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post #16 of 28
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also the other pair i was looking at, as-charms, are 150ohms. those would need amping right?

post #17 of 28
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Originally Posted by cradle emperor View Post

also the other pair i was looking at, as-charms, are 150ohms. those would need amping right?


Yep - looks like it.  Earbuds are foreign territory for me.  Following threads may help:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/531063/earbud-guide-12-earbuds-compared

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/524682/sunrise-audio-impressions-of-as-charm-and-as-feeling-earbuds-and-sw-xcape-canalphone-iem

 

Just so you know how I found these two threads - I looked up the Sunrise Audio Charm product page (http://www.head-fi.org/products/sunrise-audio-charm) - then looked for related thread.  You can also do a simple search.

 

BTW - not trying to stop you asking - just pointing the way as it's nice to know these things in case you don't get immediate answers wink.gif

post #18 of 28
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I have read your comments - many times.  I was actually tossing up whether to say anything or not -in the end, I felt I had to.  For reference, I owned E7 and E9.  I currently own E11.  Rest of gear is in my sig and profile.  I've also been lucky enough in trips to NY to spend time at J&R demoing quite a few cans.

 

 


I see most people just posting opinions on what they hear on head-fi so i just went along with it. But yes, i get what you are saying. I usually just try to combine everything you have ever heard like in the real world and compile it for the newbies. And yeah, i'm slowing down and stuff. and thanks for speaking out, penting something you want to rant about isn't good either.

 

i just shortened the post quote. i didn't want that whole thing filling up the space, no mean to disrespect by shortening it (some people might think i didn't care for the rest of it and just shortened it to a specific part i wanted to quote; not so)

 

 

i was mainly trying to do what Duggey stated

 

 

duggey statement (Click to show)

 

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There is a natural tendency for those who are enthusiastic to contribute here to throw in posts whenever the opportunity presents itself. To repeat information that they have previously read, opinions that they think generally shared, state what they think obvious, is easy enough, and done with great regularity.

Posting about equipment I have not heard is not something that I believe I have done (I certainly hope that I do not do it). And I also tend to withhold my opinions when they do not fit the modus of the inquiry. For example, someone asks a typical question like:

"Which is the best, HD650, K701 or DT990?"

I have not heard the DT990 (properly). However there are times when I have made this clear, and then pointed out that between the K701 and HD650, I prefer the HD650. In situations such as this, I think that is is far less common for people to give recommendations if they have not heard the equipment at all. However it is perhaps sometimes done by those who may have heard the HD600, K501 and DT880, and/or some down-from-the-flagships selection from these manufacturers.

People who are keen to post and contribute, and may in fact only have experience with the PX100, SR-60, KSC75 and RP-21 (or less) will want to share with others the enjoyment they have gained from these headphones, and so will shout out about them in response to any question that they think might apply. (Like "What is the best cheap can for rap?"). They like rap music, they have heard the RP-21 and the PX100 and they prefer the RP-21 because it has more bass, thus they shout it out as being what the person should get. In doing so that person will gain the enjoyment that the poster already enjoys.

The problem, so it seems to me, is based in two factors:

1)The first is the keen attitude or over-enthusiasm of members here with limited experience to post based out of that enthusiasm rather than out of a greater experience or knowledge.

2)The second factor is that such context is not provided in most such posts.

So it can be difficult or impossible (unless the poster is a well known head-fier, in which case that still doesn't matter to a site newbie, or one-off question asker, although they will probably give a degree of respect to answers to their question which come from those which higher post counts.) for the person asking to actually know who speaks from experience, and if they do, the degree and nature of that experience. Articulating such information with every post is of course, tiresome.

"Ay, and there's the rub."

One can post rules and guidelines regarding purchases and inquiries at any level of individual experience, as such information can be gathered simply from reading material that already exists, and has been established over time by many people.

For example: The K1000 needs a speaker amp. Sure its a fabulous headphone, and it can sound flabbergastingly good, but that isn't something that comes out of the box, you need the ancillary equipment. If you need a rig and you have $1100. And you spend $1000 on the K1000. Then you may be very disappointed in running it from a T-Amp.

