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post #31 of 44
1/17/12 at 6:03pm
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Originally Posted by bcg27 View Post

5W into 50 ohms. That is about 30 W into 8 ohms (assuming it isn't current limited at that impedance), which is where I believe the 15 W came from.



And over 200w at 1 ohm. Context is everything and the 15w figure quoted here is attached to a quoted 133db output. Which is great if you need headphone-shaped speakers for your room. Let's be serious, you can attach whatever amp you want to these headphones and use maybe a couple of percent of its capacity. That's fine if overkill is your thing. What I've seen in this thread, and elsewhere on this forum, is the derision of everything other than overkill, to the extent where purchasing decisions are influenced by such foolishness because people are told that overkill and a guaranteed 120db+ output is the only way to go. That anything else doesn't allow for the full realization of some mystical potential.

 

Please forgive this furtherance of the ampy digression.

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post #32 of 44
1/17/12 at 6:12pm

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...but it is etiquette to at least keep to the topic.


Seems like basic etiquette is too much to ask, Kernmac.

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post #33 of 44
1/17/12 at 6:17pm

Respectfully, sphinxvc, you were the one who brought up amping in the first place.

 

edit: netiquette is a wide and varied beast with many backs. I've taken the rest of this convo for a ride elsewhere.


Edited by anetode - 1/17/12 at 6:59pm
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post #34 of 44
1/17/12 at 6:40pm

Basic etiquette in action: PM sent.  I hope you understand why I did not respond to your "that's bull****" post earlier, I didn't think it was the place.

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post #35 of 44
1/17/12 at 9:08pm
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Please forgive this furtherance of the ampy digression.

Make no mistake about it, I don't.  But you are obviously not the only compulsive contributor off topic in this thread.

 

 

HE6 threads (and several amp threads) are full of this pointless debate (and it is pointless debate, because everyone is stating their position and no one is shifting) and if any of you think saying the same old things over and over again is going to change peoples opinion, then all power to the deluded. 

 

This is the high end forum, not a noobs first foray into the purchase of an M50 or why are Beats hated so much threads.  I can assure you, people here will be aware of the alleged power requirements or excessive exaggeration debate, which is becoming as regular as "cables and fables" or "massive change during burn in period".  Flex your SPL knowledge in a relevant thread (I suggest one dedicated to the HE6) and debate until the cows come home with those that care to play the pointless game.

Lets just see if grown ups can read an OP, and can then stick to the subject matter.

 

Now that I have got that off my chest, anyone got anything regarding the sound comparison of the HE6, HE500 or LCD2 particularly in relation to the T1?


Edited by Kernmac - 1/17/12 at 9:18pm
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post #36 of 44
1/18/12 at 2:41am

Well if you search the HE-6 thread for T1:
 

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Some comparison of HE-6 to Beyer T1 and Stax SR-407:

 

Treble and midrange:

T1: right tone (to me); most 3D-like and best sound texture; only sounds enclosed when in comparison to HE-6; high resolution and could cause strain with poor recording

407: right tone; least "immediately" impression but it grows on you quick; most effortless and super smooth; high resolution and well extended but not sparky; absolutely no strain even with poor recording

HE-6: when just switch to it, some part of freq band is not quite right; most open in soundstage but focusing is not as good as T1; may sound dull and plain at midrange (even a little veiled or misty) while the high may sound thin; least clear among three; the stain level with poor recording is at middle.

 

Bass:

T1: tightest and impactful but least amount

407: sheer amount is amazing and is deep, but not as tight and impactful as T1

HE-6: more amount than T1 and more impactful than 407. 
 

As you can see, I need some help on the HE-6 system. biggrin.gif  Still, there is certain magic on HE-6 that keep motivate me to discover it.

 

My HE-6 is currently driven by Phoenix + NAD216 (125W/ch).  I can only use 3~6/99 on the volume level with balanced Ref-7 input.

 



 



 

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post #37 of 44
1/18/12 at 3:41am
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Originally Posted by hawkhead View Post

Well if you search the HE-6 thread for T1:
 


Interesting, helpful, thanks.  I have pretty much eliminated the HE6 (rightly or wrongly) as regardless of whether my V200 can drive it to its potential, I would need to change gain when switching to the T1 and this could be avoided with the both the HE500 and LCD2.  Also the more I read, the HE6 seems to be the most familiar to the T1, which is something I would prefer to avoid as I am looking for a contrast in sound; I like variation.  I will never be a one headphone guy.
 

 

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post #38 of 44
1/18/12 at 7:37am
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Originally Posted by Kernmac View Post

Make no mistake about it, I don't.  But you are obviously not the only compulsive contributor off topic in this thread.

 

HE6 threads (and several amp threads) are full of this pointless debate (and it is pointless debate, because everyone is stating their position and no one is shifting) and if any of you think saying the same old things over and over again is going to change peoples opinion, then all power to the deluded. 

