you get into speaker amps it would be interesting to find out how much of a difference there would be between the 500 and the HE6.

post #272 of 381
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Originally Posted by Terja View Post

 

Good to hear you prefer the HE6 to the HE500; that's a relief. Knowing just how good the HE500 is that is a real compliment to its big brother. I haven't heard the HE6 yet to be able to compare it to the 500, but I may be able to hear it at a local meet sometime next month.

For the Lyr, if you are using the volume maxed out, it may be best to actually max out the volume for your computer and then control the listening volume with the Lyr. This is the best way to listen to bit-perfect (or as near to it) music with as little degradation as possible.

Oh yeah, once you get into speaker amps it would be interesting to find out how much of a difference there would be between the 500 and the HE6.

i prefer to have the amp volume maxed because it gives me a sound i like more. and a better sound. when the sound of the computer is maxed it is not as lively and detailed and it lacks dynamics. particularly the highs and bass puch. bass punch on the he 6 on certain trance tracks is almost frightening. these headphones have tremendous bass. 

 

if you got the money, d'ont waste your time with the he 500 and go straight to the he 6. i have a friend who has not much money and i will give him the he 500 as a gift.

post #273 of 381
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Originally Posted by Terja View Post

 

Good to hear you prefer the HE6 to the HE500; that's a relief. Knowing just how good the HE500 is that is a real compliment to its big brother. I haven't heard the HE6 yet to be able to compare it to the 500, but I may be able to hear it at a local meet sometime next month.

For the Lyr, if you are using the volume maxed out, it may be best to actually max out the volume for your computer and then control the listening volume with the Lyr. This is the best way to listen to bit-perfect (or as near to it) music with as little degradation as possible.

Oh yeah, once you get into speaker amps it would be interesting to find out how much of a difference there would be between the 500 and the HE6.

 

Bass and soundstage/imaging mainly. But gap between headphones doesn't magically widen with better amping - just saying. Both the 500 and the 6 scale pretty high. I wouldn't worry much about Watt/Power either. The 6 is insensitive, but it sure as hell doesn't need 100W Monoblocks to drive them. They rather need quality power more than quantity.

 

I wouldn't say I prefer the 6 to the 500 by a "huge" margin or gap this gap that. But given the choice, I'd always pay the extra for the 6 everytime wink.gif

post #274 of 381
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Originally Posted by khaine1711 View Post

 

Bass and soundstage/imaging mainly. But gap between headphones doesn't magically widen with better amping - just saying. Both the 500 and the 6 scale pretty high. I wouldn't worry much about Watt/Power either. The 6 is insensitive, but it sure as hell doesn't need 100W Monoblocks to drive them. They rather need quality power more than quantity.

 

I wouldn't say I prefer the 6 to the 500 by a "huge" margin or gap this gap that. But given the choice, I'd always pay the extra for the 6 everytime wink.gif

 

Mmm ... you've almost tipped the scales for me. I'm really enjoying my HE500 but it sounds like the HE6 would add another layer to what I'm hearing. Will report in when I get a chance to audition it.

post #275 of 381

Agree with the computer vol not maxed = dropped bits. Lowering your volume on the PC is considerably lowering your dynamic range. Listening to 6 bit audio to compare the HE500 to HE6 isn't valid and made me troll snicker.

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erikfreedom View Post

I power them with a schiit lyr. the volume on the lyr is always maxed. the volume on my computer goes rarely above 30. it can go to 100. at 30 my skull want to crack.

 

If you really want to get the best sound out of your computer setup, keep the computer audio at 100 and control the volume with the Lyr.

Reducing the volume reduces the bit depth of the output, giving you less precise audio from the source.

Also, in case you didn't know, voltage is volume and amperage is power. The Lyr will output the same amperage regardless of the volume (which is just how electricity works), and will power the headphones the same regardless of volume.

post #277 of 381

The HE-500 is a great headphone for the money.  Very balanced sound, top to bottom.  Maybe that is the case with most HE series?

I think the HE-6 is a better headphone "IF" you have a good amp to power them.  If underpowered, they will probably dissapoint.

 

Oh by the way, I sold the LCD3's this week.  In my system, the HE-6 offered the best sound.


Edited by CorvetteGarage - 4/25/13 at 3:27pm
post #278 of 381
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Originally Posted by CorvetteGarage View Post

The HE-500 is a great headphone for the money.  Very balanced sound, top to bottom.  Maybe that is the case with most HE series?

