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A few years ago, there weren't HD800 yet, Westone 3 just came out, and there weren't Westone 4 or even Westone UM3X yet of course, I was at a headphone shop and bought the Westone 3. At that time I also auditioned the HD600 and the HD650. I remembered clearly that the the HD650 has a smooth and dark sound, quite similar to the Sennheiser IE8 in sound signature too. I remembered it because I was comparing them head to head to the Westone 3 that I ended up buying. The amp used to drive the HD650 was Beyerdynamic A1. I liked the sound of HD650, and tell myself that someday I would get a pair myself.

 

Fast forward to today. I had the Westone 3 for a few years, I rarely use it, as I find it veiled and muffled. For portable my most often used phone is the Etymotic ER4P which has a reputation of being trebly (although I don't personally find it so). To home use my go to phone is the AKG K501. I think we can establish that I am used to a sound that is generally not considered dark.

 

Today I went to the same shop and had a listen at the HD650 again, with the same amp. I wasn't really planning on trying it, but I want to use it as a baseline for evaluation the LCD2 (and also the HD800, and W3000). To my surprise I find it has quite a splashy treble, and definitely not recessed. I would even say it is on par, if not brighter, than the Westone 3. Which is contrary to my prior conclusion. And also not as smooth as I remembered it.

Thus I wondered, has anything changed with HD650? Did Sennheiser adjusted their house sound? The HD800 itself is a departure from their traditional warm and laid back sound. I googled it and I was led to this thread. Years ago, the HD650's reputation of being dark seemed quite unanimous, but it seems that people think otherwise now?

post #47 of 52
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Originally Posted by Navyblue View Post

Did Sennheiser adjusted their house sound?

 

For shizzle...but looks like is a bit too late now. k701smile.gif maybe in a few years they'll adjust the 800 treble as well.


Edited by Acix - 1/25/12 at 7:16am
post #48 of 52

What do you mean by too late?

post #49 of 52
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Originally Posted by Navyblue View Post

What do you mean by too late?



Too late for me to buy the 650's didn't like them in 2005, and I didn't like them in 2010...and besides Sennheiser already change the house sound with the 800's and maybe continue to do so with the 700's.

post #50 of 52
You won't go seriously wrong with either one. I'd say the HD600, because it's slightly cheaper and less amp dependent than the HD650.
post #51 of 52


 

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Originally Posted by Navyblue View Post

A few years ago, there weren't HD800 yet, Westone 3 just came out, and there weren't Westone 4 or even Westone UM3X yet of course, I was at a headphone shop and bought the Westone 3. At that time I also auditioned the HD600 and the HD650. I remembered clearly that the the HD650 has a smooth and dark sound, quite similar to the Sennheiser IE8 in sound signature too. I remembered it because I was comparing them head to head to the Westone 3 that I ended up buying. The amp used to drive the HD650 was Beyerdynamic A1. I liked the sound of HD650, and tell myself that someday I would get a pair myself.

 

Fast forward to today. I had the Westone 3 for a few years, I rarely use it, as I find it veiled and muffled. For portable my most often used phone is the Etymotic ER4P which has a reputation of being trebly (although I don't personally find it so). To home use my go to phone is the AKG K501. I think we can establish that I am used to a sound that is generally not considered dark.

 

Today I went to the same shop and had a listen at the HD650 again, with the same amp. I wasn't really planning on trying it, but I want to use it as a baseline for evaluation the LCD2 (and also the HD800, and W3000). To my surprise I find it has quite a splashy treble, and definitely not recessed. I would even say it is on par, if not brighter, than the Westone 3. Which is contrary to my prior conclusion. And also not as smooth as I remembered it.

Thus I wondered, has anything changed with HD650? Did Sennheiser adjusted their house sound? The HD800 itself is a departure from their traditional warm and laid back sound. I googled it and I was led to this thread. Years ago, the HD650's reputation of being dark seemed quite unanimous, but it seems that people think otherwise now?


I think a few years ago they updated the drivers in the 600 and 650, which reduces the "veil."

post #52 of 52
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Originally Posted by LithoJazoSphere View Post


 


I think a few years ago they updated the drivers in the 600 and 650, which reduces the "veil."



A few years ago, I was aware of the discussion that the HD650's driver was updated and, if I remember correctly, it made the HD650 sounded more like HD600. At the time, it already took me a few back and forth changing of headphones for me to recognise the difference, even then, it was pretty subtle IMO. I assumed I was listening to the updated version, or may be not.

 

Btw, there was a speculation then that they both uses the same drivers, only the housing differs, has this been debunked/proven?

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