 

This is the high end forum, not a noobs first foray into the purchase of an M50 or why are Beats hated so much threads.  I can assure you, people here will be aware of the alleged power requirements or excessive exaggeration debate, which is becoming as regular as "cables and fables" or "massive change during burn in period".  Flex your SPL knowledge in a relevant thread (I suggest one dedicated to the HE6) and debate until the cows come home with those that care to play the pointless game.

Lets just see if grown ups can read an OP, and can then stick to the subject matter.

 

I hope that with time and plenty of therapy you may be able to work through this egregious offense. Some day you'll reach those high-end elysian fields where the elite elders of the headphone kingdom may frolic without being disturbed by deluded freaks who violate thread sanctity and speak of things you may have heard before.

 

I'm out.

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post #39 of 44
1/18/12 at 12:40pm
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I hope that with time and plenty of therapy you may be able to work through this egregious offense. Some day you'll reach those high-end elysian fields where the elite elders of the headphone kingdom may frolic without being disturbed by deluded freaks who violate thread sanctity and speak of things you may have heard before.

 

I'm out.

Another worthless contribution by a self deluded, self proclaimed "elite elder," that seems more obsessed with rambling on with what is important to them rather than having the ability to simply read an OP and stick to the theme. 

Therapy to reach your lofty standards?   LOL.

 

You came, you thread crapped, and if people aren't going to listen to/appreciate you (despite being off topic), you're leaving. Well considering you didn't contribute anything of value to the topic, see ya.


 

 


Edited by Kernmac - 1/22/12 at 6:01pm
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post #40 of 44
1/18/12 at 1:06pm

How important is soundstage to you? That is one place that I have not found the new orthos to hold up to the top of the line dynamics. I think it is the fact that the TOTL dynamics mostly have angled drivers and the orthos do not, but whatever the reason is, no.

 

I was serious about the HD800, better micro-details & transient response than the T1, similar soundstage. The trade off is that they are brighter than the T1. 

T1 is a seriously nice headphone. 


Edited by nikongod - 1/18/12 at 1:08pm
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post #41 of 44
1/18/12 at 1:41pm
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Good point nikongod.

 

Soundstage is important to me, not the be all and end all, but a necessary part of the package.  My ED8 is punchy and offers a pretty good contrast sound to the the T1, however as it is closed (despite S logic) it is more boxed in and lacks "air"; probably its only short coming to me.  I would be disappointed if I ended up with an ortho that didn't present more air than the Edition.  The HD800 seems to be in the same direction as the T1 with seemingly a bigger sound stage and arguably slightly brighter dependent on who you listen to.  As the T1 is spot in in both, to me and my ears, the HD800 is probably off the radar.

 

I have read conflicting views regarding the LCD2 and HE500 sound stage presentations, so views on that would be of value to me.  The LCD2 appears to have the right characteristics to contrast with the T1, but the soundsatge (or lack there of) might be a deal breaker.

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post #42 of 44
1/18/12 at 1:51pm
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Good point nikongod.

 

Soundstage is important to me, not the be all and end all, but a necessary part of the package.  My ED8 is punchy and offers a pretty good contrast sound to the the T1, however as it is closed (despite S logic) it is more boxed in and lacks "air"; probably its only short coming to me.  I would be disappointed if I ended up with an ortho that didn't present more air than the Edition.  The HD800 seems to be in the same direction as the T1 with seemingly a bigger sound stage and arguably slightly brighter dependent on who you listen to.  As the T1 is spot in in both, to me and my ears, the HD800 is probably off the radar.

 

I have read conflicting views regarding the LCD2 and HE500 sound stage presentations, so views on that would be of value to me.  The LCD2 appears to have the right characteristics to contrast with the T1, but the soundsatge (or lack there of) might be a deal breaker.




I think if sound stage and air is important and different than the T1 then any of these orthos will fall short for you. The LCD2R1 I owned had no air and a small soundstage and the HE500 has better soundstage than the HE500 and some air but it could be better with spatial imaging so it falls short on that end. It a nice vocal phone and acoustic and bass hits hard,fast and goes deep.  But I get better soundstage and air with my other two dynaics But they are different from the T1 and I love them for all they do well.

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post #43 of 44
1/18/12 at 3:31pm

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Originally Posted by Frank I View Post

I think if sound stage and air is important and different than the T1 then any of these orthos will fall short for you. The LCD2R1 I owned had no air and a small soundstage and the HE500 has better soundstage than the HE500 and some air but it could be better with spatial imaging so it falls short on that end. It a nice vocal phone and acoustic and bass hits hard,fast and goes deep.  But I get better soundstage and air with my other two dynaics But they are different from the T1 and I love them for all they do well.

 

I'll echo that with my R2, they are no better than the R1 in that department.  But on both LCD-2s, the separation is excellent, and within that small soundstage, things are definitely proportional, so you don't feel claustrophobic or feel like the music is crowded.  All that said however, if air is important to you, then the LCD-2 wouldn't be (in comparison to the other cans).

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post #44 of 44
1/21/12 at 2:19pm

Thanks folks

I just read through this thread, start-to-finish, and learned a lot

Cheers

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