I think the HE-6 is better headphone "IF" you have a good amp to power them.  If underpowered, they will probably dissapoint.

 

Oh by the way, I sold the LCD3's this week.  In my system, the HE-6 offered the best sound.

With the Darkstar? I bet! beerchug.gif

post #279 of 381

I've been running the He-6 off the Emotiva Mini x-a100 and it sounds marvelous. I had a couple of friends who came over and had about a 2hour Listening Session with me comparing the He-500 vs the He-6, Of course they aren't audiophiles. But one of my friends actually felt he liked the HE-500 alot more. So in general i guess that means it fits his sound signature more. My other friends of course all said the HE-6 dominates the He-500. I disagree, i think they are close, but the He-6 does seem more athletic and more refined to my ear. I dont think the He-6 is in a league above the He-500, for $1299 + the Extra money to find a Good Synergy Amp will bump up the price more of you dont have one .


The HE-6 in my opinion is only worth $1,000. Heck i even find the LCD-2 to throw some pretty good jab's at the HE-6 also. The He-500 of course deserves it's $699 Price and i honestly believe it can compete with alot of higher priced headphones than it. I made a mistake of buying the Grado Ps1000's earlier this year, Literally the He-500 kicked it's ass. the Ps1000's did sound good, but the HE-500 seemed way more versatile. Shipped the Grado PS1000's back to amazon and immediately bought the HE-6

 

I would like to hear how the HD800 fairs up against the HE-6 and HE-500. But that's another issue of finding the perfect amp for it. I'm happy with the He-6 and it's my favorite headphone. The He-6 does offer a better sound to my ears than any headphone i own.


Edited by Poetic - 5/1/13 at 1:24pm
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Once you amp them up they're much better than the 500. With the Emotiva I could understand why people aren't impressed by the 6 (closed in, -3db treble and not good imaging) - I've been there tongue_smile.gif.

 

That's the thing with most expensive headphones though. Hd800 + Mstage will not sound 5x better than a Hd600 (aside from the huge soundstage of course); Lcd3+o2 is not 2x better than lcd2. However once you feed them with a good chain, they'll scale much better than their lower counter part. I think you get what you pay for, at least with headphone in this hobby. For the flagship, you pay the extra for the ability to scale, and like you said, refinement. Also, MSRP is terrible, better to buy used =p.

 

You should try the Hd800 + Mstage; and do try Staxes too bigsmile_face.gif. Don't be put off by the amping requirement, they will still sound good from the puny amp, albeit not as good as the megabuck amp.


Edited by khaine1711 - 5/1/13 at 1:53pm
post #281 of 381

WOW,

 

Haven't been to this thread in a while.  Yeah the HE-6 is a great headphone, So are the other HiFiMans - HE-500, HE-5LE, HE-4, HE-400.  I much prefer the HE-6 though.  It's just able to scale higher than any of the others.  

 

The Emotiva a-100 is a great starter amp for the HE-6, much better than the Lyr IMO.  However, they're still much better amps out there the HE-6 will benefit from. Not because of GOBS of power either.  The quality of amps is more important IMO..

 

Yeah - to the person who using the PC volume control.  What everyone else has been saying,  Max it out on the PC and use an analog volume control if possible.  

post #282 of 381

Is the Dark Star that much worth it ? if so i will invest in the dark star and report back.

post #283 of 381
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Originally Posted by Poetic View Post

Is the Dark Star that much worth it ? if so i will invest in the dark star and report back.

If you like its looks enough, sure. If not, there are better options.

post #284 of 381
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Originally Posted by paradoxper View Post

If you like its looks enough, sure. If not, there are better options.

It's either get a new amp or Get the HD800, Do you have any amp suggestions to invest in the $2,000 range ?


Edited by Poetic - 6/4/13 at 3:39pm
post #285 of 381
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Originally Posted by Poetic View Post

It's either get a new amp or Get the HD800, Do you have any amp suggestions to invest in the $2,000 range ?

I'd second this. Or Stax.

 

Buying a 2k amplifier without audition isn't good, especially more so when you're not too convinced that the He-6 is worth its price for you. If you want to move up from the Emotiva, try looking around for vintage receivers (Pioneer/Marantz/Sansui/Kenwood ...etc)- quite cheap and most of the time you can get back the cost if you don't like it.

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