Originally Posted by Hixxy1
I know this question has been asked before, but I've done a bit of Googling and can't seem to find the answers to some of my questions, so I'm hoping you guys may be able to help....
First, a bit of background info. I recently invested in a pair of ATH M50's. This is my first foray into the world of (quality) headphones and I am now discovering that it's not as simple as 'buy a good pair of phones and get great sound from my laptop'. In fact, I at first thought my new purchase may be faulty as they didn't sound anywhere near as good as I expected. Then I tried them on my iPod. Suddenly, they sound a lot better! Then I tried them in my home amp with a direct CD source via optical cable and realised why everyone rates the M50's so highly!
So, having experienced how good my phones can sound, I want to ensure I'm able to reproduce that sound when using them with my laptop or iPod. It would seem a headphone amp is the way to go.
I don't intend on using my phones a hell of a lot (maybe a couple of times a week), so want to keep costs to a minimum. Having said that, I don't mind investing the money if there's a noticeable difference and I'm anticipating this is something I could get quite into so may end up listening through the phones more often than I'm expecting!
So, I'm pretty much decided on Fiio as there doesn't seem to be anything else out there that comes close in terms of quality for the price. What I can't decide on is which amp to go for.
My main questions are:
- When just using as an amplifier, is there a noticeable quality difference between the 3 amps?
- Is it worth investing the extra money for the E7's DAC?
- Does the E7 work as a DAC when connected to an iPod using a LOD?
I guess the bottom line is - is the E11 worth twice as much as the E6? And, does the E7's DAC warrant the additional money? As I said, I'm no audiophile. I'm just trying to get the most out of my new headphones. Going by current prices, I can get an E6 for less than £20. An E11 is around £40 and an E7 is around £50.
Appreciate any and all responses....
haha. fiio is indeed for you :) u've learned right as there really isn't much out there that can match the universality of their amps.
There is a big noticeble differnece amongst all 3 amps. i would not recommend the E6. Not worth it, since it limites upgradability and the E11 is a better choice. more later on this.
Is a DAC worth money? Do you have lossless tracks? or...can afford? oh yes. is the E7 worth it? Not really anymore...well sure but most would run to the E17. More later.
No, the E7 will not bypass the ipod's DAC using an LOD.. the LOD only bypasses the amp(which is already great)
IS the E11 worth twice as much as the E6?.....no. it's worth about 3X as much. The E11 brings you into the leagues. it's in use for headphone head fier's up to the sub $400 range(minus high Ohm Beyer's) so it gives you the upgradability you need and that great sound you would expect for more. If you are just looking for something that is great. use this with an LOD. great sound! I recommend buying the FiiO L9 with the E11. The L3 can also be used but the L shape of the L9 works great with an E11 or any other. The cheaper fiio lod is not recommended. it's cable is not nearly as good as the L9 or L3's HPC-22W wire.
I would recommend the new E17 if you used your headphones more and would liek better stuff but you don't. No. the E7 isn't really worth it for you. it's more for use as an upgrade for computers. The DAC in it will not provide you a noticeable upgrade from your ipod's (belive it or not but ipod's and iphone's use pretty good DAC's.) if you think your computer audio is lacking and want to make an investment now after reading. the E17 is for you. it combines the strenths of the E11 with the E10 and E7 all together into one. The E7 speicalizes in upgrading ur cmputers sound with the option of using it as a portable amp when out. The E10 is desktop only and has won many head fier's with it's great price to performance. The E11 is more or less THE go to amp on head fi with so many owning it. The E17 has all the strengths of these. however it is $150 USD (probably going to be 120 Euro for you)
So all in all. I recommend the FiiO E11 and L9 LOD for you. Be sure to use some lossless CD ripped tracks(do not go converting your mp3's on ur ocmputer to ALAC or FLAC. tht is a noob mistake and doesn't increase quality at all) If you don't know how yet. You can rip your CD's with itunes into ALAC (apple lossless audio codec) if you odn't know how. ask me and i can give you step by step insturctions. after this you can sync with your ipod. plug the E11 and LOD in. plug ur M50's in. and try to remind yourself...what you have been missing all this time :)
Sorry for the late responce on Head-Fi. most threads. espeically an easy one like this gets answerd in less than an hour. I was here on this part of the forums all day but i guess i missed it :) any questions? since this is going to be at the top of my notifications list i can reply pretty quickly :)
And in case u didn't you didn't get this yet.
Welcome to Head-Fi! Sorry about your wallet!
Edit: I have just viewed your other thread. And I would like to say that burn in and no amping could fix this. However if you still think the bass isn't enough I have a conclusion for that. That would be different interpretations of what bass is. Audiophile bass and consumer bass is so different it's not even funny. Consumers want that mudddy. wub Wub boom boom pow bam destroy destroy type of bass. That's not....well real bass as we audiophiles like to say. Audiophile bass is tight, punchy, and concise. just enough and not overpowering :)
Plz don't be discouraged by what happened to this post. It took me (or anyone)almsot a business day to respond..kinda rare but it happens. I really like how your format your posts with care, keep it clear and concise and say what you want and what you did. you don't get these often at all. Keep up the good work. Some may not tell you or point it out so i would like to. How you do your posts is fantastic. it lets us that want to help know more about wht you want and how to really help you :)
Edited by bowei006 - 1/15/12 at 10:37pm