Same can be said for many headphones. Substitute K1000 for HE60 and T-Amp for HEV70.

One should though, refrain from individual specific recommendations within these contexts if this is the only knowledge that the person has. Giving the big thumbs up to the Aleph 30 over the Firstwatt F1 in the K1000 example. When you do not in fact know the difference, is bad.

The people asking the questions should of course, do more than just surface reading and opinion seeking on any question they have. That is simply basic research.

But I agree with the thrust of your point. That there are bad, or certainly naive or inexperienced recommendations being made on head-fi. However I do think that the voice of those who do know better does shine through when those people contribute. Their posts tend to be longer, more in-depth and simply more articulate and this is what gives them power.

I disagree though, that those without personal experience should not repeat what is simply commonly known information, your example being that the HD650 is bassier than the HD600. What they should not do is try to say which is better for a given situation.
 

 

 

but yes i get what you mean


Edited by bowei006 - 1/19/12 at 1:49pm
post #19 of 28

If you're going to get something that will need extra amping (portable) + also want the DAC (computer) - you may need to look first at E7 which will do both.  Only downside is that E7 sound can be a little thin (mind you I prefer a warmer signature [neutral with a touch of warmth in the mids] - so that could be my bias).  Good detail though.

 

The DAC on the E7 is not bad at all.  The amp is not overly powerful - but should do 150 ohm no problem - depending on the sensitivity.  Would pay to check first though if you are definitely going with the Sunrise.

post #20 of 28
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post


I see most people just posting opinions on what they hear on head-fi so i just went along with it. But yes, i get what you are saying. I usually just try to combine everything you have ever heard like in the real world and compile it for the newbies. And yeah, i'm slowing down and stuff. and thanks for speaking out, penting something you want to rant about isn't good either.

 

i just shortened the post quote. i didn't want that whole thing filling up the space, no mean to disrespect by shortening it (some people might think i didn't care for the rest of it and just shortened it to a specific part i wanted to quote; not so)

 

 

i was mainly trying to do what Duggey stated

 

 

but yes i get what you mean


Hey no problem.  The only issue I have is that you have no reference point.  If you don't own an amp at all - then you are starting from less than zero - so it's really hard to recommend anything.  What I'd suggest is start small and get some experience.  It gets expensive - but if you buy and sell - wisely, you can slowly work your way up.  Try to own 2-3 at a time, and take notes - that way you have a reference for helping people later.

 

Be prepared to really change your POV as well wink.gif.  I look back on my earlier reviews when I was quite green and enthusiastic - and now I am a lot more cautious and realistic.  When I started, I thought a lot of portable amps gave the famous "night and day" contrast.  When you start volume matching and really listening, you realise that a lot of the time, the benefits are pretty small - especially for the added bulk.  I still like my E11 - but a lot of the time I don't use it.  I rarely use it for IEMs - no real benefit.  Bass-boost is nice for my MS1is though.

 

All I'm suggesting is to keep the enthusiasm - but don;t recommend until you've heard the gear.  Instead point them to the threads of those who actually have.  The biggest problem with Head-fi still (IMO) is the number of posters who haven't heard the gear, and still continue to recommend as though they have.

post #21 of 28
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post


Hey no problem.  The only issue I have is that you have no reference point.  If you don't own an amp at all - then you are starting from less than zero - so it's really hard to recommend anything.  What I'd suggest is start small and get some experience.  It gets expensive - but if you buy and sell - wisely, you can slowly work your way up.  Try to own 2-3 at a time, and take notes - that way you have a reference for helping people later.

 

Be prepared to really change your POV as well wink.gif.  I look back on my earlier reviews when I was quite green and enthusiastic - and now I am a lot more cautious and realistic.  When I started, I thought a lot of portable amps gave the famous "night and day" contrast.  When you start volume matching and really listening, you realise that a lot of the time, the benefits are pretty small - especially for the added bulk.  I still like my E11 - but a lot of the time I don't use it.  I rarely use it for IEMs - no real benefit.  Bass-boost is nice for my MS1is though.

 

All I'm suggesting is to keep the enthusiasm - but don;t recommend until you've heard the gear.  Instead point them to the threads of those who actually have.  The biggest problem with Head-fi still (IMO) is the number of posters who haven't heard the gear, and still continue to recommend as though they have.



I do own an amp >_< and i have noted stuff from it, I have made my own quasi amps and other things. My E5 and LOD just broke 2 months ago. when that happened i went online, and spent countless hours, before i knew it. i learned a lot about amps below $200 from many people. So far i have recommended the e11 many times and from PM's seem to be exactly what tey are looking for. but again. i know what you mean. what if i was wrong. i should get a refrence to choose from.

 

and yeah that night and day comment. i realized that a while ago and it was a OMG moment . it was while i was on head-fi. and i noticed. that not only does the amp does stuff. it makes these small changes that most regular head-fi'ers will only notice when they remove and go without an amp.

 

I usually tend to paraphrase a review or soemthing i have heard form someone. every now and then. like 30%of the time i will link to a thread that has what the person is looking for. this past week, i have been adding words like i have not heard this before if you read all my other ones. as of this moment, I am just going to do some light browsig of full size and portable amp section of the forums and like you said. point people; not often. i am mainly gonna be here from now on for the anime thread me and another co founded a little over a month ago. :) 

and yea

post #22 of 28
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post

 

All I'm suggesting is to keep the enthusiasm - but don;t recommend until you've heard the gear.  Instead point them to the threads of those who actually have.  The biggest problem with Head-fi still (IMO) is the number of posters who haven't heard the gear, and still continue to recommend as though they have.


Quoted for truth. This is the generally accepted rule of the head-fi forums.

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Or this format:` I have tried .........and think.......so I recommend.......` and ` I have NOT tried..........but other  head-fiers recommend .......`  - be clear.


Edited by ExpatinJapan - 1/19/12 at 4:03pm
post #23 of 28
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Originally Posted by ExpatinJapan View Post


Quoted for truth. This is the generally accepted rule of the head-fi forums.

______________________________________________________________

 

Or this format:` I have tried .........and think.......so I recommend.......` and ` I have NOT tried..........but other  head-fiers recommend .......`  - be clear.



...that's what i have been doing. i think i should bold them so the reader knows from know on :/

post #24 of 28
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Originally Posted by bowei006 View Post



...that's what i have been doing. i think i should bold them so the reader knows from know on :/

My last post on this matter.

For example read your own first post in this very thread. Like other threads you have posted in it leans strongly towards the image that you actually have tried and have clear knowledge of what you are recommending, which is misleading.
 

 

 

post #25 of 28
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Originally Posted by ExpatinJapan View Post

My last post on this matter.

For example read your own first post in this very thread. Like other threads you have posted in it leans strongly towards the image that you actually have tried and have clear knowledge of what you are recommending, which is misleading.
 

 

 


That's a good idea to do. but yes. im starting from now on. can't blame a noob to head-fi's inner workings now.

 

post #26 of 28
Thread Starter 

ook im sorry to barge in to your friendly chat biggrin.gif but i trimmed down my choices to this, now including cans

 

E10  + pk3/mx580   around  $130

 

E10 + E6 + AS Shine           $200

 

E17 + AS Shine                    $237

 

I know the cost disparity is kinda 'wtf'. its all within budget, so its the same question I asked in the beginning: which is better value?

 

keeping in mind that i want to stick to buds, and that i plan on making this my first and only audio upgrade.

post #27 of 28

Ask user swbf2cheater 

 

He's tested a lot of buds including the two you mentioned.  PM him.  he can give you specialised help.  I'm an IEM or full sized can user (can't stand buds sorry).  Work out the buds/cans first - then decide on amps etc depending on what you decide.

post #28 of 28
Thread Starter 

alright ill do just that. thanks for all the help

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